Knicks · Melo = Scoring champ (page 3)

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

To what extent did he do this, this yr?

the last 6-10 games or so, he's been around 50% or something. His efficiency of late has been pretty unreal in April.

Well you can henpeck any 6-10 game stretch and say he did this. Overall he did not for the season in comparison to his others.

He simply had his second highest VOLUME of his career, which predominantly propelled him to this accomplishment.

Melo was 3rd overall in FGA on the season only behind AchillesBe and ChuckBrick and averaged almost 2FGA more/gm than AchillesBe and ChuckBrick almost 5FGA more than Durant....

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

blkexec wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

blkexec wrote:

callmened wrote:KDurant will NOT play tonight.

congrats...now lets keep it up for the playoffs

Good...now Melo can sit his azz down and take some bully ball drugs.

We need him healthy if we plan to win it all.....

The NBA championship will be the Eastern Conference finals Champ.....

??isn't Melo already doing what you suggest

Not if Durrant was playing....Melo would've put in 30 plus minutes today, just to get that scoring title....and limp into the playoffs.

Now is has more time to rest.

if that's the case, why did he sit out the last game knowing Durant was playing? Your theory either doesn't work or, I'm missing something.

Because he essentially would have had to put together back-to-back 50pt gms.

I still don't get it. IF Durant would need like two 50pt games, then Why would you say what you did above? I put the part in question in Bold.

The title was locked up about a week ago is what I'm getting at. If in Question as in it was a dead heat today, they'd probably both be playing.

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

To what extent did he do this, this yr?

the last 6-10 games or so, he's been around 50% or something. His efficiency of late has been pretty unreal in April.

Well you can henpeck any 6-10 game stretch and say he did this. Overall he did not for the season in comparison to his others.

He simply had his second highest VOLUME of his career, which predominantly propelled him to this accomplishment.

Melo was 3rd overall in FGA on the season only behind AchillesBe and ChuckBrick and averaged almost 2FGA more/gm than AchillesBe and ChuckBrick almost 5FGA more than Durant....

Don't forget KD had 238 FT attempts than Melobrickbe!

That's almost as absurd as Lebron getting no foul calls in that insane stretch in the beginning of the season.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

High PPG means you are scoring a lot of points. It doesn't mean you are achieving what really matters: helping your team score a lot of points. The latter depends on how efficient you are. Hopefully those players busting their asses care about the latter, not the former.

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

To what extent did he do this, this yr?

the last 6-10 games or so, he's been around 50% or something. His efficiency of late has been pretty unreal in April.

Well you can henpeck any 6-10 game stretch and say he did this. Overall he did not for the season in comparison to his others.

He simply had his second highest VOLUME of his career, which predominantly propelled him to this accomplishment.

Melo was 3rd overall in FGA on the season only behind AchillesBe and ChuckBrick and averaged almost 2FGA more/gm than AchillesBe and ChuckBrick almost 5FGA more than Durant....

Don't forget KD had 238 FT attempts than Melobrickbe!

That's almost as absurd as Lebron getting no foul calls in that insane stretch in the beginning of the season.

Which only suggest had Durant been afforded the oppo to shoot 5 more times a game....he would have not only increased his potential scoring average but he would have shot 1trillion more free throws.

Harden led the league in FTA and I'd wager he's next in line for Scoring Title

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

To what extent did he do this, this yr?

the last 6-10 games or so, he's been around 50% or something. His efficiency of late has been pretty unreal in April.

Well you can henpeck any 6-10 game stretch and say he did this. Overall he did not for the season in comparison to his others.

He simply had his second highest VOLUME of his career, which predominantly propelled him to this accomplishment.

Melo was 3rd overall in FGA on the season only behind AchillesBe and ChuckBrick and averaged almost 2FGA more/gm than AchillesBe and ChuckBrick almost 5FGA more than Durant....

Don't forget KD had 238 FT attempts than Melobrickbe!

