misterearl wrote:Slow Your Cinnamon Rollloweyecue wrote:Excellence? Now we are comparing to Russle's Celtics and Magic's Lakers? Exactly what have the Knicks done? Second in the East? Big Whooopdedo.
First prove you have even the faintest claim to excellence THEN talk about sustaining it.
loweyecue: the comparison was only used to certify 50 wins as a standard of excellence. Mike Woodson needs 6 more wins to get us there for the first time in a dozen years. Before 2000, our beloved Knicks have not had consecutive 50 win seasons since 1991-1994.
Nowhere were the 2013 Knicks put on the same pedestal with those Celtics or Lakers teams. Rather than rushing to judge, you may want to slow down as you read and allow your comprehension skills to breathe.
Can Mike Woodson get 50 wins and replicate that standard for three more years?
BS.
The only reason those teams achieved excellence was because of what they went on to go AFTER their 50 win regular season. 50 wins is NOT a standard of excellence it's BS. And by trying to make it look like we are on the same track that they were you ABSOLUTELY DID COMPARE us to them.
Making arguments you don't fully understand will typically lead to results like this.
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SupremeCommander wrote:Yes
It really is a Yes or No question.
loweyecue wrote:misterearl wrote:Slow Your Cinnamon Rollloweyecue wrote:Excellence? Now we are comparing to Russle's Celtics and Magic's Lakers? Exactly what have the Knicks done? Second in the East? Big Whooopdedo.
First prove you have even the faintest claim to excellence THEN talk about sustaining it.
loweyecue: the comparison was only used to certify 50 wins as a standard of excellence. Mike Woodson needs 6 more wins to get us there for the first time in a dozen years. Before 2000, our beloved Knicks have not had consecutive 50 win seasons since 1991-1994.
Nowhere were the 2013 Knicks put on the same pedestal with those Celtics or Lakers teams. Rather than rushing to judge, you may want to slow down as you read and allow your comprehension skills to breathe.
Can Mike Woodson get 50 wins and replicate that standard for three more years?
BS.
The only reason those teams achieved excellence was because of what they went on to go AFTER their 50 win regular season. 50 wins is NOT a standard of excellence it's BS. And by trying to make it look like we are on the same track that they were you ABSOLUTELY DID COMPARE us to them.
Making arguments you don't fully understand will typically lead to results like this.
BR.
Basketball Reference.
Don't like arguments based on comparisons to proven winners, how about the other side of the equation?
Hawks --> only time they reach the Semis? 50 win seasons 09-10, 93-98, 85-89.
Nets --> only time they win anything? 50 win seasons 73-76, 01-03, won the ABA, went to the Finals.
Cavs --> only time they win anything? 50 win seasons 05-09, went to the Finals and the ECF
Cats --> Number of 50 win seasons? Guess.
Pistons --> 50 win seasons 7 times, won Finals
Warriors --> only 2 50 win seasons. Guess what? only got to the First Round.
Clips --> 2 50 win seasons, only time they made it to the Semis.
Wolves --> 4 50 win seasons, made it to the WCF
Magic --> 7 50 win seasons, made it to the ECF twice, lost Finals.
Suns --> 14 50 win seasons, WCF 4 times, Finals once.
Raptors --> 0 50 win seasons, Semis one time.
Kings --> 5 50 win seasons, WCF once, Semis twice.
Maybe one needs to understand the term "bullshit" before one flings it.
50 wins obviously means something. Winning isn't like a stomach flu. It takes time and it takes doing it long term, like say, sustained over 3 or 4 years.
De nada.
Nalod wrote:a week ago some were calling for his head, questioning his decisions, point to stubbornness, and the end of the world.now we we got Bill Russell and the celtics in a discussion about sustained excellence?
Reasons to be cheerful are the games and the results. Reasons to cloud it are the pathetic state of the conference which is the backbone of the Heats streak. The auto logic is then if we are second seed we should make it to the ECF and that by itself would be grand!
It would. The games are what tells the story. Its a nice improbable w-l record considering the roster and how that translates to the future is anyone's guess. I like winning. Thats enough for me.
The thread starter wasn't one of the usual suspects calling for Woodson's head or jumping off the bandwagon after a bad stretch out west. The usual suspects have been relatively quiet since we went on this win streak (current longest in the league right now) except to take a dump on Melo in that other thread....
jrodmc wrote:loweyecue wrote:misterearl wrote:Slow Your Cinnamon Rollloweyecue wrote:Excellence? Now we are comparing to Russle's Celtics and Magic's Lakers? Exactly what have the Knicks done? Second in the East? Big Whooopdedo.
