Knicks · Revisit the trade with Denver (page 11)

DurzoBlint wrote:

jrodmc wrote:danilo: "we've done less"

not really but, this can't be decided until one team wins a championship. Other than that, then your just arguing which is the more mediocre team.

Yes, really tell me again how many times Melo really never got out of the first round, really. And how that's now the same as going to the second round.
Funny, how that bar moves to suit the argument of the present reality.

It's okay. We all just dancin' to our DNA.

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

jrodmc wrote:danilo: "we've done less"

not really but, this can't be decided until one team wins a championship. Other than that, then your just arguing which is the more mediocre team.

Yeah, it's like the goal of the trade wasn't for us to succeed but was just to outplay Denver. We should have traded with the Bobcats then!

Just a reverse of fortunes of the Knicks and the Nuggicks in playoffs and the debate of who got the better in the trade would be in Neon signs by the usual suspects. You know who you are.

Who cares? That doesn't increase the validity of your argument. At best, your presenting an argument against those posters who specifically wanted to rebuild a team around Gallo and Mozgov, etc., which I don't think is many people here.

You can't win with youth ALONE in NY, We won this trade. The guys we traded, either stayed injured or wasn't that good for the rugged 2nd season called the playoffs.

playa2 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

jrodmc wrote:danilo: "we've done less"

not really but, this can't be decided until one team wins a championship. Other than that, then your just arguing which is the more mediocre team.

Yeah, it's like the goal of the trade wasn't for us to succeed but was just to outplay Denver. We should have traded with the Bobcats then!

Just a reverse of fortunes of the Knicks and the Nuggicks in playoffs and the debate of who got the better in the trade would be in Neon signs by the usual suspects. You know who you are.

Who cares? That doesn't increase the validity of your argument. At best, your presenting an argument against those posters who specifically wanted to rebuild a team around Gallo and Mozgov, etc., which I don't think is many people here.

You can't win with youth ALONE in NY, We won this trade. The guys we traded, either stayed injured or wasn't that good for the rugged 2nd season called the playoffs.

so do you call 31% shooting from your STAR.. good? rofl. playa you consistent step knee deep in the byproduct of your extremely odd post...

playa2 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

jrodmc wrote:danilo: "we've done less"

not really but, this can't be decided until one team wins a championship. Other than that, then your just arguing which is the more mediocre team.

Yeah, it's like the goal of the trade wasn't for us to succeed but was just to outplay Denver. We should have traded with the Bobcats then!

Just a reverse of fortunes of the Knicks and the Nuggicks in playoffs and the debate of who got the better in the trade would be in Neon signs by the usual suspects. You know who you are.

Who cares? That doesn't increase the validity of your argument. At best, your presenting an argument against those posters who specifically wanted to rebuild a team around Gallo and Mozgov, etc., which I don't think is many people here.

You can't win with youth ALONE in NY, We won this trade. The guys we traded, either stayed injured or wasn't that good for the rugged 2nd season called the playoffs.

Was the goal to win the trade or to develop a path towards meaningful achievements?
We may have both won the trade and lost on the chance to build a real contender.
All of your conclusions about what can be done in NY are really conclusions about what can be done under Dolan, Layden, and Isiah, not specifically about what can be done within our geographic region.

jrodmc wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

jrodmc wrote:danilo: "we've done less"

not really but, this can't be decided until one team wins a championship. Other than that, then your just arguing which is the more mediocre team.

Yes, really tell me again how many times Melo really never got out of the first round, really. And how that's now the same as going to the second round.
Funny, how that bar moves to suit the argument of the present reality.

It's okay. We all just dancin' to our DNA.

but that's just it, unless you win it all or consistently get to the finals, no one really remembers you in the greater scheme of things which, is why I said it would be an argument of which is the more mediocre team. 99 stands out in peoples minds because we got to the finals. Does anyone off the top of their heads know what the other teams in the post season were and where they finished. I doubt most will know off the top of their heads because, no one respects the 3rd, 4th and 5th place contestants, just the winner and if your lucky, the runner up.

We arguing:

"Win the battle or win the war"

We argue:

Win the trade based on record or playoff advance.

We still have a no. 1 pick to pay them in I believe 2014 and our second pick this year.

Did we win the trade?

I don't think we "Lost", but Im not sure I can declare a winner yet.

Thread Topics. Reading is Fundamental.

We're built to win now. The Nuggets win now, but are also built "for the future". Future of what? Better mediocrity? Better first round exits?
30 teams. One champion. We hopefully can now at least get our card punched for the dance every year. Remember what that was like? Melo don't know much about not making the playoffs.

STAT said "The Knicks are Back". Apparently, he forgot what we were supposed to get back to. Rebuilt knees being what they are and all, you have to play the games first.

