3G4G wrote:PresIke wrote:win of the year for the wiz...tough (probable) loss for an overly complacent team on a streak...
NO!
when i wrote 'probable' i didn't mean i expected us to lose this game, but that we looked like we would lose the game as the 4th quarter transpired.
team was not a team...and wiz were playing their azzes off...especially wall, ariza and nene
gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:Wow, interesting points by Johnson. Melo or Durant for MvP
Magic is the one who suggested we hire Isiah Thomas
He never saw Isiah in that role before, he saw Melo more than enough to make a call.
So both guys get it ahead of Lebron?
no, just edited my post to try to say that. I wouldn't forget about LBJ in the MVP discussion.
But it says something when a guy like Magic Johnson tells us Melo's one of his MVP favorites.
Like it or not, he's there for a reason.
Barkley and stephen a. say it too. Doesn't mean jack
So let me get this straight. An NBA legend (and he's not the only one who said it) and NBA analysts all said Melo's rightfuly in the MVP discussion, but since you don't agree with it it doesn't mean anything?
You honestly think there is any chance Magic isn't going to say Melo isn't a candidate on a MSG broadcast to fans in New York?
He wasn't forced to say anything. Are you seriously trying to find any excuse in order to try to deny the fact that Melo is a legitimate NBA candidate?
For christ sake Knicks fans should be happy about things like these, instead it seems like negativity is the way to go here, and if one doesn't agree he's delusional.
NYKMentality might try "too hard" sometimes to prove a point, but it's only because he's "driven" to do it because of so many negative comments. I don't agree on everything with him, but atleast he knows what it means to be a fan.
I mean c'mon, you got a guy that's playing amazing basketball and is leading this team to their best season in a looooooooong while, and instead of enjoying it and be happy about it people insist on focusing on the negatives like that's "reality".
Just so we're clear, I'm not "attacking" you or anything, I mean you're not the happiest camper on here but you're not as negative as some, I think I can reason with you without "going at it" and that's why I'm saying this. I don't know, I guess I'm just tired of all of this negativity.
this is unnaceptable but the W:L is still 2:1... I'm disappointed but I'm not mad
Worst game of the season. Absolutely no excuse losing to the Wiz, don't care who they have beaten. They had TWELVE WINS coming into tonight's game. They are horrible. There is no excuse losing to this crap team, none.
p.s. on one putback by nene in the 4th off a missed shot, tyson was completely asleep under the boards...he completely failed to block out nene...if he had...our ball...
tyson, for all of his greatness on the boards, and on d, has shown lapses...
i think this was an issue of motivation...
team is overconfident again...
i'm not freaked out about it because we won't do this same crap against good teams, but we also need to find a way to maintain focus...
i fully expect woody to bring this up with the team in the locker room...
this loss might actually be good for us down the road...
NYDiva wrote:Worst game of the season. Absolutely no excuse losing to the Wiz, don't care who they have beaten. They had TWELVE WINS coming into tonight's game. They are horrible. There is no excuse losing to this crap team, none.
Bulls, Clippers, Heat and Thunder are all thinking the same.
Andrew wrote:Started watching in the second half. Not one stas post up. Were there any in the first?
Plenty in the 1st. 2nd half was a mix of Terrible D by stat, tyson and melo. Melo bringing the ball up with Felton on the floor. Melo taking over while everyone stands around. Not posting Amare enough. Not interior D. No transition D and too many open 3's
OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:Wow, interesting points by Johnson. Melo or Durant for MvP
Magic is the one who suggested we hire Isiah Thomas
He never saw Isiah in that role before, he saw Melo more than enough to make a call.
So both guys get it ahead of Lebron?
no, just edited my post to try to say that. I wouldn't forget about LBJ in the MVP discussion.
But it says something when a guy like Magic Johnson tells us Melo's one of his MVP favorites.
Like it or not, he's there for a reason.
Barkley and stephen a. say it too. Doesn't mean jack
So let me get this straight. An NBA legend (and he's not the only one who said it) and NBA analysts all said Melo's rightfuly in the MVP discussion, but since you don't agree with it it doesn't mean anything?
You honestly think there is any chance Magic isn't going to say Melo isn't a candidate on a MSG broadcast to fans in New York?