First prove you have even the faintest claim to excellence THEN talk about sustaining it.
loweyecue: the comparison was only used to certify 50 wins as a standard of excellence. Mike Woodson needs 6 more wins to get us there for the first time in a dozen years. Before 2000, our beloved Knicks have not had consecutive 50 win seasons since 1991-1994.
Nowhere were the 2013 Knicks put on the same pedestal with those Celtics or Lakers teams. Rather than rushing to judge, you may want to slow down as you read and allow your comprehension skills to breathe.
Can Mike Woodson get 50 wins and replicate that standard for three more years?
BS.
The only reason those teams achieved excellence was because of what they went on to go AFTER their 50 win regular season. 50 wins is NOT a standard of excellence it's BS. And by trying to make it look like we are on the same track that they were you ABSOLUTELY DID COMPARE us to them.
Making arguments you don't fully understand will typically lead to results like this.
BR.
Basketball Reference.
Don't like arguments based on comparisons to proven winners, how about the other side of the equation?
Hawks --> only time they reach the Semis? 50 win seasons 09-10, 93-98, 85-89.
Nets --> only time they win anything? 50 win seasons 73-76, 01-03, won the ABA, went to the Finals.
Cavs --> only time they win anything? 50 win seasons 05-09, went to the Finals and the ECF
Cats --> Number of 50 win seasons? Guess.
Pistons --> 50 win seasons 7 times, won Finals
Warriors --> only 2 50 win seasons. Guess what? only got to the First Round.
Clips --> 2 50 win seasons, only time they made it to the Semis.
Wolves --> 4 50 win seasons, made it to the WCF
Magic --> 7 50 win seasons, made it to the ECF twice, lost Finals.
Suns --> 14 50 win seasons, WCF 4 times, Finals once.
Raptors --> 0 50 win seasons, Semis one time.
Kings --> 5 50 win seasons, WCF once, Semis twice.
Maybe one needs to understand the term "bullshit" before one flings it.
50 wins obviously means something. Winning isn't like a stomach flu. It takes time and it takes doing it long term, like say, sustained over 3 or 4 years.
De nada.
Did you look up examles of teams that win 50 games and didnt do Jack Shit? Way to get on your high horse with a confirmation bias.
I called BS because 50 wins was being equated to EXCELLENSE. That may be your standard for it, mine are a somewhat higher.
IronWillGiroud wrote:CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Sustained excellence?They beat the Magic and Raptors, let's cool the jets a little
Also the Jazz. Substitute Nets and Wizards in and this would be called linsanity a year ago
Lol
we're dropping 4 of the next 5 though,
don't see us beating Celtics, Grizz or Heat
How come dudes around here go all Radio Silence, when their Nostradamus type crap is disproven???
ActionJackson wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Sustained excellence?They beat the Magic and Raptors, let's cool the jets a little
Also the Jazz. Substitute Nets and Wizards in and this would be called linsanity a year ago
Lol
we're dropping 4 of the next 5 though,
don't see us beating Celtics, Grizz or Heat
How come dudes around here go all Radio Silence, when their Nostradamus type crap is disproven???
Because it's a little happy blip from a fundamentally flawed team,
they felt like playing a little again, big whoop, the basic problems with leadership and attitude have not changed
IronWillGiroud wrote:Because it's a little happy blip from a fundamentally flawed team,they felt like playing a little again, big whoop, the basic problems with leadership and attitude have not changed
But it still doesnt explain why YOU have to get called out in order to, as they say "Man Up" and admit that your 4 out of 5 prediction was total crap. And you know what if we 50 or so Happy little blips in our Win column at the end of the year something must be right with the leadership & attitude or where you "predicting" that we would go 73-9 & beat the Bulls record if Gallo, Chandler & Moz had stayed.
ActionJackson wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Because it's a little happy blip from a fundamentally flawed team,they felt like playing a little again, big whoop, the basic problems with leadership and attitude have not changed
But it still doesnt explain why YOU have to get called out in order to, as they say "Man Up" and admit that your 4 out of 5 prediction was total crap. And you know what if we 50 or so Happy little blips in our Win column at the end of the year something must be right with the leadership & attitude or where you "predicting" that we would go 73-9 & beat the Bulls record if Gallo, Chandler & Moz had stayed.
