IronWillGiroud wrote:i think this is bad for pro sports, not because he's a gay but because sexuality should not have anything to do with pro sports whether you are a hetero or a homosexual
Your correct and in time it will happen. Back in the day being black was a big deal for many trailblazers who integrated leagues and college conferences. They had to put up with a lot of crap.
Then race was no longer an issue.
If Collins plays he will be called out on it. He is willing to be the first. THere are some real fanatic right wing who will despise him. For some its a religious thing.
Its complicated. To stop discrimination one has to consider them a "race" to equate. That makes it complicated. Its not a "race of people". For detracters they think its a "lifestyle choice".
Bottom line its discriminatin if you dont' treat everyone the same legally.
Sports is very macho. I wonder who will be the first to have a openly game player on an ACTIVE roster?
callmened wrote:- good call. i kinda felt like that wasnt a good idea. sorry if i offended you or anyone else- comments like that (no matter how mild/minor) are part of the problem. i admit that and i SINCERELY apologize.
No problem!
Didn't John Amaechi come out in 2007? He's retired not active, so I guess that doesn't count.
I hope Collins finds a team, it would help to make something like this a non-event a few years down the road. Its a big deal now, but eventually it won't be. Collins did his part to put pro sports on that path, good for him.
ChuckBuck wrote:Didn't John Amaechi come out in 2007? He's retired not active, so I guess that doesn't count.
He was retired and British.
IronWillGiroud wrote:i think this is bad for pro sports, not because he's a gay but because sexuality should not have anything to do with pro sports whether you are a hetero or a homosexual
I think pretty much it does. I remember one game when maybe it was Breen asking Clyde if any of the players seek his advice (or something like that)...and Clyde answered that no players ever ask him for advice...ever. While I have no idea of Clyde's orientation...nor do I care, if he is gay it makes alot of sense in the macho/testosterone world of sports that players would not value his experience and that he has never become a coach in this league...hard to find maturity in a game where most players are over the hill before they mature
Rhe fact that is a national story is the real problem Who cares? Like Iron said..what does sexuality have to do with sports?
Rookie wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:i think this is bad for pro sports, not because he's a gay but because sexuality should not have anything to do with pro sports whether you are a hetero or a homosexual
I think pretty much it does. I remember one game when maybe it was Breen asking Clyde if any of the players seek his advice (or something like that)...and Clyde answered that no players ever ask him for advice...ever. While I have no idea of Clyde's orientation...nor do I care, if he is gay it makes alot of sense in the macho/testosterone world of sports that players would not value his experience and that he has never become a coach in this league...hard to find maturity in a game where most players are over the hill before they mature
Clyde does have two kids I thought was married at one time very early in his life but the whole fashion thing, and running a B&B thing in the islands is kind of "interesting".
Clyde was my childhood sports hero. Im sure a lot of others too!
If he came out, it would it be accepted as "all this time I am gay and it never mattered!"?????
I would hope so! Does it make clyde any less cool?
Clyde has a reputation as a lady slayer! I doubt it. JUst a bit metro maybe!
He should be treated the same way as he was before. Not better and definitely not worse. It will be rough early on but I hope it all works out for him.
I look forward to the day when sexual orientation is no longer an issue. It's no big deal to me what anyone else does with their body and it shouldn't matter. Good for Collins, it probably took a lot of courage regardless of the phase his career is in.
Very awkward exchange between Chris Broussard and LZ Anderson. Interesting to see how a political issue like this plays out through a non-politically affiliated news source like ESPN.I actually think it's more interesting watching this debate on ESPN than on the biased political news networks, as it reveals how developments like this affect everyday people that are not outwardly associated with a political party. Obviously the narrative is favorable towards Collins, but this is certainly a polarizing issue, and it is shows even on a mostly objective sports network.
You know what--this might be politically incorrect--but I do not care what Jason Collins is. Why doesnt he keep it to himself? Why should any person get commended for their personal sexuality preference--it makes n o sense. If he let everyone know he was a part time firefighter while he played in the NBA--bravo. What you do on your own time--I dont care --neither should anyone else. This is a nothing.
BRIGGS wrote:You know what--this might be politically incorrect--but I do not care what Jason Collins is. Why doesnt he keep it to himself? Why should any person get commended for their personal sexuality preference--it makes n o sense. If he let everyone know he was a part time firefighter while he played in the NBA--bravo. What you do on your own time--I dont care --neither should anyone else. This is a nothing.
By coming out he empowers other gays that may love sports and dream of playing at a professional level but are scared of the stigma attached with that. This could potentially inspire to them follow their dreams and know that they do not have to hide because of their sexual preference. It is a much bigger deal than someone talking about being a firefighter, firefighters do not live in fear of discrimination, and are celebrated for their duty. The label of "firefighter" garners respect and admiration, it does not inspire the hatred that homosexuality elicits among some right wing circles. This is a pretty big deal. Earthshattering? No, but important.
BRIGGS wrote:You know what--this might be politically incorrect--but I do not care what Jason Collins is. Why doesnt he keep it to himself? Why should any person get commended for their personal sexuality preference--it makes n o sense. If he let everyone know he was a part time firefighter while he played in the NBA--bravo. What you do on your own time--I dont care --neither should anyone else. This is a nothing.
because nobody ever gets kicked in the ass and told to stop playing like a firefighter.
