Knicks · Not to go back and re-visit the actual trade, but lets take a closer look at our team pre-trade. (page 9)
CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
Forget Iverson, in the past 6 years Melo's teams have gone .600 in 59 games without him. Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
Forget Iverson, in the past 6 years Melo's teams have gone .600 in 59 games without him. Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level.
so let me understand ...
So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?
tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
Forget Iverson, in the past 6 years Melo's teams have gone .600 in 59 games without him. Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level.so let me understand ...
So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?
Depends on how you define "top"? All you want to know is what adjective I would use to describe .600 level play over 59 games?
CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?
second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
Forget Iverson, in the past 6 years Melo's teams have gone .600 in 59 games without him. Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level.so let me understand ...
So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?
Depends on how you define "top"? All you want to know is what adjective I would use to describe .600 level play over 59 games?
What does this statement "Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level." infer?
dk7th wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?
second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.
Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.
Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.
CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
you guys focus on that way too much.. any player can carry a team for stretches.. gallo has done it, lawson, miller, iggy, but they do it as a team.. this one player carrying a team as if he is superman is so overplayed.. even dallas with dirk had to have great performances from Terry one game, then chandler, then marion... this idea of a guy just putting a team on his back is getting delusional... those players don't really exist today.. with the exception of maybe lebron and to some degree durant, but even those guys rely heavily on the team concept...
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
Forget Iverson, in the past 6 years Melo's teams have gone .600 in 59 games without him. Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level.so let me understand ...
So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?
Depends on how you define "top"? All you want to know is what adjective I would use to describe .600 level play over 59 games?What does this statement "Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level." infer?
That he's had stronger supporting casts than most superstars.
"Top echelon" could mean "top 1%" or "top 10%" or something else. That's why I wasn't sure what to say.
CashMoney wrote:dk7th wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?
second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.
Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.
Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.
I am a huge steph curry fan, but i don't agree with that at all.. again, you guys keep harping on the game slowing down.. Denver can dictate pace if they want, you act as if slowing down will just affect the nuggets, quite a few teams in the west love to run as well, if they slow it down, then they also are not playing to their strengths as well.. ever consider that?
tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
you guys focus on that way too much.. any player can carry a team for stretches.. gallo has done it, lawson, miller, iggy, but they do it as a team.. this one player carrying a team as if he is superman is so overplayed.. even dallas with dirk had to have great performances from Terry one game, then chandler, then marion... this idea of a guy just putting a team on his back is getting delusional... those players don't really exist today.. with the exception of maybe lebron and to some degree durant, but even those guys rely heavily on the team concept...
We'll find out come playoff time.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
Forget Iverson, in the past 6 years Melo's teams have gone .600 in 59 games without him. Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level.so let me understand ...
So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?
Depends on how you define "top"? All you want to know is what adjective I would use to describe .600 level play over 59 games?What does this statement "Very few "superstars" have had supporting casts strong enough to play at that level." infer?
That he's had stronger supporting casts than most superstars.
"Top echelon" could mean "top 1%" or "top 10%" or something else. That's why I wasn't sure what to say.
Ok "Top echelon"
That is comical
tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:dk7th wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?
second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.
Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.
Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.
I am a huge steph curry fan, but i don't agree with that at all.. again, you guys keep harping on the game slowing down.. Denver can dictate pace if they want, you act as if slowing down will just affect the nuggets, quite a few teams in the west love to run as well, if they slow it down, then they also are not playing to their strengths as well.. ever consider that?
Slowing down won't just affect the Nuggets just feel that it will affect them the most.
mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
hahaha - IVERSON!!
too funny - and predictably inconsistent
hahaha - IVERSON
You mean the IVERSON that averaged 25ppg/7ast/3reb/2stl shot 46%/35%/80% career highs in Denver? You mean that IVERSON. Now take those numbers and stack them against todays comp he'd be in the SCUSSIN right?
Ironic enough the 2yrs Melo played with IVERSON those were Melo's 1st and 3rd best seasons of his career shooting from the floor overall
But since this hurts Melo's stance of actually playing with somebody now it's time to STAMP down Iverson along with all the rest of the players who pose a threat at how good Carmelo has been over the course of his NBA career. As I've maintained and still maintain...... players around Melo make him a better player not the other way around, same goes for Amar'e
Bonn1997 wrote:If it's comical then why did you use the term?
