Knicks · Is Kidd checking out ? (page 2)

RonRon @ 2/23/2013 12:41 PM
Does anyone know under the New CBA, if Kidd does retire after this season, do we get an exemption to use if he retires and if Kidd's salary gets removed from the team salary cap?
I think when Rasheed Wallace retired and Shaq during Boston, in the old CBA, the Celtic's were able to get an exemption but I don't remember if it was half or the same amount they could use to sign a player?
If so, I would hope Kidd calls it quits if his body cannot take the 82 game schedule and become Woodson's assistant coach

We made a huge mistake by NOT keeping Lin, as it is evident now that we need another ball handler/penetrator/facilitator/3pt shooter/and a G that can just stay in front of our their man
Who care's about the 3rd season of Lin's payroll when we could use his abilities for all 3 seasons and why worry about the 3rd year of salary/taxes when we have Dolan's $$$ and were built to win NOW.

VCoug @ 2/23/2013 12:53 PM
RonRon wrote:Does anyone know under the New CBA, if Kidd does retire after this season, do we get an exemption to use if he retires and if Kidd's salary gets removed from the team salary cap?
I think when Rasheed Wallace retired and Shaq during Boston, in the old CBA, the Celtic's were able to get an exemption but I don't remember if it was half or the same amount they could use to sign a player?
If so, I would hope Kidd calls it quits if his body cannot take the 82 game schedule and become Woodson's assistant coach

We made a huge mistake by NOT keeping Lin, as it is evident now that we need another ball handler/penetrator/facilitator/3pt shooter/and a G that can just stay in front of our their man
Who care's about the 3rd season of Lin's payroll when we could use his abilities for all 3 seasons and why worry about the 3rd year of salary/taxes when we have Dolan's $$$ and were built to win NOW.

Short answer: no. Long answer:

61. What are the rules for retired players? What if the player suffers a career-ending injury?

There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 77), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, and can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams. For example, guard Jason Williams signed with the LA Clippers in August 2008, then changed his mind the following month, announcing his retirement. He applied for reinstatement in early 2009, but his request was denied by a vote of 24-6. Williams later signed with the Orlando Magic once the one-year anniversary of his retirement announcement had passed.

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion on the one-year anniversary of the last game in which the player played1. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association. The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary effective:

If the player played 10 or more games1 that season, on the one-year anniversary of the player's last game.
If the player played fewer than 10 games1 that season, 60 days after his last game, or the one-year anniversary of his last game in the previous season, whichever is later.
If the player "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to the team salary when he plays in his 25th game1 in any one season, for any team. This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his previous team unless his comeback is ultimately successful. If the 25th game was a playoff game, then the player's salary is returned to the cap effective on the date of the team's last regular season game (i.e., the returned salary counts toward the luxury tax).

There are a few additional nuances to the salary exclusion:

If the player resumes his career and his salary is returned to the team salary, the team can re-apply for the salary exclusion under the same rules (including the rules for the waiting period).
If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.
If this salary exclusion is granted, the team cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player at any time.
This salary exclusion can be used when a player dies while under contract.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61

playa2 @ 2/23/2013 2:52 PM
knickscity wrote:Cuban was pissed Kidd didn't resign...no need to try to spin.

Dallas knew how keep him fresh...he hasn't played this many minutes in years.

We weren't intending to use him as little as Dallas did they have other young capable guards we don't. This is why Prigioni should play more at the pg position.

Prigioni plays so much better when the bench guys come into the game

Syniko @ 2/23/2013 6:34 PM
knickscity wrote:
Syniko wrote:He wanted Lin, not Felton when he came to New York. The difference between Kidd and Felton is a wide one. Kidd in a mentor position would have suited him fine. He gets to pass on his knowledge to a mirror image of himself in Lin. With Felton, he couldn't do that. Kidd is just wasting away as a Knicks and he's wasting away wondering what the heck happened in the last 2 months.

Kidd/Nash and Parker all have said at one point or another that Lin reminds them of themselves.


Kidd still believes he can play, and he said so when he first came on board, he still believes he can close out games.

Of course Kidd can still play. He is a seasoned veteran after all but like all seasoned veteran, they want to pass on their knowledge to the next future superstar.

3G4G @ 2/23/2013 7:12 PM
The Answer Is Found Here

NYKMentality @ 2/23/2013 7:53 PM
Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?
dk7th @ 2/23/2013 7:58 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

VCoug @ 2/23/2013 8:00 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

Camby had to be signed for 3-4 years, no more or less http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89 but, it's been reported that his final year is only partially guaranteed. My guess with Kidd is that the 3rd year was what convinced him to sign with us over resigning with Dallas.

CrushAlot @ 2/23/2013 8:05 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?
Camby's deal is two years with a small amount guaranteed in year 3 so a sign and trade could be done.
CrushAlot @ 2/23/2013 8:06 PM
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

Did you include the numbers you think Melo should put up tomorrow if he is playing the right way in his text?
dk7th @ 2/23/2013 8:11 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

Did you include the numbers you think Melo should put up tomorrow if he is playing the right way in his text?

i believe i have already answered this question.

colin cowherd pretty much summed things up.

have a listen, it will clear things up for you:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=897...