I don't have to 'get called out', you're just one guy that's very excited
Make that two
I don't have to 'get called out', you're just one guy that's very excited
Isn't it exciting enough to have a squad that plays imperfectly hard every night... for a consistent coach who defies the second-guessers and trusts his veterans to exemplify accountability?
misterearl wrote:Make that twoI don't have to 'get called out', you're just one guy that's very excited
Isn't it exciting enough to have a squad that plays imperfectly hard every night... for a consistent coach who defies the second-guessers and trusts his veterans to exemplify accountability?
It's all in the context and frame. There are many different types of fans
Context and Frame
IronWillGiroud wrote:It's all in the context and frame. There are many different types of fans
Last time scorebot checked the second quarter frame we were up 22 and our context was within 2 games of going 20 games over .500.
IronWillGiroud wrote:ActionJackson wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Because it's a little happy blip from a fundamentally flawed team,they felt like playing a little again, big whoop, the basic problems with leadership and attitude have not changed
But it still doesnt explain why YOU have to get called out in order to, as they say "Man Up" and admit that your 4 out of 5 prediction was total crap. And you know what if we 50 or so Happy little blips in our Win column at the end of the year something must be right with the leadership & attitude or where you "predicting" that we would go 73-9 & beat the Bulls record if Gallo, Chandler & Moz had stayed.
I don't have to 'get called out', you're just one guy that's very excited
The win streak equaled the linsanity run and this year it is helping the Knicks win the division title.
IronWillGiroud wrote:ActionJackson wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Because it's a little happy blip from a fundamentally flawed team,they felt like playing a little again, big whoop, the basic problems with leadership and attitude have not changed
But it still doesnt explain why YOU have to get called out in order to, as they say "Man Up" and admit that your 4 out of 5 prediction was total crap. And you know what if we 50 or so Happy little blips in our Win column at the end of the year something must be right with the leadership & attitude or where you "predicting" that we would go 73-9 & beat the Bulls record if Gallo, Chandler & Moz had stayed.
I don't have to 'get called out', you're just one guy that's very excited
The win streak equaled the linsanity run and this year it is helping the Knicks win the division title.
IronWillGiroud wrote:I don't have to 'get called out', you're just one guy that's very excited
I may be excited thats what actually liking your team does but the fact remains how come you can't just be "one guy" who has the stones to say "you know what fellas, I WAS WRONG about us losing 4 out of our next 5. I was really hoping we would tank so I could say I told you so because I'm just that sort of self righteous blowhard but in this case I miscalculated the resolve of players who I castigate all the time even though I don't really know them on any real substantive level other than the crap I read on blogs or in bastions of journalism like the NY Post. In the future I'll keep my big yap shut!!!"
7 games
CrushAlot wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:ActionJackson wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Because it's a little happy blip from a fundamentally flawed team,they felt like playing a little again, big whoop, the basic problems with leadership and attitude have not changed
But it still doesnt explain why YOU have to get called out in order to, as they say "Man Up" and admit that your 4 out of 5 prediction was total crap. And you know what if we 50 or so Happy little blips in our Win column at the end of the year something must be right with the leadership & attitude or where you "predicting" that we would go 73-9 & beat the Bulls record if Gallo, Chandler & Moz had stayed.
I don't have to 'get called out', you're just one guy that's very excited
The win streak equaled the linsanity run and this year it is helping the Knicks win the division title.
My Name Is Earl
A morale destroying losing streak.
Major injuries to multiple key stars.
A reserve guard suddenly putting up MVP type numbers.
A surprising seven game winning streak led by some unexpected heroes.
Sound familiar?
- Darwin Kastle
"Anytime you can get 50 wins in a season, it's huge" - Kenyon Martin
On the white board in a back corner of the Knicks' locker room, "50" was written in blue marker, big enough for everyone to see. Under the number was the word "goal" - written in big blue letters. Nothing subtle about it. Rasheed Wallace sent the message by writing it on the white board during the Knicks' win over the Celtics game.
"We came in here and that was up there. Once we were in the huddle and broke (Wallace) kind of stopped everybody and said, 'Hey, the 50's up there' and he explained it. He's right." - Steve Novak
"It means a lot. To have guys out like we do and have guys banged up throughout the year to get a 50-win season is really big and says a lot for our team." - Raymond Felton
It's funny because two weeks ago no one was talking about 50 wins as a potential goal for this team. The Knicks were a mess out West, losers of their first four games on a five-game trip stuck at 38-26. - Ian Begley, ESPN
Funny