"Top echelon" could mean "top 1%" or "top 10%" or something else. That's why I wasn't sure what to say.
Who introduced this term?
stop dancing
CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:dk7th wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?
second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.
Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.
Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.
I am a huge steph curry fan, but i don't agree with that at all.. again, you guys keep harping on the game slowing down.. Denver can dictate pace if they want, you act as if slowing down will just affect the nuggets, quite a few teams in the west love to run as well, if they slow it down, then they also are not playing to their strengths as well.. ever consider that?Slowing down won't just affect the Nuggets just feel that it will affect them the most.
do you watch denver play.... they run because they create turnovers.. if they can force you to turn the ball over, you won't stop them from running.. they are going to run.. playoffs or not..
CashMoney wrote:dk7th wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Denver is certainly the better team - ones gotta be blind or just silly to not see this.The question / argument is: WHY? What if the Nuggets did not trade Melo, did not let him walk, and actually resigned him??
Lets just say ...
IF THEY had kept him, I doubt you see the same growth from players like lawson.. he was in denver for quite a while, would you expect much to change? just asking....
If they would have kept Melo I honestly believe, with the emergence of Lawson, denver would be BETTER RIGHT NOW. Lawson was able to "grow" because Billups left and created more playing time for him.
This is assuming that they still draft faried (which is still a possibilty since he flew under the radar playing in Morehead St). Don't have Miller (felton trade) and possibly Iggy (contract) but maybe McGee, Koufas and maybe even Chandler.
I think it was just a question of if they want to give Melo that type of contract and lock themselves in,
I don't think Denver would be averse to a max deal with some player, but Melo wasn't it for them, for whatever reason,
They wanted to keep Melo. He forced his way out. Denver would have been happy to keep him.
Thats the way I remember it.
Karl was even upset that Melo wanted to leave...it wasn't until he saw that they were still competitive without him that he changed his tuned.
Point is...Denver with Melo, Fariad & Lawson is a MUCH more dangerous team than Fariad, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler.
and you know this.. how?
carmelo had iverson, a younger camby, a younger kenyon martin, Bird man, he has had talent.. the one constant was first round exits... I don't see how you can say what you said with such surety...
This may be a hard pill to swallow for most, but you are never dangerous to anyone but yourself if carmelo is the "best player" on your team.. you will win some regular season games.. but you won't sniff a ring... heck even second round on a consistent basis.. it sounds harsh, but the proof is there... I am not making this up..
That team faced the same problem the current Nuggets are going to in the West...SUPERIOR TEAMS. The bottom line is the best TEAM wins championships.
I think that this denver team will join the elite in the west very soon.. honestly, I think they can beat any team in the west in a 7 game series with the exception of OKC and the spurs.. but the spurs are aging, which will just leave OKC.... I think the nuggs match up well with everyone else, and they are young and improving.... this is completely different than the very one dimensional and predictable denver teams with carmelo...
IMHO, Denver is built for the regular season. When the D intensifies and you can't run and gun who is the player that can put the team on his back and carry them for stretches? Personally, I'd take the Warriors over the Nuggets.
first off remind me who is the warrior who will be able to "put the team on his back"?
second, defending in the half court becomes a lot tougher in the playoffs, which is why a running team like the nuggets are liable to overcome the playoff-level defenses.
Steph Curry. The dude is better than everyone on the Nuggets.
Games pace slows way down in the playoffs. Nuggets are toast come playoff time.
This statement is so Oscar Meyer
Why do the Nuggets have a better record than the Warriors?
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If it's comical then why did you use the term?"Top echelon" could mean "top 1%" or "top 10%" or something else. That's why I wasn't sure what to say.Who introduced this term?
stop dancing
Are you serious? You introduced the term before I did. Scroll up buddy. I was repeating your term. Your quote:
So you are essentially saying that Melo has been surrounded by the top echelon of supporting casts (for the past 6 years)?
Why don't you stop dancing and actually acknowledge how strong his supporting casts have been? I didn't just make up the number .600.