It's easy to be down right now after losing to the Wizzards, Clip joint and the Raptors. However, 32-18 2nd in the East and 2.5 games up on the Nyets in the Atlantic.
We have 32 games to go people and I still believe that we're good for 50+ wins. We have a winning % of .640. If we continue to win at the same clip we're at 52 wins! Granted that our 2nd half schedule is no joke.
It's easy to be down right now but keep the faith people. Teams go through BS stretches like this. We're just going throug it now.I have the utmost faith in coach Woody to right the ship. Heck, if someone told me at the start of the year we would be where we're at I would have jumped for joy.
It's easy to look at the negatives and ignore the positives. I thought this would be a magical year and although being dissapointed at times I still think this year will be magical.
Who's with me?
Team just needs some slightly consistent good guard play. I'm not worried.
What's the goal? If we make it to the 2nd round, that means in three years of Melo-Amare, we would have won 1 playoff series. It's hard to call that a success.
Bonn1997 wrote:What's the goal? If we make it to the 2nd round, that means in three years of Melo-Amare, we would have won 1 playoff series. It's hard to call that a success.
I'm in Yankees mode. Goal is the trophy with the big ball on top. Anything less is a failure. I beleive this team can make it happen. 
Anything can happen in the playoffs.
Remember the Dallas Mavericks. We just need to peak at the right time.
I'm excited yet definitely disappointed with the dropoff. I don't think we're doomed. But this team needs to get their act together. They need some slight offensive adjustments but major defensive changes. Maybe they will rise to the task with the tougher competition ahead or maybe they will fall apart. Either way, I'm interested. This is the best Knicks team in a long damn time! Maybe I got my blinders on but 2nd in the east??? I'm a pretty cynical m'fer but I can't hate on that. Maybe if they're still slumping in a couple weeks I'll hang my head but right now WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
AnubisADL wrote:Anything can happen in the playoffs. Remember the Dallas Mavericks. We just need to peak at the right time.
Dallas really isn't a good example, everyone thinks they came out of nowhere because we were so accustomed to them crashing and burning in the playoffs. But, they won 57 games that year and had a top 10 offense and defense. We're only on pace for 52 wins with a very easy schedule and we have a middle of the pack defense. A better example would be if the Denver Nuggets had won the championship that season. They won 54 games, had the best offense in the league, and a mediocre defense.
VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Anything can happen in the playoffs. Remember the Dallas Mavericks. We just need to peak at the right time.
Dallas really isn't a good example, everyone thinks they came out of nowhere because we were so accustomed to them crashing and burning in the playoffs. But, they won 57 games that year and had a top 10 offense and defense. We're only on pace for 52 wins with a very easy schedule and we have a middle of the pack defense. A better example would be if the Denver Nuggets had won the championship that season. They won 54 games, had the best offense in the league, and a mediocre defense.
Knicks
Score 100.3 PPG #10
Defend at 95.7 PPG #8
Differential +4.6 #5 in the league
#1 in turnovers per game
#2 in the East at 32-18 .640
#6 in the NBA
#17 in rebounding in diff 
If we can tighten up the D and grab those bounds we're golden. Woody will straighten it out. 
CashMoney wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Anything can happen in the playoffs. Remember the Dallas Mavericks. We just need to peak at the right time.
Dallas really isn't a good example, everyone thinks they came out of nowhere because we were so accustomed to them crashing and burning in the playoffs. But, they won 57 games that year and had a top 10 offense and defense. We're only on pace for 52 wins with a very easy schedule and we have a middle of the pack defense. A better example would be if the Denver Nuggets had won the championship that season. They won 54 games, had the best offense in the league, and a mediocre defense.
Knicks
Score 100.3 PPG #10
Defend at 95.7 PPG #8
Differential +4.6 #5 in the league
#1 in turnovers per game
#2 in the East at 32-18 .640
#6 in the NBA
#17 in rebounding in diff
If we can tighten up the D and grab those bounds we're golden...
That means we're golden if a healthy Camby returns and no one else gets injured
CashMoney wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Anything can happen in the playoffs. Remember the Dallas Mavericks. We just need to peak at the right time.
Dallas really isn't a good example, everyone thinks they came out of nowhere because we were so accustomed to them crashing and burning in the playoffs. But, they won 57 games that year and had a top 10 offense and defense. We're only on pace for 52 wins with a very easy schedule and we have a middle of the pack defense. A better example would be if the Denver Nuggets had won the championship that season. They won 54 games, had the best offense in the league, and a mediocre defense.