That's almost as absurd as Lebron getting no foul calls in that insane stretch in the beginning of the season.

Which only suggest had Durant been afforded the oppo to shoot 5 more times a game....he would have not only increased his potential scoring average but he would have shot 1trillion more free throws.

Harden led the league in FTA and I'd wager he's next in line for Scoring Title

KD's great and all, and I respect the hell out of the .50, .40, .90 argument and rounding out his all around game, but something about his offensive game just turns me off.

Like he flails his long ass skinny arms and legs a little and gets the benefit of the calls all the time, like Reggie Miller-ish.

Gets on my nerves.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

No ones all geeked up over a scoring title... but what I said stands. This year team has accomplished a number of things that has taken us over 20 years to achieve and some of you guys still complaining because oh ... it's not a championship. So question do you guys give credit to your son/daughters for making the honor roll or getting good grades despite not being valedictorian?

It's okay to give props and congratulate people on things that they accomplish, and that's why I say this are some real hating comments.

And honestly, No matter how good we do in the post season, some of you will still have an issue... but whatever. AGAIN Congrats to The Knicks and our "FANS" on a good regular season. Now let's get ready to make a playoff run.

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

jrodmc wrote:"Look at Melo, he doesn't have any cool patches on his warmup!"
"Oh, look Melo's got a stupid patch on his warmup!"

"How dare ye mention Melo in the same breath as Ewing!"
"Division Title? You're just as meaningless as Ewing was Melo!"

The Somber-tics have spoken! Please, bring them a goblet of something meaningful!

Screw them! CONGRATS TO MELO FOR THE SCORING TITLE AND THE ATLANTIC DIVISION TITLE!!!!!

Exactly, people act like it wasn't 13 years + that we had won the Division Title... like the last scoring champ the knicks had wasn't 28 years ago... complete BS to just dismiss this years accomplishments for this team and Melo

this team hasn't won a title in 40 years why so much emphasis on scoring title?.. if some people are not impressed then so be it...

The lack of being impressed has nothing to do with the Knicks recent string of unsuccessful seasons....but has everything to do with personal likes and dislikes, I.E. those who are Sh*ting on Melo's accomplishments do not like him (period). You guys were clear with your dislikes of Melo in the past, why sugar-coat it now?

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dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

How do you go about WINNING though? Don't you have to score more than the opposition to win?

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

LOL. You said it better than I did.

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

LOL. You said it better than I did.

What did he say exactly? I didn't get it. There was no explanation.

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

How do you go about WINNING though? Don't you have to do score more than the opposition to win?

Or do you have to hold your opponent to fewer points than you put up?
Regardless, you are confounding team with individual scoring. I don't really think you mean what you're saying. Guys like Chris Paul or Steve Nash in his prime would be just mediocre players since their PPG is mediocre.

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

To what extent did he do this, this yr?

the last 6-10 games or so, he's been around 50% or something. His efficiency of late has been pretty unreal in April.

Well you can henpeck any 6-10 game stretch and say he did this. Overall he did not for the season in comparison to his others.

He simply had his second highest VOLUME of his career, which predominantly propelled him to this accomplishment.

Melo was 3rd overall in FGA on the season only behind AchillesBe and ChuckBrick and averaged almost 2FGA more/gm than AchillesBe and ChuckBrick almost 5FGA more than Durant....

Don't forget KD had 238 FT attempts than Melobrickbe!

That's almost as absurd as Lebron getting no foul calls in that insane stretch in the beginning of the season.

Makes sense, so far Durant played in 81 games, Melo 69 games.

Kid had a great season! Don't know why some are down on it and why others have to sell it?

Proof was on the court!

Anybody else and its an accomplishment. Its Melo and its a controversy.

Funny world.

Melo had the kind of season many dream, including us fans. He scored because we needed him to score, but he backed up his comments about sharing the ball more and doing more on the court. He rebounded. He defended like we hadn't seen him do for an extended period. He passed well and kept the ball moving. He was a leader when we got many injuries and struggled.

