i may be the only one but I am not that mad at this lose. It just showed me that this team has a little something extra in the tank. Yes, this team is not perfect but this team can go far in the playoffs.
I want to see what Martin can give this team though. It is time to bump the token line ups and start the best players though.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:The Novak stint changed the tenor of the game ...Dude can't guard anyone..
You know the team was +6 with him in the game and -12 with him out?
welcome to the thread Bonn
yes - Novak was great today (based on the BS +/-)
You serious?
Thats what happens when you don't watch the game and watch the boxscore
I watched about 80% of the game (and even posted here during it).
Didn't you even state how +/- is a bad barometer?
You are too funny (in the not funny way)
A barometer is good or bad depending on what it's attempting to measure - it can't be good or bad in a vacuum. (That would be attorney - like black and white thinking!) If the claim is simply "the team got killed when Novak was in" then +/- is the exact stat you would look at (just as a matter of logic) to see what the score was when the player was in.
As explained above, I would never use it above WS, WP or any other validated measure when assessing a player's specific contributions though.
So if Novak was in the game and a non factor while the knicks stinky guards actually knocked down a few shots and made a good run
then
Novak was in the game again and the stinkys missed shots and Novak killed them by him missing wide opens and playing no defense - does not always show up.
reading box scores, I can see how you drum these up - watching momentum change - not a good picture
Should we be playing Novak 40 minutes a game since he is so great in the advanced stats?
Maybe
That's not what's been happening all season. It's the exact opposite coincidentally.
should we start him?
I don't care who starts - total min are what matters. I'd rather see Novak getting more min and Shumpert fewer at SF.
Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
Felton had a nice game?
because he hit 2 4th quarter layups when the game was practically out of reach?
HE SUCKED!!
mrKnickShot wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
Felton had a nice game?
because he hit 2 4th quarter layups when the game was practically out of reach?
HE SUCKED!!
Hey Knickshot Felton sucked...No one else played...
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:The Novak stint changed the tenor of the game ...Dude can't guard anyone..
You know the team was +6 with him in the game and -12 with him out?
welcome to the thread Bonn
yes - Novak was great today (based on the BS +/-)
You serious?
Thats what happens when you don't watch the game and watch the boxscore
I watched about 80% of the game (and even posted here during it).
Didn't you even state how +/- is a bad barometer?
You are too funny (in the not funny way)
A barometer is good or bad depending on what it's attempting to measure - it can't be good or bad in a vacuum. (That would be attorney - like black and white thinking!) If the claim is simply "the team got killed when Novak was in" then +/- is the exact stat you would look at (just as a matter of logic) to see what the score was when the player was in.
As explained above, I would never use it above WS, WP or any other validated measure when assessing a player's specific contributions though.
So if Novak was in the game and a non factor while the knicks stinky guards actually knocked down a few shots and made a good run
then
Novak was in the game again and the stinkys missed shots and Novak killed them by him missing wide opens and playing no defense - does not always show up.
reading box scores, I can see how you drum these up - watching momentum change - not a good picture
Should we be playing Novak 40 minutes a game since he is so great in the advanced stats?
Maybe
That's not what's been happening all season. It's the exact opposite coincidentally.
should we start him?
I don't care who starts - total min are what matters. I'd rather see Novak getting more min and Shumpert fewer at SF.
So you would like to see Novak get 40 minutes a game and you think that the team would be better off because of it?
holfresh wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
Felton had a nice game?
because he hit 2 4th quarter layups when the game was practically out of reach?
HE SUCKED!!
Hey Knickshot Felton sucked...No one else played...
did I not call anyone else out?
Uhh... who is obsessed?
Felton is awesome and you are a fool
Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
IMO it's not Felton, but JR handling the ball too much. I understand we need to stretch things with Prigs hurt, but still. JR is awful at PG.
Also, why do the refs seem to put a limit on Melo and FTs? "WHat he shot how many already ok boys swallow that whistle."
nixluva wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
IMO it's not Felton, but JR handling the ball too much. I understand we need to stretch things with Prigs hurt, but still. JR is awful at PG.
Felton sucks and JR sucks
great!
We are primed
gunsnewing wrote:I hope no one puts this loss solely on Novak. That is Moobyism at its finest as Nalod would say
Not all on Novak but his missing those wide-open shots hurt.
