Knicks · Revisit the trade with Denver (page 8)

Bonn1997 wrote:

blow it up is at least suggesting a future path. - Bonn

JROD, Is there any way you can put the full quote in your sig or remove it rather than taking a portion of one sentence of one post out of context? Usually people put quotes from other posters in their sig because they agree with the quote, not because they think it's a "gotcha" moment and are trying to embarrass the other poster. I think your signature is in poor taste.

Bonn, done. Most of the sig lines I bother to read are funny...I don't think anyone particularly agrees with "tummysticks" quotes... but hey, that's just me. I am heartfully sorry for any possible embarrassment.

Please try to realize, I have no taste. I think White Castle is exquisite, fine cuisine. Yoo-hoo is about as close to fine wine as I get. Explains alot, right?

Peace.

Nalod wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Because we have 3 max contacts type tied up and very little maneuvering left. Also, signed old man Kidd and Camby too long. Hopefully, Novak can increase his value at that contract.

The Knuggets meanwhile signed young players entering their prime.

Gallo hopefully will make a good recovery.

Iggy? I like him a lot but Knuggets GM will not overpay for him.

- Knicks are in win now mode. Amare, Chandler, Kidd, Camby expire summer 2015. So I dont see the big deal.

- Denver is going to have to pay Andre now that Gallinari is down. Who are they going to get to run and gun at SG for cheap? JR Smith? They traded Affalo and will have a huge hole at SG and SF if Igoudala walks.

- Denver is paying STARTER money for McGee to come off the bench for LESS THAN 20 MINUTES a game. WTF!

- Paying 6-7 million a year until 2016 for Chandler who stays injured.

- Paying Gallinari 10 million per until 2016 and he stays injured too

- Andre Miller is 34 too and under contract until 2015

Denver has more problems than the Knicks currently.

YOu guys are funny. You keep looking at the pieces individually.

IN fact, one can almost say Denver "gave away melo for basically nothing"!

I mean they got Miller for Felton, and since gallo and chandler are not game changers its like they really don't have much value and they always hurt?

So the trade is so great it was like we got Melo for very little?

Then why the phuck is their record so damn good? And they got picks, expirings, good players which adds up?

Regarding Mcgee:

Mcgee is a "Project". Get him to play the right way in short burts. You can laugh now that he only plays 20 min a game but what his happening in those games? Denver has a better record than us and in a really tough conference.

They see Mcgee as a long term asset with potential who needed to be broken down and rebuilt. When this kid is "Playing right" he is a game changer. I realize some of you are into the instant gradification and thats great. "win now" does not develop like that.

playa2 wrote:George Karl has an easy Job, the fans and the media in Denver will never expect them to win big, the excuse will always be we have good young pieces. Karl doesn't even coach as much, his assistants do. I heard him say that himself on the Jim Rome show.

http://theknickswall.com/2013/04/15/carm...

If we take an NBA snapshot right now, the Carmelo Anthony trade sure looks good for the Knicks.

First, lets review:

The Knicks gave up:

Raymond Felton
Danilo Gallinari
Timofey Mozgov
Anthony Randolph
Wilson Chandler
Eddy Curry
2014 draft pick

They got:

Carmelo Anthony
Renaldo Balkman
Chauncey Billups
Sheldon Williams
Anthony Carter
Corey Brewer

How are these players doing now?

Raymond Felton- At 28, Rays still in his prime. This season hes averaging 14.1 points/game, while shooting 43%FG, 36% on threes and 79% from the line, all of which are above his career averages. His assists are down slightly, but so are his turnovers. The kicker, of course, is that hes doing all this for the Knicks, not the Nuggets. To be fair to the Nuggets, they traded him away for Andre Miller, whos giving them 10 points and 6 assists a game this season.

Danilo Gallinari- The 24 year-old was averaging 16 points and 5 rebounds a game this season, while showing signs that he might have the potential to eventually be an all-star. Unfortunately, he is currently out of the Nuggets lineup with a season ending knee injury.

Timofey Mozgov- The 26 year-old center has been unable to crack the Nuggets rotation, as he averages less than nine minutes a game.

Anthony Randolph- At 23 he still has time to blossom, but like Mozgov hes languishing at the end of the Nuggets bench averaging less than eight minutes a game. In the actual trade he was sent to the Timberwolves, who sent Kosta Koufos to Denver. The 23 year-old Koufos is giving the Nuggets 8 points and 7 rebounds a game.