We all remember the '90s, which terminated in the Magical Mystery Tour which has yet to be duplicated.

The past decade, with a few early blips, is better left forgotten, given how it terminated.

Despite all the warm, gooey feelings the yoots provided (while high on some STAT-AT-5) we trade the yoots and picks and even some shekels for the Starphucque deluxe, becuz frankly, everybody's doing it and winning chips too! (The one freak Dallas chip aside). Stat and Melo. That always sounded a little gimpy against LeQ and company, but honestly, what else wasn't? As people are all to quick to point out, this is NYC! And that C means Confetti or You're Nothing! What were we going to do, build a franchise around *gulp* Max Contract Joe Johnson? Don't think so.

So the trade got us where. Here, today. 2nd round. Most current Knick fans were probably trying to figure out how to stay awake in 7th grade geometry class the last time we were in the second round.

Denver traded away Melo and lo and behold, they're in the same place, three seasons later.

Simple math people.

If you don't think the Knicks are much much better NOW because of the trade, or if you can show me in concrete terms NOW, how the Nuggets are much better off NOW (not how they're going to be great in 3 years, maybe) then when the trade occurred, please also let me know when you actually met the invisible spacemen who seeded the planet.

Worldviews. They can be a terrible thing to be tied to.

In other news, Somberism has finally reached double digits in the polls!

jrodmc wrote:Thread Topics. Reading is Fundamental.

We're built to win now. The Nuggets win now, but are also built "for the future". Future of what? Better mediocrity? Better first round exits?
30 teams. One champion. We hopefully can now at least get our card punched for the dance every year. Remember what that was like? Melo don't know much about not making the playoffs.

STAT said "The Knicks are Back". Apparently, he forgot what we were supposed to get back to. Rebuilt knees being what they are and all, you have to play the games first.

We all remember the '90s, which terminated in the Magical Mystery Tour which has yet to be duplicated.

The past decade, with a few early blips, is better left forgotten, given how it terminated.

Despite all the warm, gooey feelings the yoots provided (while high on some STAT-AT-5) we trade the yoots and picks and even some shekels for the Starphucque deluxe, becuz frankly, everybody's doing it and winning chips too! (The one freak Dallas chip aside). Stat and Melo. That always sounded a little gimpy against LeQ and company, but honestly, what else wasn't? As people are all to quick to point out, this is NYC! And that C means Confetti or You're Nothing! What were we going to do, build a franchise around *gulp* Max Contract Joe Johnson? Don't think so.

So the trade got us where. Here, today. 2nd round. Most current Knick fans were probably trying to figure out how to stay awake in 7th grade geometry class the last time we were in the second round.

Denver traded away Melo and lo and behold, they're in the same place, three seasons later.

Simple math people.

If you don't think the Knicks are much much better NOW because of the trade, or if you can show me in concrete terms NOW, how the Nuggets are much better off NOW (not how they're going to be great in 3 years, maybe) then when the trade occurred, please also let me know when you actually met the invisible spacemen who seeded the planet.

Worldviews. They can be a terrible thing to be tied to.

We don't know the future, so "Built for now" is "Now" right?

How wide is our window?

Ny won the trade. A title is not needed to see that.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thread Topics. Reading is Fundamental.

We're built to win now. The Nuggets win now, but are also built "for the future". Future of what? Better mediocrity? Better first round exits?
30 teams. One champion. We hopefully can now at least get our card punched for the dance every year. Remember what that was like? Melo don't know much about not making the playoffs.

STAT said "The Knicks are Back". Apparently, he forgot what we were supposed to get back to. Rebuilt knees being what they are and all, you have to play the games first.

We all remember the '90s, which terminated in the Magical Mystery Tour which has yet to be duplicated.

The past decade, with a few early blips, is better left forgotten, given how it terminated.

Despite all the warm, gooey feelings the yoots provided (while high on some STAT-AT-5) we trade the yoots and picks and even some shekels for the Starphucque deluxe, becuz frankly, everybody's doing it and winning chips too! (The one freak Dallas chip aside). Stat and Melo. That always sounded a little gimpy against LeQ and company, but honestly, what else wasn't? As people are all to quick to point out, this is NYC! And that C means Confetti or You're Nothing! What were we going to do, build a franchise around *gulp* Max Contract Joe Johnson? Don't think so.

So the trade got us where. Here, today. 2nd round. Most current Knick fans were probably trying to figure out how to stay awake in 7th grade geometry class the last time we were in the second round.

Denver traded away Melo and lo and behold, they're in the same place, three seasons later.

Simple math people.

If you don't think the Knicks are much much better NOW because of the trade, or if you can show me in concrete terms NOW, how the Nuggets are much better off NOW (not how they're going to be great in 3 years, maybe) then when the trade occurred, please also let me know when you actually met the invisible spacemen who seeded the planet.

