jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
And Tyson has more win shares and a better ws percentage than anyone else on the team. We're really a better team without him, too. We should dump both of them now, while their value is high. Give me draft picks and cap space, or give me death!
I finally see the light!
Yes because every draft pick turns into a star and every team that rebuilds thru the draft becomes a contender soon after.
Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA
Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA
Love the way people post Melo's playoff record with us, as though he should have single handedly beaten the championship Heat (ill Tyson, no Amar'e, no Lin, no Baron Davis, no Shumpert), and the Celtics (no Amar'e, no Billups, nothing else on the roster)- most of the supporting cast he was left with aren't even in the nba anymore, but yeah, if you just post the numbers then it makes him look worse so just hope no one remembers the facts!
I'm not a big fan of Melo, but come on...
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA
Love the way people post Melo's playoff record with us, as though he should have single handedly beaten the championship Heat (ill Tyson, no Amar'e, no Lin, no Baron Davis, no Shumpert), and the Celtics (no Amar'e, no Billups, nothing else on the roster)- most of the supporting cast he was left with aren't even in the nba anymore, but yeah, if you just post the numbers then it makes him look worse so just hope no one remembers the facts!
I'm not a big fan of Melo, but come on...
Yeah Melo was playing all alone for 2 years in a row in the playoffs as a low seed. He needed to score 45 a game for us to even have a chance and be in the game. Can't blame him one bit when Fields, Novak, Douglas, and Bibby are his supporting players.
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA
Love the way people post Melo's playoff record with us, as though he should have single handedly beaten the championship Heat (ill Tyson, no Amar'e, no Lin, no Baron Davis, no Shumpert), and the Celtics (no Amar'e, no Billups, nothing else on the roster)- most of the supporting cast he was left with aren't even in the nba anymore, but yeah, if you just post the numbers then it makes him look worse so just hope no one remembers the facts!
I'm not a big fan of Melo, but come on...
I never said the playoffs were fully his fault. It's a small sample that deserves much less weight than the regular season.
jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA NONE
Fixed.
Yeah, he played in all nine games. NA, none, zero whatever you want to call it.
Bonn1997 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA NONE
Fixed.
Yeah, he played in all nine games. NA, none, zero whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, and the Knicks made it to the playoffs in the last 9 years without Melo zero, none, NA whatever you want to call it.
Context is everything.
With Melo- playoffs, three years in a row and counting.
Without Melo - playoffs - NA
jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA NONE
Fixed.
Yeah, he played in all nine games. NA, none, zero whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, and the Knicks made it to the playoffs in the last 9 years without Melo zero, none, NA whatever you want to call it.
Context is everything.
With Melo- playoffs, three years in a row and counting.
Without Melo - playoffs - NA
Anthony is a player who has proven in his career he will get you to a 50-win season and the 1st round of the playoffs in nearly every year regardless of his supporting cast. Very few players in the league can do that. It is up to us to find supporting players who can help take that next step. I thank him for leading us to the playoffs and fighting when others were hurt. I don't blame him for any losses.
Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA NONE
Fixed.
Yeah, he played in all nine games. NA, none, zero whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, and the Knicks made it to the playoffs in the last 9 years without Melo zero, none, NA whatever you want to call it.
Context is everything.
With Melo- playoffs, three years in a row and counting.
Without Melo - playoffs - NA
Anthony is a player who has proven in his career he will get you to a 50-win season and the 1st round of the playoffs in nearly every year regardless of his supporting cast. Very few players in the league can do that. It is up to us to find supporting players who can help take that next step. I thank him for leading us to the playoffs and fighting when others were hurt. I don't blame him for any losses.
His teams over the past 6 years have also played .600 ball in games he's missed, though (sixty plus games). So getting them to 50 wins isn't saying much.
Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA
I'm in agreement Bonn in....... the totality of the Melo era without him says we're better than 5-5. Sorry I didn't make myself more clear but thanks for your hard work and effort put forth here.
What's our record without Ray and Amar'e?
3G4G wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA
I'm in agreement Bonn in....... the totality of the Melo era without him says we're better than 5-5. Sorry I didn't make myself more clear but thanks for your hard work and effort put forth here.
What's our record without Ray and Amar'e?
6-6 without Ray. I'd like to look into the Amare one when I get a chance. It's not gonna look pretty for Amare though!