Wilson Chandler- The 25 year-old Chandler is the actual only member of this trade really contributing to the Nuggets at the moment, putting up 12.5 points and 5 rebounds a game.

Eddy Curry- This was just about his expiring contract. He hasnt played more than 14 games in a season since 2007-2008 and his career seems effectively over.

2014 draft pick- It remains to be seen who this will end up being, but the Nuggets used this pick to help them acquire 29 year-old Andre Iguodala, the one player on their roster whos played in an all-star game (last season) and hes averaging 13 points, 5 assists and 5 rebounds a game.

Carmelo Anthony- At 28 Melos having the best season of his career, averaging a league best 28.7 points a game, along with 7 rebounds a game.

Renaldo Balkman- Out of the NBA.

Chauncey Billups- The 36 year-old is averaging 8 points a game for the Clippers. The Knicks amnestied his contract, which enabled them to sign 30 year-old center Tyson Chandler, who is currently the reigning Defensive Player of the Year and an all-star this season.

Sheldon Williams- Out of the NBA.

Anthony Carter- Out of the NBA.

Corey Brewer- The 26 year-old is back with Denver, where hes averaging 12 points a game.

So, basically, the Knicks ended up with Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler, while the Nuggets have Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov, Miller, Koufos and Iguodala. Both teams are headed to the playoffs this season. With Gallinari out for the season, Denver is currently getting 45 points and 21 rebounds a game from the players they got courtesy of the Knicks. Anthony and Chandler are giving the Knicks 39 points and 18 rebounds a game. While this seems to give the Nuggets a slight edge, you need to consider that Denver is getting that production from a total of five players and NY is getting almost as much from only two players. Both Anthony and Chandler made the all-star game this season and no one from the Nuggets made the Western Conference team.

Quality is a much bigger deal than quantity when it comes to NBA players. Its not like the Knicks are being forced to play with less players than Denver. Players that give you 10 points and 5 rebounds a game are relatively easy to find. NY recently picked Kenyon Martin up off the NBA scrap heap and he averages 7 points and 5 rebounds a game. All-star quality players are obviously a much rarer and more precious commodity in the NBA.

While Denver is obviously hoping to change this, the NBA title has never been won by a team without an all-star player on the roster. Denvers entire roster has one all-star appearance between them. It was made by Iguodala, but it was before he became a Nugget. Anthony and Chandler have seven all-star appearances between them and they were both selected this season.

While this trade looks great for the Knicks, it was good for Denver too. Melo wanted out of Denver, so they had to at least try to get something in return, rather than see him walk at the end of the season and get nothing. The Nuggets currently have five decent players under 30 years old on their roster because of this trade. Miller, Koufos, Chandler, Gallinari and Iguodala are a huge part of the reason theyre going to the playoffs this season and Denver already has more wins this season than their last full season with Melo on their roster. If Gallinari, Koufos or Chandler eventually has a career spike and becomes an all-star, this trade may be one of the best moves theyve ever made, up there with drafting Anthony.

Yet the positive impact in New York has been much greater. In their last full season without Anthony on the roster, they finished 29-53. This season, thanks in large part to Anthonys career year, they already have more than 50 wins and their first Atlantic Division title in almost 20 years.

In a league dominated by superstars, the Knicks found a way to acquire one without having to get lucky in the draft lottery. Since the 1986-87 season, nine different players have won the NBA scoring title. Six of them have helped their team win championships and two of the others, Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, helped their teams reach the finals. There is a very good chance Carmelo Anthony will win the scoring title this season, now lets see if he can help the Knicks make it to the Finals.

Overall, both teams made out, as Denver was able to retool quickly on the fly, and the Knicks received the superstar to hopefully put them over the top.

Denver's had a great season, no doubt, possible coach of the year candidate in George Karl, and young roster built to be competitive for years.

That said, like the tone of article it's "Quality over Quantity". Melo is a once in a lifetime talent. Guys like Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov were easily replaceable. The 2014 pick ended up being a swap for Andre Iguodala. Good 5 tool player, not great in any 1 area, not a superstar. Billups turned into Tyson Chandler.

I was glad when the Knicks pulled the trade back then, even happier now.

ChuckBuck wrote:Good write up on "The Carmelo Anthony Trade"

http://theknickswall.com/2013/04/15/carm...