The guy came from the Olympics motivated and carried that to an amazing season. Only a surreal season by LeBron keeps Melo from seriously being an MVP possible winner.

I think that any accomplishment that celebrates the amazing season this man has had is worth cheering up.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

How do you go about WINNING though? Don't you have to do score more than the opposition to win?

Or do you have to hold your opponent to fewer points than you put up?
Regardless, you are confounding team with individual scoring. I don't really think you mean what you're saying. Guys like Chris Paul or Steve Nash in his prime would be just mediocre players since their PPG is mediocre.

Uhh, you still have to score more than the opponent. No way the Bull's of the 90s, defensive juggernauts as they were, win without MJ pouring 30+ a game.

Lakers needed either Shaq or Kobe to pour in 30+ a game to win.

Guys like Chris Paul and Steve Nash are great great players, they've just never been matched with their scoring machine counterpart, apologies to Griffin and Amare.

Can't remember a recent championship team that didn't have an individual that went absolutely nuts in the NBA Finals.

Maybe 2004 when Chauncey won Finals MVP with a modest 21 pts average?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

How do you go about WINNING though? Don't you have to do score more than the opposition to win?

Or do you have to hold your opponent to fewer points than you put up?
Regardless, you are confounding team with individual scoring. I don't really think you mean what you're saying. Guys like Chris Paul or Steve Nash in his prime would be just mediocre players since their PPG is mediocre.

Uhh, you still have to score more than the opponent. No way the Bull's of the 90s, defensive juggernauts as they were, win without MJ pouring 30+ a game.

Lakers needed either Shaq or Kobe to pour in 30+ a game to win.

Guys like Chris Paul and Steve Nash are great great players, they've just never been matched with their scoring machine counterpart, apologies to Griffin and Amare.

Can't remember a recent championship team that didn't have an individual that went absolutely nuts in the NBA Finals.

Maybe 2004 when Chauncey won Finals MVP with a modest 21 pts average?

Bad teams, great teams, and teams every where in between have had plenty of high PPG players. The better teams have a lot of efficient scorers (and players who contribute in many other ways).

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

How do you go about WINNING though? Don't you have to do score more than the opposition to win?

Or do you have to hold your opponent to fewer points than you put up?
Regardless, you are confounding team with individual scoring. I don't really think you mean what you're saying. Guys like Chris Paul or Steve Nash in his prime would be just mediocre players since their PPG is mediocre.

Uhh, you still have to score more than the opponent. No way the Bull's of the 90s, defensive juggernauts as they were, win without MJ pouring 30+ a game.

Lakers needed either Shaq or Kobe to pour in 30+ a game to win.

Guys like Chris Paul and Steve Nash are great great players, they've just never been matched with their scoring machine counterpart, apologies to Griffin and Amare.

Can't remember a recent championship team that didn't have an individual that went absolutely nuts in the NBA Finals.

Maybe 2004 when Chauncey won Finals MVP with a modest 21 pts average?

Bad teams, great teams, and teams every where in between have had plenty of high PPG players. The better teams have a lot of efficient scorers (and players who contribute in many other ways).

Some examples Bonn?

Every Championship Team I can think of had an epic performance by a player scoring wise except Chauncey Billups.

Lebron, Dirk, Wade, Olajuwon, Kobe, Shaq, Tony Parker, TD, Jordan, Isiah THomas...mind's drawing a blank.

You got any examples for me? Probably not.

Knicksfan wrote:Anybody else and its an accomplishment. Its Melo and its a controversy.

Funny world.

Melo had the kind of season many dream, including us fans. He scored because we needed him to score, but he backed up his comments about sharing the ball more and doing more on the court. He rebounded. He defended like we hadn't seen him do for an extended period. He passed well and kept the ball moving. He was a leader when we got many injuries and struggled.