Knicks
Score 100.3 PPG #10
Defend at 95.7 PPG #8
Differential +4.6 #5 in the league
#1 in turnovers per game
#2 in the East at 32-18 .640
#6 in the NBA
#17 in rebounding in diff
If we can tighten up the D and grab those bounds we're golden. Woody will straighten it out.
Those numbers don't take into account pace. If you take that into account we're 2nd in offense and 16th in defense.
I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.
I don't know does the success(or failures) of your other sports teams change your views on this team? I'm just assuming a number of you guys are either Giants and/or Yanks fans. Does that lead to higher expectations for anyone?
tj23 wrote:I don't know does the success(or failures) of your other sports teams change your views on this team? I'm just assuming a number of you guys are either Giants and/or Yanks fans. Does that lead to higher expectations for anyone?
Good question. I'm a Yanks/Giants fan, but I don't think that really influences the expectations I have for the Knicks. I treat each team separately. So while I expect the Yanks to always be in a position to challenge for a title and am upset at anything less, I do not hold the Knicks to the same standard.
For this current Knicks team, I think they have the talent to get to the East finals, so I would be disappointed with anything less. But I would not be disappointed (maybe "angry" is a better word, because you are always disappointed when your team's season ends) if they lost in the East finals, because to me, that would be a very successful season.
With the current Yankees, by comparison, I am angry already because I feel like management's goals have clearly changed in recent years, with ownership more interested in keeping payroll down that in winning a title. The Yankees market themselves as a team that accepts nothing less than a title every year, but they have not matched this philosophy in putting this team together (just look at our catchers). Of course, the worst is yet to come, because if Yankee fans think this year's team is suspect, just wait till next year, when the new luxury tax rules kick in.
CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.
Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.
I'm positive. I am really enjoying watching the Knicks. As far as I am concerned, the D'Antoni mess didn't really count so this is our first shot at a decent playoff run with Melo.
Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.
Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.
+1 And not only would it be pointless it would be pretty hopeless too. With a veteran team like ours there's very little room for improvement among our current players; a young team like OKC was, and is, their players are still growing and improving while ours pretty much are what they are. Unfortunately, if we're not good enough to be a true contender now, and considering that Dolan will almost certainly not agree to a rebuild, we probably aren't going to be good enough to win a championship at any point through 2020 since most of our core players are almost certainly going to be resigned when they become free agents in a few years.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.
Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.
+1 And not only would it be pointless it would be pretty hopeless too. With a veteran team like ours there's very little room for improvement among our current players; a young team like OKC was, and is, their players are still growing and improving while ours pretty much are what they are. Unfortunately, if we're not good enough to be a true contender now, and considering that Dolan will almost certainly not agree to a rebuild, we probably aren't going to be good enough to win a championship at any point through 2020 since most of our core players are almost certainly going to be resigned when they become free agents in a few years.
I would rather be in the mix then waiting to fulfill potential. OKC got three amazing lottery picks and hit a home run with Durant. The Knicks recent lottery picks were Gallo and Hill. I don't see the argument that the Knicks gave up young players that were going to lead the them to a championship. I think the reality of the Lin poison pill should start to become easier to understand when guys like Harden and Gay are getting dumped because of the new cba. The other big potential guys I hear about are Gallo, Chandler and Moz. Gallo is definitely a starter and maybe more. He is having a really good year and he is staying healthy but that has not been the case for his career. Chandler has been struggling, was a great Knick but at this point he is a rotation guy that might get back to starter status. Moz is a notmucher at this point. Last years youth that left, Fields, Jorts and Jordan have not done much. Fields has a ridiculous contract, has been injured and is job sharing with Alan Anderson. The other two are not in the league.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.
Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.
+1 And not only would it be pointless it would be pretty hopeless too. With a veteran team like ours there's very little room for improvement among our current players; a young team like OKC was, and is, their players are still growing and improving while ours pretty much are what they are. Unfortunately, if we're not good enough to be a true contender now, and considering that Dolan will almost certainly not agree to a rebuild, we probably aren't going to be good enough to win a championship at any point through 2020 since most of our core players are almost certainly going to be resigned when they become free agents in a few years.
I was playing some 2k13 yesterday and when you look at this team on 2k13, it's really REALLY good
CrushAlot wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.
Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.
+1 And not only would it be pointless it would be pretty hopeless too. With a veteran team like ours there's very little room for improvement among our current players; a young team like OKC was, and is, their players are still growing and improving while ours pretty much are what they are. Unfortunately, if we're not good enough to be a true contender now, and considering that Dolan will almost certainly not agree to a rebuild, we probably aren't going to be good enough to win a championship at any point through 2020 since most of our core players are almost certainly going to be resigned when they become free agents in a few years.
I would rather be in the mix then waiting to fulfill potential. OKC got three amazing lottery picks and hit a home run with Durant. The Knicks recent lottery picks were Gallo and Hill. I don't see the argument that the Knicks gave up young players that were going to lead the them to a championship. I think the reality of the Lin poison pill should start to become easier to understand when guys like Harden and Gay are getting dumped because of the new cba. The other big potential guys I hear about are Gallo, Chandler and Moz. Gallo is definitely a starter and maybe more. He is having a really good year and he is staying healthy but that has not been the case for his career. Chandler has been struggling, was a great Knick but at this point he is a rotation guy that might get back to starter status. Moz is a notmucher at this point. Last years youth that left, Fields, Jorts and Jordan have not done much. Fields has a ridiculous contract, has been injured and is job sharing with Alan Anderson. The other two are not in the league.
I'm talking about the entire direction of the team from the past 10 years to the present, not any 1 or 2 transactions like the Melo trade and Lin decision.
CrushAlot wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro
Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.
Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.
+1 And not only would it be pointless it would be pretty hopeless too. With a veteran team like ours there's very little room for improvement among our current players; a young team like OKC was, and is, their players are still growing and improving while ours pretty much are what they are. Unfortunately, if we're not good enough to be a true contender now, and considering that Dolan will almost certainly not agree to a rebuild, we probably aren't going to be good enough to win a championship at any point through 2020 since most of our core players are almost certainly going to be resigned when they become free agents in a few years.
I would rather be in the mix then waiting to fulfill potential. OKC got three amazing lottery picks and hit a home run with Durant. The Knicks recent lottery picks were Gallo and Hill. I don't see the argument that the Knicks gave up young players that were going to lead the them to a championship. I think the reality of the Lin poison pill should start to become easier to understand when guys like Harden and Gay are getting dumped because of the new cba. The other big potential guys I hear about are Gallo, Chandler and Moz. Gallo is definitely a starter and maybe more. He is having a really good year and he is staying healthy but that has not been the case for his career. Chandler has been struggling, was a great Knick but at this point he is a rotation guy that might get back to starter status. Moz is a notmucher at this point. Last years youth that left, Fields, Jorts and Jordan have not done much. Fields has a ridiculous contract, has been injured and is job sharing with Alan Anderson. The other two are not in the league.
Do you know why they were able to get those 3 guys? Because Seattle/OKC actually committed to tanking those years and getting higher draft picks whereas we tried to win games in pointless seasons. Those three years that Seattle/OKC made those picks they finished with 31, 20, and 23 wins; we finished with 33, 23, and 32 wins. In 2007 we, of course, didn't have our own pick so it didn't matter where we finished but take a look at the 2008 and 2009 drafts http://www.basketball-reference.com/draf..., http://www.basketball-reference.com/draf.... The guys picked just ahead of us? Kevin Love and Stephen Curry.
And I didn't believe that those guys we traded were going to carry us to a championship but what we did lose in that trade and in the subsequent decision not to match Lin's deal was opportunity. We are locked into this basic roster for at least the next 2 seasons after this one which is when Amare, Melo, and Tyson expire. But, take a look at the free agents that offseason http://www.hoopsworld.com/2015-nba-free-.... Is there some combination of free agents that year that would make us contenders? Bearing in mind that we would almost certainly have to waive our Bird rights to Amare and either Melo or Tyson in order to sign a big name free agent. And also realizing that we almost certainly wouldn't be able to sign any RFA's, like Kyrie Irving, because their teams would match any contract offer.
In my opinion, even when we'll have the chance to retool in 2015 we won't. Dolan will not allow us to tank for even one season so we should probably expect to see Melo, Tyson, Felton, JR, and maybe Shumpert all wearing orange and blue through 2020. And if that core isn't good enough to win a championship, and I don't believe it is, then we'll have wasted another decade for nothing.