If we take an NBA snapshot right now, the Carmelo Anthony trade sure looks good for the Knicks.

First, lets review:

The Knicks gave up:

Raymond Felton
Danilo Gallinari
Timofey Mozgov
Anthony Randolph
Wilson Chandler
Eddy Curry
2014 draft pick

They got:

Carmelo Anthony
Renaldo Balkman
Chauncey Billups
Sheldon Williams
Anthony Carter
Corey Brewer

How are these players doing now?

Raymond Felton- At 28, Rays still in his prime. This season hes averaging 14.1 points/game, while shooting 43%FG, 36% on threes and 79% from the line, all of which are above his career averages. His assists are down slightly, but so are his turnovers. The kicker, of course, is that hes doing all this for the Knicks, not the Nuggets. To be fair to the Nuggets, they traded him away for Andre Miller, whos giving them 10 points and 6 assists a game this season.

Danilo Gallinari- The 24 year-old was averaging 16 points and 5 rebounds a game this season, while showing signs that he might have the potential to eventually be an all-star. Unfortunately, he is currently out of the Nuggets lineup with a season ending knee injury.

Timofey Mozgov- The 26 year-old center has been unable to crack the Nuggets rotation, as he averages less than nine minutes a game.

Anthony Randolph- At 23 he still has time to blossom, but like Mozgov hes languishing at the end of the Nuggets bench averaging less than eight minutes a game. In the actual trade he was sent to the Timberwolves, who sent Kosta Koufos to Denver. The 23 year-old Koufos is giving the Nuggets 8 points and 7 rebounds a game.

Wilson Chandler- The 25 year-old Chandler is the actual only member of this trade really contributing to the Nuggets at the moment, putting up 12.5 points and 5 rebounds a game.

Eddy Curry- This was just about his expiring contract. He hasnt played more than 14 games in a season since 2007-2008 and his career seems effectively over.

2014 draft pick- It remains to be seen who this will end up being, but the Nuggets used this pick to help them acquire 29 year-old Andre Iguodala, the one player on their roster whos played in an all-star game (last season) and hes averaging 13 points, 5 assists and 5 rebounds a game.

Carmelo Anthony- At 28 Melos having the best season of his career, averaging a league best 28.7 points a game, along with 7 rebounds a game.

Renaldo Balkman- Out of the NBA.

Chauncey Billups- The 36 year-old is averaging 8 points a game for the Clippers. The Knicks amnestied his contract, which enabled them to sign 30 year-old center Tyson Chandler, who is currently the reigning Defensive Player of the Year and an all-star this season.

Sheldon Williams- Out of the NBA.

Anthony Carter- Out of the NBA.

Corey Brewer- The 26 year-old is back with Denver, where hes averaging 12 points a game.

So, basically, the Knicks ended up with Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler, while the Nuggets have Gallinari, Chandler, Mozgov, Miller, Koufos and Iguodala. Both teams are headed to the playoffs this season. With Gallinari out for the season, Denver is currently getting 45 points and 21 rebounds a game from the players they got courtesy of the Knicks. Anthony and Chandler are giving the Knicks 39 points and 18 rebounds a game. While this seems to give the Nuggets a slight edge, you need to consider that Denver is getting that production from a total of five players and NY is getting almost as much from only two players. Both Anthony and Chandler made the all-star game this season and no one from the Nuggets made the Western Conference team.

Quality is a much bigger deal than quantity when it comes to NBA players. Its not like the Knicks are being forced to play with less players than Denver. Players that give you 10 points and 5 rebounds a game are relatively easy to find. NY recently picked Kenyon Martin up off the NBA scrap heap and he averages 7 points and 5 rebounds a game. All-star quality players are obviously a much rarer and more precious commodity in the NBA.

While Denver is obviously hoping to change this, the NBA title has never been won by a team without an all-star player on the roster. Denvers entire roster has one all-star appearance between them. It was made by Iguodala, but it was before he became a Nugget. Anthony and Chandler have seven all-star appearances between them and they were both selected this season.

While this trade looks great for the Knicks, it was good for Denver too. Melo wanted out of Denver, so they had to at least try to get something in return, rather than see him walk at the end of the season and get nothing. The Nuggets currently have five decent players under 30 years old on their roster because of this trade. Miller, Koufos, Chandler, Gallinari and Iguodala are a huge part of the reason theyre going to the playoffs this season and Denver already has more wins this season than their last full season with Melo on their roster. If Gallinari, Koufos or Chandler eventually has a career spike and becomes an all-star, this trade may be one of the best moves theyve ever made, up there with drafting Anthony.