The guy came from the Olympics motivated and carried that to an amazing season. Only a surreal season by LeBron keeps Melo from seriously being an MVP possible winner.

I think that any accomplishment that celebrates the amazing season this man has had is worth cheering up.

If KD had won it again it would have been a major accomplishment only to the degree he would have done it 4 times straight. Matter of fact Durant won it 3 times straight and Knicks fans still felt Melo>>>>>>Durant overall as a player.

So keep this in perspective, it's relevance overall as Melo embarks on his 1st scoring title

Ask yourself how often do you think about who the scoring champ is at season's end? I'd wager most fans are interested in this accomplishment the least, except if the player is on your team. Laker fans last year looked at it as no big deal when Kobe said Durant could have it and they are some of the most Hero Worshipping fans in all of sports.

But now Melo can be referred, to a very small degree as BEST PURE SCORER(although it wasn't that efficient of a season) in comparison to his other seasons

Funny how Melo is the Scoring Champ but Durant had a more rare Historic Season

MELO IS GOING TO HOIST THAT SCORING TITLE ALL THE WAY TO THE GREATEST KNICK EVER BANK!!!!!

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He'll get credit from the skeptics if or when he achieves something that they care about - high PPG isn't one of them.

Good Lord - not even a tip of the cap, eh?

PPG is unimportant. I give him credit for improving his scoring efficiency, though - that is something that merits praise.

Tell that to Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Rick Barry, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tiny Archibald, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Shaquille O'Neal

What do you mean? I don't remember any of them bragging about their PPG

Huh?

Who said anything about bragging?

Scoring title is a pretty significant career accomplishment. Tell David Robinson a scoring title didn't mean anything when he poured in 71 points on the last game of the season to surpass Shaquille O'Neal in 1994.

What's the object of Basketball? To put the ball in the hoop!

Tell these players that bust their ass day in and day out through the offseason, through training camp, through a rigirous regular season that a scoring title means nothing.

So yea...I think PPG is a little more than unimportant Bonn. Maybe take a walk some where and get some fresh air.

the object of basketball is to WIN

How do you go about WINNING though? Don't you have to score more than the opposition to win?

the old "outscoring" proposition made famous by your favorite coach mike d'antoni?

yeah that's one way to look at it.

after all he was a nash nose gash and a multiple player suspension away from reaching the finals with that approach, as improbable as that was. a prime nash is not to be fucked with but popovich made sure that he was fucked with so there you go.

i still maintain it's not THAT you win it's HOW you win.

bottom line? winning involves players meshing their skills on offense and working their asses off on defense.

scoring does not mean much if you don't contribute to synergy.

van gundy distinguishes among playing ALONGSIDE others, playing WITH others, and playing FOR others.

a scoring title is simply the most individual accomplishment there is in basketball, and does not necessarily coincide with selfishness.

melo raised his efficiency this season to its 3rd highest. this is good-- for him, that is-- but not elite. 58%TS and above is elite.

melo had the ball in his hands the most ever in his career for a 35.6 USG. this is bad. also he shot the ball over 22 times a game, the 2nd highest of his career.

all this adds up to is a volume shooter who wins the scoring title.

but was he outright selfish? the good melo kept the ball moving-- thrilling when he does this-- and the bad melo did not. his USG:AST was 2.52:1. this is pretty selfish.

but this stat is an average-- some games he did not share the ball at all yet shot the ball lights out. other games he shot the ball not so well but was swinging the ball dirk-ishly and boy was that a welcome sight from him.

we're talking about winning now, right? not just scoring but winning.

i would say that if melo manages to get his dirk on the knicks are going to have a great chance of not only reaching the ECF but making a real series of it.

to my eyes i see the knicks taking the only route accessible to them to beat the heat, ie the same route dallas took to beat the heat with dirk nowitzki.

keep the turnovers down to prevent fast break transition points, keep moving the ball ahead of the rotations, and by god don't take bad shots.