RE: his strong +/-, he must be drawing out the defense which leads to easier opportunities for interior baskets. No matter how much he struggles, the defense is still going to key onto him b/c of his rep.
nixluva wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
IMO it's not Felton, but JR handling the ball too much. I understand we need to stretch things with Prigs hurt, but still. JR is awful at PG.
What happens is that Melo minutes needs to be watch and Martin needs to play more minutes because Melo will need his energy taking extra pg duties. He is and has been one of the better Pnr ball handlers.
mrKnickShot wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
Felton had a nice game?
because he hit 2 4th quarter layups when the game was practically out of reach?
HE SUCKED!!
The game was not out of reach when he hit those shots. To claim anything otherwise is revisionist nonsense. Looking at his stat sheet the numbers are low, so I'll give you that, but I don't remember him hurting us besides that one ridiculous triple-teamed spin lay-up.
To be fare the Heat are better right now. They have full CHEMISTRY with each other and always know what they want to do. We are still trying to figure it out. The Knicks still don't have their rotations down and we don't always have chemistry out there. The Heat are just ahead of the Knicks in terms of their team play. That gives the an advantage late in games. They're able to execute at a higher level.
Big factor in this game was not getting Melo the ball in the 4th and STAT sitting. Tyson Stat Melo should have been out there. I'm losing confidence in Woodson every game. Hope I'm wrong.
mrKnickShot wrote:holfresh wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
Felton had a nice game?
because he hit 2 4th quarter layups when the game was practically out of reach?
HE SUCKED!!
Hey Knickshot Felton sucked...No one else played...
did I not call anyone else out?
Uhh... who is obsessed?
Felton is awesome and you are a fool
No one is saying Felton played great..Im saying there are tons of other reasons we lost...Hell most of the board is saying the same thing...U are the only dude with a bug up your arse about Felton...
NYDiva wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I hope no one puts this loss solely on Novak. That is Moobyism at its finest as Nalod would say
Not all on Novak but his missing those wide-open shots hurt.
RE: his strong +/-, he must be drawing out the defense which leads to easier opportunities for interior baskets. No matter how much he struggles, the defense is still going to key onto him b/c of his rep.
smith took 18 shots and made 5. of those 18 shots 14 shots were beyond the arc. and 0 FTA. what does that tell you?
MSG3 wrote:Big factor in this game was not getting Melo the ball in the 4th and STAT sitting. Tyson Stat Melo should have been out there. I'm losing confidence in Woodson every game. Hope I'm wrong.
No your not, he baffles me at times like crazy, he has a deep bench and plays 8 guys, no prigs, no martin, no camby, and no shump and amare for most of the 4th qtr.
He is still trying to figure his line up out, instead playing according to match ups, which is a luxury when you have a deep bench but he is such a dick when comes to reconizing who to play and when.
nixluva wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
IMO it's not Felton, but JR handling the ball too much. I understand we need to stretch things with Prigs hurt, but still. JR is awful at PG.
Prigs is not hurt. His phatom injury allowed Woodson to move Kidd to the bench. Woodson fears Kidd
dk7th wrote:NYDiva wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I hope no one puts this loss solely on Novak. That is Moobyism at its finest as Nalod would say
Not all on Novak but his missing those wide-open shots hurt.
RE: his strong +/-, he must be drawing out the defense which leads to easier opportunities for interior baskets. No matter how much he struggles, the defense is still going to key onto him b/c of his rep.
smith took 18 shots and made 5. of those 18 shots 14 shots were beyond the arc. and 0 FTA. what does that tell you?
That he's feast or famine per usual. That he's basically an athletic chucker with a low basketball IQ.
Truthfully, the game shouldn't rest in his hands despite his game-winners/clutch baskets. He's too inconsistent in his play & decision-making. Woody should have had Amar'e out there down the stretch.
gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court. And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.
IMO it's not Felton, but JR handling the ball too much. I understand we need to stretch things with Prigs hurt, but still. JR is awful at PG.
Prigs is not hurt. His phatom injury allowed Woodson to move Kidd to the bench. Woodson fears Kidd
Its more like his injury
forced Woodson to move Kidd to the bench. I doubt he really wanted to do it.