Yet the positive impact in New York has been much greater. In their last full season without Anthony on the roster, they finished 29-53. This season, thanks in large part to Anthonys career year, they already have more than 50 wins and their first Atlantic Division title in almost 20 years.

In a league dominated by superstars, the Knicks found a way to acquire one without having to get lucky in the draft lottery. Since the 1986-87 season, nine different players have won the NBA scoring title. Six of them have helped their team win championships and two of the others, Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, helped their teams reach the finals. There is a very good chance Carmelo Anthony will win the scoring title this season, now lets see if he can help the Knicks make it to the Finals.

Overall, both teams made out, as Denver was able to retool quickly on the fly, and the Knicks received the superstar to hopefully put them over the top.

Denver's had a great season, no doubt, possible coach of the year candidate in George Karl, and young roster built to be competitive for years.

That said, like the tone of article it's "Quality over Quantity". Melo is a once in a lifetime talent. Guys like Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov were easily replaceable. The 2014 pick ended up being a swap for Andre Iguodala. Good 5 tool player, not great in any 1 area, not a superstar. Billups turned into Tyson Chandler.

I was glad when the Knicks pulled the trade back then, even happier now.

ehhh... it's all hooey unless the knicks make it further in the playoffs than the nuggets this season-- and they look like they can and will. still, until then....

verstatile/skilled/athletic G/F/PF

his DEF/REBOUNDING is greatly missed

Ability to do a little of everything from penetrate off the dribble, post up, fast breaks, rebound, defend multiple positions *especially a body on Lebron*
He is a mold of Gereld Wallace/Shawn Marion and would be a great fit
Can play a starter role or a bench role and makes us very hard to defend while improving our DEF
Can initiate a fast break and finish as well

If we still had Wilson Chandler, I think it greatly increases our chances in competing for a ring, with his ability to defend Lebron/Durant
We simply do not have any real SF/PF's outside of Melo and he does not do a good job defender shooters, as he can use his strength near the basket
While Chandler is the much better defender vs Melo and could do all the dirty work with a bit of everything, playing a Battier type role with more skill

I would give up the rights to this years draft pick in a package for Wilson Chandler but with Gallo out, Denver is unlikely to make such a deal
Especially since Chandler's contract is not constructed without being over paid and a TEAM Option for his final year

He is NOT a role player and is NOT a Star but he would be a huge piece to have that would put us over the top

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

Maybe it's just because STAT has such an albatross contract that I'd wish we had reconsidered now. Tyson or no Tyson.

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

You keep saying that. Who are you talking about? It's odd because I haven't seen you here that much.

I smell a conspiracy?

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

You keep saying that. Who are you talking about? It's odd because I haven't seen you here that much.

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

You keep saying that. Who are you talking about? It's odd because I haven't seen you here that much.

C'mon...you really dont know?

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

You keep saying that. Who are you talking about? It's odd because I haven't seen you here that much.

C'mon...you really dont know?

Other than TKF, I have no idea. (And 1 poster hardly justifies an across-the-board generalization.)

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

You keep saying that. Who are you talking about? It's odd because I haven't seen you here that much.

C'mon...you really dont know?

Other than TKF, I have no idea. (And 1 poster hardly justifies an across-the-board generalization.)

Its not a generalization. He specifically said one super gallo whore.

Exciting finish. Refs tried to give game to Milwaukee. Elis hits a 4 point play on a bad call.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

LOL.... "the streak"... dude I have been MIA a while....

gallo whore.. lol

does that make you a melo freak?

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

Let's visit Nalod and help him build a new "FENCE' for the playoffs.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets revisit it every day.

No fun because the guys that kept this thread going when we were struggling are NO WHERE to be found. There is one SUPER GALLO whore who has been mia during the win streak but, he showed his ass up to post after we lost to Chicago.

You keep saying that. Who are you talking about? It's odd because I haven't seen you here that much.

my Pops just passed away after losing his fight with Kidney disease. It wasn't a quick thing but, I feel blessed that I had the chance to run up to New York and spend the last couple of weeks with him. So, no, you haven't seen me around Here much.