The Knicks are playing good basketball despite injuries. We should have beaten OKC that was a tough loss.
Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA NONE
Fixed.
Yeah, he played in all nine games. NA, none, zero whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, and the Knicks made it to the playoffs in the last 9 years without Melo zero, none, NA whatever you want to call it.
Context is everything.
With Melo- playoffs, three years in a row and counting.
Without Melo - playoffs - NA
Anthony is a player who has proven in his career he will get you to a 50-win season and the 1st round of the playoffs in nearly every year regardless of his supporting cast. Very few players in the league can do that. It is up to us to find supporting players who can help take that next step. I thank him for leading us to the playoffs and fighting when others were hurt. I don't blame him for any losses.
His teams over the past 6 years have also played .600 ball in games he's missed, though (sixty plus games). So getting them to 50 wins isn't saying much.
Teams missing superstars still perform well because they are confident and the energy level picks up. You see that with the Celtics now. That is typically a direct effect of the superstar's effect on the culture. With someone like Melo who missed games often, but didn't stay out for long periods of time, those teams typically don't drop in performance in the short term. So it can also be said that those teams were also successful when he missed games because of his overall impact on the team.
Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
And Tyson has more win shares and a better ws percentage than anyone else on the team. We're really a better team without him, too. We should dump both of them now, while their value is high. Give me draft picks and cap space, or give me death!
I finally see the light!
Yes because every draft pick turns into a star and every team that rebuilds thru the draft becomes a contender soon after.
I look on the Sacramento Kings, Detroit Pistons, and Minnesota Timberwolves with envy- I wish we could rebuild with draft picks just like them!
smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
And Tyson has more win shares and a better ws percentage than anyone else on the team. We're really a better team without him, too. We should dump both of them now, while their value is high. Give me draft picks and cap space, or give me death!
I finally see the light!
Yes because every draft pick turns into a star and every team that rebuilds thru the draft becomes a contender soon after.
I look on the Sacramento Kings, Detroit Pistons, and Minnesota Timberwolves with envy- I wish we could rebuild with draft picks just like them!
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Think of the cap space!!! Oh the humanity!
Knixkik wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
Incorrect the totality of the Melo era says we're better....but if you want to hang your hat on the 5-5 for this season go look at what our record is without "Ray Of Nope"
I'm not sure totality says that. Here are the precise #s for era:
Regular season without Melo: 13-9
Regular season with Melo: 76-65
Post-season with Melo: 1-8
Post-season without Melo: NA NONE
Fixed.
Yeah, he played in all nine games. NA, none, zero whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, and the Knicks made it to the playoffs in the last 9 years without Melo zero, none, NA whatever you want to call it.
Context is everything.
With Melo- playoffs, three years in a row and counting.
Without Melo - playoffs - NA
Anthony is a player who has proven in his career he will get you to a 50-win season and the 1st round of the playoffs in nearly every year regardless of his supporting cast. Very few players in the league can do that. It is up to us to find supporting players who can help take that next step. I thank him for leading us to the playoffs and fighting when others were hurt. I don't blame him for any losses.
His teams over the past 6 years have also played .600 ball in games he's missed, though (sixty plus games). So getting them to 50 wins isn't saying much.
Teams missing superstars still perform well because they are confident and the energy level picks up. You see that with the Celtics now. That is typically a direct effect of the superstar's effect on the culture. With someone like Melo who missed games often, but didn't stay out for long periods of time, those teams typically don't drop in performance in the short term. So it can also be said that those teams were also successful when he missed games because of his overall impact on the team.
Or Rondo may be a good but overrated player. Or it may just be a small sample. One case is not compelling evidence. I can just as easily cite how bad the Clippers were without Paul.
The Knicks would've been a playoff team even without the Melo trade. That's not really the point. The point is does having Melo INCREASE your chances in the playoffs. That is what we'll learn this year. Also it's not official that STAT is done. It's more likely but stranger things have happened.
jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:i agree.. Melo isnt that missed. The team isnt as good without him, but everyone tends to play better when he's out of the line up. Kind of a push
Good point. Knicks are 5-5 without and Melo and 33-17 with him....
And Tyson has more win shares and a better ws percentage than anyone else on the team. We're really a better team without him, too. We should dump both of them now, while their value is high. Give me draft picks and cap space, or give me death!
I finally see the light!
Ha, ha, ha. Be careful what you ask for...