He wasn't forced to say anything. Are you seriously trying to find any excuse in order to try to deny the fact that Melo is a legitimate NBA candidate?
For christ sake Knicks fans should be happy about things like these, instead it seems like negativity is the way to go here, and if one doesn't agree he's delusional.NYKMentality might try "too hard" sometimes to prove a point, but it's only because he's "driven" to do it because of so many negative comments. I don't agree on everything with him, but atleast he knows what it means to be a fan.
I mean c'mon, you got a guy that's playing amazing basketball and is leading this team to their best season in a looooooooong while, and instead of enjoying it and be happy about it people insist on focusing on the negatives like that's "reality".
Just so we're clear, I'm not "attacking" you or anything, I mean you're not the happiest camper on here but you're not as negative as some, I think I can reason with you without "going at it" and that's why I'm saying this. I don't know, I guess I'm just tired of all of this negativity.
I'd agree with that... I don't see eye-to-eye with guns on key issues here but you certainly can reason with him... I think he's a quality poster (even though he took some Lin-related pot shots at me when I took my Christmas break from this board when it started to get really, really bad)
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:Wow, interesting points by Johnson. Melo or Durant for MvP
Magic is the one who suggested we hire Isiah Thomas
He never saw Isiah in that role before, he saw Melo more than enough to make a call.
So both guys get it ahead of Lebron?
Lebron should win it every year except for when voters get bored.
To be exact, Johnson said its whoever leads their team to a better finish of the season, between Melo and Durant.
What Magic said about MVP--on any level Lebron is the best player and MVP and it really is not close. If anyone thinks so check the PER the guy is a one man wrecking crew and hes shooting in the mid 50= 8 reb 7 as and 27 pts with good D unmatched in todays game.
What exactly were the wiz doing defensively that killed the ball movement, or was it lack of energy. What is woodson doing playing melo so many minutes? 41 per in january. Typically playing the entire second half
BRIGGS wrote:What Magic said about MVP--on any level Lebron is the best player and MVP and it really is not close. If anyone thinks so check the PER the guy is a one man wrecking crew and hes shooting in the mid 50= 8 reb 7 as and 27 pts with good D unmatched in todays game.
he's the best player in the game - no doubt - but I'd give it to Durant. But Melo absolutely deserves to be in the discussion and will probably get more third place votes than any other player, now that Pual has been out with injury
OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:Wow, interesting points by Johnson. Melo or Durant for MvP
Magic is the one who suggested we hire Isiah Thomas
He never saw Isiah in that role before, he saw Melo more than enough to make a call.
So both guys get it ahead of Lebron?
no, just edited my post to try to say that. I wouldn't forget about LBJ in the MVP discussion.
But it says something when a guy like Magic Johnson tells us Melo's one of his MVP favorites.
Like it or not, he's there for a reason.
Barkley and stephen a. say it too. Doesn't mean jack
So let me get this straight. An NBA legend (and he's not the only one who said it) and NBA analysts all said Melo's rightfuly in the MVP discussion, but since you don't agree with it it doesn't mean anything?
You honestly think there is any chance Magic isn't going to say Melo isn't a candidate on a MSG broadcast to fans in New York?
He wasn't forced to say anything. Are you seriously trying to find any excuse in order to try to deny the fact that Melo is a legitimate NBA candidate?
For christ sake Knicks fans should be happy about things like these, instead it seems like negativity is the way to go here, and if one doesn't agree he's delusional.NYKMentality might try "too hard" sometimes to prove a point, but it's only because he's "driven" to do it because of so many negative comments. I don't agree on everything with him, but atleast he knows what it means to be a fan.
I mean c'mon, you got a guy that's playing amazing basketball and is leading this team to their best season in a looooooooong while, and instead of enjoying it and be happy about it people insist on focusing on the negatives like that's "reality".
Just so we're clear, I'm not "attacking" you or anything, I mean you're not the happiest camper on here but you're not as negative as some, I think I can reason with you without "going at it" and that's why I'm saying this. I don't know, I guess I'm just tired of all of this negativity.
You're opinion. Just don't go the way of NYKMental and risk getting banned by getting personal
Andrew wrote:What exactly were the wiz doing defensively that killed the ball movement, or was it lack of energy. What is woodson doing playing melo so many minutes? 41 per in january. Typically playing the entire second half
Needed a better game from Kidd and Shump. When they put Nene on your 3 guard something is wrong. An MVp should be able to take advantage.