Its funny because some think being gay is a lifestyle choice, like one day they decided to be that way. Others think its just what they are and how they are wired. If the latter is the case your forced to hide "what you are" because its not accepted in these circles. The point it its unfair that its not accepted, and before people STOP caring (as you suggest and I agree, should be a non issue) they have to get used to the fact that these people are out there, on our teams, in our neighborhoods and as you say... their sexuality or lifestyle choices or whatever you want to call it are indeed a non issue and non factor.
Not there yet. Not even close.
Dagger wrote:BRIGGS wrote:You know what--this might be politically incorrect--but I do not care what Jason Collins is. Why doesnt he keep it to himself? Why should any person get commended for their personal sexuality preference--it makes n o sense. If he let everyone know he was a part time firefighter while he played in the NBA--bravo. What you do on your own time--I dont care --neither should anyone else. This is a nothing.
By coming out he empowers other gays that may love sports and dream of playing at a professional level but are scared of the stigma attached with that. This could potentially inspire to them follow their dreams and know that they do not have to hide because of their sexual preference. It is a much bigger deal than someone talking about being a firefighter, firefighters do not live in fear of discrimination, and are celebrated for their duty. The label of "firefighter" garners respect and admiration, it does not inspire the hatred that homosexuality elicits among some right wing circles. This is a pretty big deal. Earthshattering? No, but important.
If you're gay and like sports--play, it should not matter--this is ridiculous. Its not a story.
If being gay was normally, people wouldn't have to come out and say there gay. It's not right, and in the bible it says it's not right.
I hate getting into this back and forth is it right or is it wrong thing..Every time some one steps out and say there gay, everybody wants to pat them on the back and say how brave they are and the world should stop and take a look at this hero. I'm a humanitarian, I respect you as a human being no matter the race color or creed as long as you respect me, but that doesn't mean i support being gay at all.
God says tho shall not kill, but we have the death penalty..figure that one out..This country breeds hypocrites...
jason collins has a twin brother who was just as shock as any of us.. They use to say people were born gay, or it had something to do with there up bring or an experience they dealt with growing up.
I was dealing with a woman for 7 years, and one morning wakes me up (OUT OF THE DAMN BLUE) and says she's going to date woman because she thinks she likes it..Our wedding was months away..smdh
BRIGGS wrote:Dagger wrote:BRIGGS wrote:You know what--this might be politically incorrect--but I do not care what Jason Collins is. Why doesnt he keep it to himself? Why should any person get commended for their personal sexuality preference--it makes n o sense. If he let everyone know he was a part time firefighter while he played in the NBA--bravo. What you do on your own time--I dont care --neither should anyone else. This is a nothing.
By coming out he empowers other gays that may love sports and dream of playing at a professional level but are scared of the stigma attached with that. This could potentially inspire to them follow their dreams and know that they do not have to hide because of their sexual preference. It is a much bigger deal than someone talking about being a firefighter, firefighters do not live in fear of discrimination, and are celebrated for their duty. The label of "firefighter" garners respect and admiration, it does not inspire the hatred that homosexuality elicits among some right wing circles. This is a pretty big deal. Earthshattering? No, but important.
If you're gay and like sports--play, it should not matter--this is ridiculous. Its not a story.
Gay people don't have equal rights as others. The constitution guarantees an individual rights but not as married.
Ok, no biggy. Years ago states had sodamy laws that could lock up gay men. People have been persecuted over history for being gay.
It really SHOULD be no big deal, but its is.
Maybe we'll hear stories of men bounced from pro sports because of their orientation. Maybe not.
Lets see how it plays out.
I don't care if Jason Collins is gay or not gay..I don't watch sports to find out a player sexual preference...I don't care for the distraction of some one's sexual preference when watching a game...It's not important to me for Jason Collins to make that statement or any other player for that matter...If Cheyrl Miller was ever good enough to play in the NBA and she played for the Knicks, I don't need to know who she is sleeping with...
Also, I think its a big issue with players who aren't gay...Just like some players may not be comfortable being naked in front of a women, female reporters included, I don't think they should have to be naked in front of another player who looks at them in a sexual manner...Not saying if you are gay male u look at all male as a sexual object...I don't think male gay reporters should be let into locker rooms either...Does a player who is straight and doesn't want to be looked upon as a sexual object have rights??..
I doesn't make a difference to me but I don't want it in my face like I don't need to know if a player likes red velvet cake...I don't need to be reminded that red velvet cake is your preference...
Yea but he may not even be in the league next yr. Maybe someone who is active in a league will come out now
holfresh wrote:I don't care if Jason Collins is gay or not gay..I don't watch sports to find out a player sexual preference...I don't care for the distraction of some one's sexual preference when watching a game...It's not important to me for Jason Collins to make that statement or any other player for that matter...If Cheyrl Miller was ever good enough to play in the NBA and she played for the Knicks, I don't need to know who she is sleeping with...
Also, I think its a big issue with players who aren't gay...Just like some players may not be comfortable being naked in front of a women, female reporters included, I don't think they should have to be naked in front of another player who looks at them in a sexual manner...Not saying if you are gay male u look at all male as a sexual object...I don't think male gay reporters should be let into locker rooms either...Does a player who is straight and doesn't want to be looked upon as a sexual object have rights??..
I doesn't make a difference to me but I don't want it in my face like I don't need to know if a player likes red velvet cake...I don't need to be reminded that red velvet cake is your preference...
So if you were a reporter and walked into a WNBA locker room you'd look at all the women as sexual objects?
You think the Jets make a play for him now?
