Knicks · We need a younger big man next year we can count on to play 80 games (page 2)
BRIGGS wrote:For next year--if we continue to play a 4-1 the more I think about it--maybe just grab a Dalembart for the 3mm$. He can provide defense rebounding and he can score points(plus unrestricted) So if we can get Dalembart and bring back Kenyon--we should be all set with depth inside if we keep Tyson and Amare comes back. Then we can draft a PG.
Do not be fooled by Dalembert. His stats always look okay but there are reasons why he is hated by sixer fans, and couldn't stick with the Kings, Rockets or Bucks.
Some like Blair would be ideal since he has been in the league awhile and might come at a bargain price if he knows he is going to get minutes.
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need vets. Woodson isnt going to play the young guys with all our veteran front court players.Some like Blair would be ideal since he has been in the league awhile and might come at a bargain price if he knows he is going to get minutes.
The only front court players we have under contract for next season are Tyson, Melo, Amare, and Camby and we clearly can't rely on Amare or Camby. I don't imagine that we'd be bringing back Thomas or Sheed and I don't know if we'll be able to bring back Kenyon. http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-... Looking at that list there are a couple of interesting big men who should be available this Summer; DeJuan Blair and Elton Brand would ideal but there are a couple of other players who would be better than what we have now as well
VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need vets. Woodson isnt going to play the young guys with all our veteran front court players.Some like Blair would be ideal since he has been in the league awhile and might come at a bargain price if he knows he is going to get minutes.
The only front court players we have under contract for next season are Tyson, Melo, Amare, and Camby and we clearly can't rely on Amare or Camby. I don't imagine that we'd be bringing back Thomas or Sheed and I don't know if we'll be able to bring back Kenyon. http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-... Looking at that list there are a couple of interesting big men who should be available this Summer; DeJuan Blair and Elton Brand would ideal but there are a couple of other players who would be better than what we have now as well
Its just a cost thing. We got Smith to worry about. If we lose him we need to use the MLE to bring in backcourt help.
Blair is looking to get a serious pay raise.
Odom, Tolliver, or Clark would be nice pickups as well.
But if we can get him at veteran minimum, it would be a steal, and would be happy to give him a 2 year deal with player option for 2nd
I think we need more PF/C one being a shot blocker/rebounder/defender/ and another being a better post player/scorer/ or/and 3 pt threat
I would love to grab one player that is capable of doing all in one but it just isn't going to happen with a vet min to offer
I think keeping Martin is our #1 priority, possibly even giving him the mini MLE to do so IF we in fact to manage to keep JR Smith *hopefully giving Chris Smith a roster spot would be enough to entice him with what we can offer*
We play much better with Martin with his ability to rotate, play the PnR much more effectively with his speed/athleticism/good cuts/ability to finish/ and more importantly his ability to DEFEND while able to recover with his speed and help at the last second vs a bigger/slower Center
With his speed, he is able to fight for position for rebounding position late, and he does so many things that a 7footer cannot, and it shows when he is on the floor
Like you said, we are just much more balanced with Martin on the floor vs Chandler, and it opens up the driving lanes for JR Smith and whoever, while Martin's fundamental's, speed, athleticism, and IQ/understanding of the game changes our flow to the game
We also need more G/F and F's that are athletic/skilled/3pt shooting/DEFEND at the vet min price like
SF/PF
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Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest *amensty waiting to happen with 100m in payroll for vet min if no one picks him up*
James Johnson *if King's let him go after 2-3 years as a pro*
Hakim Warrick *which I don't know why we still have not picked up to use vs Lebron for this year in play offs*
Anthony Tolliver
Jeff Adrien
Earl Clark wonder what he would get this summer while Lakers seem to be unwilling to add salary when they let Session's walk for nothing which I think could have made their difference in getting in play offs had they kept
G/F
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Brandon Rush *trade for GS with his knee injury could be available for the cheap to clear salary so they can keep Jack since they are about tax paying and small market team* 1year deal and is an expiring
Kyle Korver UFA would give mini MLE if we can keep JR Smith/Martin somehow
Martel Webster
Ginobili i know he is injury prone and old but he is the big name type player that NY always likes to go after towards the end of his career
Tony Allen
PF/C
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Our pick???