NYDiva wrote:Worst game of the season. Absolutely no excuse losing to the Wiz, don't care who they have beaten. They had TWELVE WINS coming into tonight's game. They are horrible. There is no excuse losing to this crap team, none.
Dig a little deeper. With wall back this is a different team and over their last 15 games they have been decent.
BRIGGS wrote:What Magic said about MVP--on any level Lebron is the best player and MVP and it really is not close. If anyone thinks so check the PER the guy is a one man wrecking crew and hes shooting in the mid 50= 8 reb 7 as and 27 pts with good D unmatched in todays game.
LeBron being the best player on the planet is pretty much a foregone conclusion in everybody's mind.
MVP doesn't always reward the best player though, if it did Kobe would've had more than one MVP award.
Me personaly though, I'm tired of LeBron's domination, and although I agree that he's the best, I don't want him to win MVP again, anybody else is a breath of fresh air.
It's become a bit dull in that regard, much like it is with Messi and football. He's clearly the best player and is simply amazing, however I'm also sick of him getting awards every year.
I miss the days when there were several players people could genuinely call "the best" without being laughed at as they'd have something to argue with. At this point LeBron is just unstoppable.
If LeBron had Melo's or Kobe's jumpshot Jordan could just as well hand the title of greatest player ever to him as well.
gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:OGkush121 wrote:Wow, interesting points by Johnson. Melo or Durant for MvP
Magic is the one who suggested we hire Isiah Thomas
He never saw Isiah in that role before, he saw Melo more than enough to make a call.
So both guys get it ahead of Lebron?
no, just edited my post to try to say that. I wouldn't forget about LBJ in the MVP discussion.
But it says something when a guy like Magic Johnson tells us Melo's one of his MVP favorites.
Like it or not, he's there for a reason.
Barkley and stephen a. say it too. Doesn't mean jack
So let me get this straight. An NBA legend (and he's not the only one who said it) and NBA analysts all said Melo's rightfuly in the MVP discussion, but since you don't agree with it it doesn't mean anything?
You honestly think there is any chance Magic isn't going to say Melo isn't a candidate on a MSG broadcast to fans in New York?
He wasn't forced to say anything. Are you seriously trying to find any excuse in order to try to deny the fact that Melo is a legitimate NBA candidate?
For christ sake Knicks fans should be happy about things like these, instead it seems like negativity is the way to go here, and if one doesn't agree he's delusional.NYKMentality might try "too hard" sometimes to prove a point, but it's only because he's "driven" to do it because of so many negative comments. I don't agree on everything with him, but atleast he knows what it means to be a fan.
I mean c'mon, you got a guy that's playing amazing basketball and is leading this team to their best season in a looooooooong while, and instead of enjoying it and be happy about it people insist on focusing on the negatives like that's "reality".
Just so we're clear, I'm not "attacking" you or anything, I mean you're not the happiest camper on here but you're not as negative as some, I think I can reason with you without "going at it" and that's why I'm saying this. I don't know, I guess I'm just tired of all of this negativity.
Your opinion. Just don't go the way of NYKMental and risk getting banned by getting personal
I just don't see why some people just refuse to acknowledge Melo playing at an MVP-level (forggeting about LeBron for a second).
Not looking for excuses or anything, but LeBron is a once in a life time player, comparing anyone to him is simply redundant at this point.
THis just sums up the night: http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=43862&page=#1046668
BTW Melo is playing at an MVP level but the race is clearly Lebron 1 and Durant 2
Knicksfan wrote:You can read it like it is: this teams' overconfidence and lack of respect for opponents is a serious fault that could come back to haunt them.
We have been actually good at beating bad teams and not playing down to the competition. That and the fact that fast PG's are hard to stop AND that Was shot 11 for 20 from 3 land.
ramtour420 wrote:Knicksfan wrote:You can read it like it is: this teams' overconfidence and lack of respect for opponents is a serious fault that could come back to haunt them.
We have been actually good at beating bad teams and not playing down to the competition. That and the fact that fast PG's are hard to stop AND that Was shot 11 for 20 from 3 land.
yeah - that's why I'll label it as unacceptable but not get too bent out of shape about it