Worldviews. They can be a terrible thing to be tied to.

We don't know the future, so "Built for now" is "Now" right?

How wide is our window?

Welcome to the second round, you don't get here through any window! The door's not that wide, only 8 teams fit through it!

The trade was three years ago. That was then. This is now. Between, we have three playoff appearances when before there were none.

Play the games!

NUPE wrote:Ny won the trade. A title is not needed to see that.

+1

Nobody we traded can do what Melo does at breaking the back of the opponents like he did tonight.

playa2 wrote:Nobody we traded can do what Melo does at breaking the back of the opponents like he did tonight.

Agree and he did it busted up. His performance tonight showed tremendous heart and character.

You can't compare it because look, Knicks play in an easy conference and they had to play a joke team in Boston to get to the second round.

Boston isn't even a playoff team in the West.

Is Boston a playoff team in the West? No. Point proven

IronWillGiroud wrote:You can't compare it because look, Knicks play in an easy conference and they had to play a joke team in Boston to get to the second round.

Boston isn't even a playoff team in the West.

Is Boston a playoff team in the West? No. Point proven

If Denver had to play Boston in the First Round, they would've swept them. Real Talk.

Why is everyone concerned with who "won" the trade? All I know is that I was in favor of the trade then and am happy where my team is today. We got what we wanted and Denver got what they wanted. All I know is that the last time I was able to watch the Knicks in the 2nd round of the playoffs was 13 freakin years ago and the pre-Melo squad wasn't getting there.

CashMoney wrote:Why is everyone concerned with who "won" the trade? All I know is that I was in favor of the trade then and am happy where my team is today. We got what we wanted and Denver got what they wanted. All I know is that the last time I was able to watch the Knicks in the 2nd round of the playoffs was 13 freakin years ago and the pre-Melo squad wasn't getting there.

You can't say the pre-Melo squad would not have gotten there, because no one ever gave the pre-Melo squad a chance to run with the rabbits, so your argument falls to little pieces like a cookie

IronWillGiroud wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Why is everyone concerned with who "won" the trade? All I know is that I was in favor of the trade then and am happy where my team is today. We got what we wanted and Denver got what they wanted. All I know is that the last time I was able to watch the Knicks in the 2nd round of the playoffs was 13 freakin years ago and the pre-Melo squad wasn't getting there.

You can't say the pre-Melo squad would not have gotten there, because no one ever gave the pre-Melo squad a chance to run with the rabbits, so your argument falls to little pieces like a cookie

I think the Pre-Melo squad that was wildly inconsistent and constantly hovering around .500 was going to struggle to get to the second round. That seems like a reasonable assumption particularly since Gallo and Amar'e are pretty much always injured.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Why is everyone concerned with who "won" the trade? All I know is that I was in favor of the trade then and am happy where my team is today. We got what we wanted and Denver got what they wanted. All I know is that the last time I was able to watch the Knicks in the 2nd round of the playoffs was 13 freakin years ago and the pre-Melo squad wasn't getting there.

You can't say the pre-Melo squad would not have gotten there, because no one ever gave the pre-Melo squad a chance to run with the rabbits, so your argument falls to little pieces like a cookie

Sure if that's your take but it's negating that STAT was the centerpiece of that team...you know the guy who can't seem to stay on the floor. Let's add in the injury probe players that are Gallo and Chandler and you see a team that could advance to the 2nd round? Oh let me not forget the monster in the middle THE MOZ whose butt is crazy glued to the bench in the Rockies.

At best we could have been where Denver is today. Then again this thread can be rehashed in 5 years when Melo is 33 and the Nuggets perhaps make a round further than we do.

The problem I have with this thread is where is the line determined as to who won the trade? Is it today, next season, the season after that, 5 years down the line?

NUPE wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Why is everyone concerned with who "won" the trade? All I know is that I was in favor of the trade then and am happy where my team is today. We got what we wanted and Denver got what they wanted. All I know is that the last time I was able to watch the Knicks in the 2nd round of the playoffs was 13 freakin years ago and the pre-Melo squad wasn't getting there.

You can't say the pre-Melo squad would not have gotten there, because no one ever gave the pre-Melo squad a chance to run with the rabbits, so your argument falls to little pieces like a cookie

I think the Pre-Melo squad that was wildly inconsistent and constantly hovering around .500 was going to struggle to get to the second round. That seems like a reasonable assumption particularly since Gallo and Amar'e are pretty much always injured.

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IronWillGiroud wrote:You can't compare it because look, Knicks play in an easy conference and they had to play a joke team in Boston to get to the second round.

Boston isn't even a playoff team in the West.

Is Boston a playoff team in the West? No. Point proven

Why can that context be used when defending Denver but when "The Knicks had injuries the past 2 seasons and Melo couldnt do it by himself" gets said its ignored?