Brandon Wright
Josh McRoberts
Chris Johnson *Twolves, super athletic/long/skinny
Blairre
Ivan Johnson
Hiddayi
Odom
MoSgov
Sumuerdo Samuels ex Cav that is also a FA right now that we could use for play offs
C
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JO
Greg Stimensa
Ryan Hollins
Dalembert *like what he brings but depending on who we can keep, I would not be willing to give him more than the vet min in which he will likely earn much more than*
PG/SG
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Randy Foye *especially if JR leaves, but for the vet min not mini MLE, he is only making 2m this year and if JR Smith is gone, he will be able to get a lot PT to showcase for his next contract*
Nate Robinson
any of Spur's backups, Patty Mills/Gary Neal etc
Livingston
love Jack/Bayless but doubt either will be available
PG
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CJ Watson/Lucas *player option*
Washington's backup/ NO backup/ and Clippers backup that was waived by Sixers and picked up by Clippers/training with Cp3 now
Pargo
Jenkin's
*this years pick*
also wonder what Treva Ariza's value is, in which I doubt we can trade for with Camby/Novak and our junk/ OKC's 2nd rounder/ maybe 2018 1st round pick protected top 15
problem is we are over the cap and in the luxury tax that only allows mini MLE/vet min signings/trades *with very limited assets, without S&T's
We don't have much $$$$ we can offer FA's but only the bright lights of NYC to play with Melo and some opportunity to shine if we are unable to keep JR/Martin which could earn them nice contracts this summer with their opportunity they took advantage of
We also need to keep JR Smith/Martin/ and Copeland *not need but a rare player with skills at his size* but for how he is utilized with limited PT, a better defender like Tolliver as a hustle player/10th man + on the bench would probably make much more sense for Woodson and Copeland to go to a team like Spur's
AnubisADL wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need vets. Woodson isnt going to play the young guys with all our veteran front court players.Some like Blair would be ideal since he has been in the league awhile and might come at a bargain price if he knows he is going to get minutes.
The only front court players we have under contract for next season are Tyson, Melo, Amare, and Camby and we clearly can't rely on Amare or Camby. I don't imagine that we'd be bringing back Thomas or Sheed and I don't know if we'll be able to bring back Kenyon. http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-... Looking at that list there are a couple of interesting big men who should be available this Summer; DeJuan Blair and Elton Brand would ideal but there are a couple of other players who would be better than what we have now as well
Its just a cost thing. We got Smith to worry about. If we lose him we need to use the MLE to bring in backcourt help.
Blair is looking to get a serious pay raise.
Odom, Tolliver, or Clark would be nice pickups as well.
Oh yeah, JR has to be priority 1 if/when he opts out this Summer. If it does happen hopefully we just tell him, "Here's what we're legally allowed to offer you, how do you want to handle it?" If he does leave (and if I were him I'd find it really difficult to turn down all the extra money he can get somewhere else) we'd be in trouble. I don't see any replacements that we could sign using the MLE, we can't do sign-and-trades because we're too far over the cap, and we don't really have any trade assets next season.
Blair can look for serious cash all he wants, dude's been buried this year in SAS and is only playing 13 mpg. I'd be pretty shocked if someone gave him more that $3M/year.
I'd have no problem bringing in Odom or Tolliver but it's hard to imagine Odom willingly leaving CA ever again. I know nothing about Clark so I can't really talk about him.
VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need vets. Woodson isnt going to play the young guys with all our veteran front court players.Some like Blair would be ideal since he has been in the league awhile and might come at a bargain price if he knows he is going to get minutes.