3G4G @ 2/23/2013 8:16 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

Did you include the numbers you think Melo should put up tomorrow if he is playing the right way in his text?

i believe i have already answered this question.

colin cowherd pretty much summed things up.

have a listen, a will clear things up for you:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=897...


Even Pearl took issue with how Anthony goes about playing the game as an offensive player. He was subtly critical on many occasions. He feels Anthony's offense should come more within a TEAM flow and this will in turn allow him to become more efficient.

dk7th @ 2/23/2013 8:41 PM
3G4G wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

Did you include the numbers you think Melo should put up tomorrow if he is playing the right way in his text?

i believe i have already answered this question.

colin cowherd pretty much summed things up.

have a listen, a will clear things up for you:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=897...


Even Pearl took issue with how Anthony goes about playing the game as an offensive player. He was subtly critical on many occasions. He feels Anthony's offense should come more within a TEAM flow and this will in turn allow him to become more efficient.

he just doesn't know how to play well WITH others let alone play FOR others. cowherd said melo is gifted... but flawed. i agree.

but what is behind his statement?

that's easy: he is stupid, lacks savvy, and is lazy.

it's unavoidable at this point: the knicks as a team are an extension of melo.

Papabear @ 2/23/2013 8:42 PM
3G4G wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

Did you include the numbers you think Melo should put up tomorrow if he is playing the right way in his text?

i believe i have already answered this question.

colin cowherd pretty much summed things up.

have a listen, a will clear things up for you:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=897...


Even Pearl took issue with how Anthony goes about playing the game as an offensive player. He was subtly critical on many occasions. He feels Anthony's offense should come more within a TEAM flow and this will in turn allow him to become more efficient.


Papabear Says

Maybe you have not noticed but there are no shooters on this team. They can't shoot and they can't defemd. Amare has become a nightmare. $100 million 20million per year.

mrKnickShot @ 2/23/2013 8:47 PM
Papabear wrote:
3G4G wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

Did you include the numbers you think Melo should put up tomorrow if he is playing the right way in his text?

i believe i have already answered this question.

colin cowherd pretty much summed things up.

have a listen, a will clear things up for you:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=897...


Even Pearl took issue with how Anthony goes about playing the game as an offensive player. He was subtly critical on many occasions. He feels Anthony's offense should come more within a TEAM flow and this will in turn allow him to become more efficient.


Papabear Says

Maybe you have not noticed but there are no shooters on this team. They can't shoot and they can't defemd. Amare has become a nightmare. $100 million 20million per year.

this is true. but also, the knicks have very few smart players (kidd is not counted since he is a 90 yo drunk)

playa2 @ 2/23/2013 10:36 PM
dk7th wrote:
3G4G wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Since an NBA players contract doesn't vanish due to retiring... Then why would our front office sign both Kidd and Camby to three year deals? We can't trade their contracts and now we're stuck with just about 22 million over the next 3 years with Kidd and Camby combined. I'm not sure who in the front office is responsible for this, but someone needs to start talking. Kidd and Camby for 3 years?

i just texted melo and dolan and i'll get back to you with their response to this very penetrating query of yours

Did you include the numbers you think Melo should put up tomorrow if he is playing the right way in his text?

i believe i have already answered this question.

colin cowherd pretty much summed things up.

have a listen, a will clear things up for you:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=897...


Even Pearl took issue with how Anthony goes about playing the game as an offensive player. He was subtly critical on many occasions. He feels Anthony's offense should come more within a TEAM flow and this will in turn allow him to become more efficient.

he just doesn't know how to play well WITH others let alone play FOR others. cowherd said melo is gifted... but flawed. i agree.

but what is behind his statement?

that's easy: he is stupid, lacks savvy, and is lazy.

it's unavoidable at this point: the knicks as a team are an extension of melo.

Because George Karl couldn't break him in right, into NBA basketball when he came in as a rookie.

AnubisADL @ 2/23/2013 10:52 PM
dk7th is hilarious.

Stay hating on Melo. Melo isn't going ANYWHERE.

Lin and Harden take suspect shots and I don't hear you say a word. Oh they are young.

yellowboy90 @ 2/23/2013 11:00 PM
When the Knicks lose they are an extension of Melo but when they win they are an extension of Kidd and everyone else. Also, when you go to cowherd who lacks knowledge or smarts is that really grounds you want to stand on?
CrushAlot @ 2/23/2013 11:05 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:When the Knicks lose they are an extension of Melo but when they win they are an extension of Kidd and everyone else. Also, when you go to cowherd you lacks knowledge or smarts is that really grounds you want to stand on?
+1 on Cowherd.
VCoug @ 2/23/2013 11:35 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:When the Knicks lose they are an extension of Melo but when they win they are an extension of Kidd and everyone else. Also, when you go to cowherd who lacks knowledge or smarts is that really grounds you want to stand on?

I hate Cowherd but, he was actually pretty good on that program. Trust me, I'm as shocked as anyone but it's true.

playa2 @ 2/24/2013 9:31 PM
People are taking it easy on Kidd, Woody has to realize this isn't a younger JR Smith, who can bounce back from partying or drinking too much booze. This guy has checked out and needs to sit on the end of the bench for now.
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