The only front court players we have under contract for next season are Tyson, Melo, Amare, and Camby and we clearly can't rely on Amare or Camby.
And Novak. And technically Shumpert is a front-court player right now though he's out of position.
Summary on one of them
Every year their seems to be a kid that comes out nowhere and bursts onto the scene. Last year it was Anthony Davis and this year it is Mitch McGary. McGary, who was not even a starter on his high school team this past season, has a had a great spring and opened eyes around the country with his dominance on the AAU circuit. He is a banger who seeks contact. He has a nice left handed jumper out to 18 feet. He finishes well with both hands around the basket, rebounds both ends at a high rate. He overwhelms you with his sheer physicality and brings his lunch pail to the gym with him. His motor runs hot at all times and he has deceptive athleticism. He can finish over you or through you. He is a tough as nails blue collar type of kid with skill. That combination is hard to find.
You can bet your last money (thank you Don Cornelius) that Chicago native Glen Grunwald has his Indiana spies giving him the inside skinny on 6'10 Mitch McGary of Chesterton, Indiana and Michigan.
PG = let Prigs walk, Pray KIDD retires
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-AJ Price = injury prone jitterbug
-CJ Watson/Lucas *player option* - doubt theyll come here for JUST $3mil
-Draft pick = Carson, pierre jackson or some other the other kids BRIGGS mentioned
SG = im not rushing to sign a SG. Shump must get more mins and i think JR MUST come back
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-Brandon Rush = hopefully we can pick him up cheaply!
-Kyle Korver = id give this guy the $3MLE in a heartbeat. And then id be doing jumping jacks if we acquired him!
-Martel Webster = very solid player. another $3MLE candidate
-Randy Foye = hes a friend of mine and we grew up together. hes a KNICKS fan. but he also has a family and wants MONEY. he would be a $3MLE candidate
-Bayless = young guy with a good future who wants money.
SF = im not rushing here with MELO here
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-James Johnson *if King's let him go after 2-3 years as a pro*
-Anthony Tolliver = VERY underated. id use the $3MLE on him
PF = i think Melos natural position is SF. I wanted a rugged PF to do some dirty work
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-Dante Cunningham = young, works hard and is CHEAP. id use the $3MLE on him
-Brandon Wright = overated draft pick but now hes an underated vet
-Ivan Johnson
-Draft Pick = Cory Jefferson (Baylor)
C = Tyson is starting to break down but we DO still have Camby here. PLus I think Amare will return off the bench
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-Dalembert = another NJ kat who grew up around here (actually haiti) who WANTS to be a knick but money talks! hopefully at this point in his career hell take the mini vet...hes not THAT old yet
misterearl wrote:According to nbadraft.net, there are a dozen prospects that go 6'10+ in this years first roundSummary on one of them
Every year their seems to be a kid that comes out nowhere and bursts onto the scene. Last year it was Anthony Davis and this year it is Mitch McGary. McGary, who was not even a starter on his high school team this past season, has a had a great spring and opened eyes around the country with his dominance on the AAU circuit. He is a banger who seeks contact. He has a nice left handed jumper out to 18 feet. He finishes well with both hands around the basket, rebounds both ends at a high rate. He overwhelms you with his sheer physicality and brings his lunch pail to the gym with him. His motor runs hot at all times and he has deceptive athleticism. He can finish over you or through you. He is a tough as nails blue collar type of kid with skill. That combination is hard to find.
You can bet your last money (thank you Don Cornelius) that Chicago native Glen Grunwald has his Indiana spies giving him the inside skinny on 6'10 Mitch McGary of Chesterton, Indiana and Michigan.
And what are his weaknesses? You've only given us half the report. If this is the whole story he will not fall into the mid-20's for the Knicks.
Strengths = motor, nack for the ball, great rebounder, very athletic
Weaknesses = raw offensively (just putbacks and dunks), HORRBILE freethrows
Overall - cross between josh harrelson (body) and mason plumless (athleticism).
Tyler Hansborough 2.0