To be honest, we look so un prepared yesterday..I don't understand why we go small and are dead last in fast break pts and assist..
But when you see prigs and kidd stop every potential fastbreak, you know why..I hear woody in huddles talk about pushing the ball, yet at every opportunity you see your guards stop in transition to either look for melo and jr, or try and shoot a 3.
our guards get no assist because when they pass the ball, they take 12 seconds to size up there defender and shoot a jumper, sometimes I see why jr resorts back to jumpers, he doesn't get the calls when he penetrates.
knicks1248 wrote:To be honest, we look so un prepared yesterday..I don't understand why we go small and are dead last in fast break pts and assist..But when you see prigs and kidd stop every potential fastbreak, you know why..I hear woody in huddles talk about pushing the ball, yet at every opportunity you see your guards stop in transition to either look for melo and jr, or try and shoot a 3.our guards get no assist because when they pass the ball, they take 12 seconds to size up there defender and shoot a jumper, sometimes I see why jr resorts back to jumpers, he doesn't get the calls when he penetrates.
I absolutely hate the way these teams run fastbreaks nowadays....Back in the 80's teams actually filled the lane on the break for a dunk, layup or foul. But coaches like Pitino changed the way we run the fastbreak now. I think Pitino is one of the all time greats, but I never liked the philosophy of shooting a 3 on the break which is his philosphy and he brought it with him to the NBA. I understand it ( You get an open look in transition) but unless your Novak or Curry, or your shooting from the college 3point line, players just need to fill the lane and score.
On 2 different instances, we had a fastbreak and instead of filling the lane for a 2 on 1, JR floats to the 3 point line...I was screaming at my television for JR to get his head under the rim....
Uptown wrote:First and foremost, we lost game 1 on the defensive side of the ball. Yes, the offense wasn't great, but the Pacers shot 50% from the field, scored 102 pts and outrebounded us by 14. During the season, the Pacers only shot 43% and score about 94 pts. We held the Celts to about 82 pts per for the series and I believe lead all playoff teams in Fg% defense.
Some adjustments for game 2:
Seems like the gameplan was to sag off the shooters and they made us pay. Augustine was the perhaps the most important player for the Pacers this afternoon because we were on the verge of going up by double figures in the 2nd Q, when Cope hit a 3 and Martin made 2 baskets. Augustine made 3 huge 3's and a drive to the basket that found Hansbrough (sp) for a layup). On all 3 of those shots, we sagged off and left him open. Its clear we have to press up a bit on Hill, Augustine, Stephenson and George. The Celts didn't get this many open Jays in the first series and its time we get back to our rugged, in your face defense like we displayed against the Celts. Also, Hill is not a pure pg, would like to see more fullcourt pressure on him as he brings the ball up....
We absolutely have to push the ball on every defensive rebound. Hibbert and West are brusiers, not runners. We have to up the tempo a bit which will nullify Hibberts presence in the paint. No way West and Hibbert can keep up with Tyson and Melo in a full court offensive set. When I say run, I dont necessarily mean fastbreak on every play, but just by pushing the ball, we'll catch them scrambling back and they will be out f position defensively since they have a lot of cross match defensively (West has to find Shump, George has to find Melo, etc). This will also get JR, Melo and Tyson some open looks and get them into a rhythm.
If the refs are going to let the the Pacers play that physical, we need to run more PNR with Felton and Chandler and even Melo and Chandler. Hibbert is not coming out or showing on the pick, he's laying back in the paint and waiting for us to dart into the lane. The offense looked good in the 1st Q when we aran the PNR and Felton had about 3 easy runners in the lane. The 10-12 foot area is wide open as Hibbert is guarding the rim. This is also why I would like to see Melo and Chandler run some PNR because Melo can knock down the 12 footer.....
Agree absolutely no doubling off shooters unless you have an excellent chance to steal the ball. We pay Tyson Chandler 15mm to guard our basket--let him and Kmart do their jobs. It killed momentum in the game. On offense I noticed Melo was shooting with very little arc--notice his 3 pt shot looked like a line drive. He and JR also have to be smarter driving to the hoops because there going to be met. Perhaps using picks higher will give each player more space and shooters must set up on either side of a drive for a kick
DurzoBlint wrote:Uptown wrote:If anyone heard Jeff Van Gundy on Mike and Mike this morning he pretty much echoed everything I said. He said the Knicks need to push the ball in transition to beat the bigs up the floor, and we need to exploit more PNR with Felton/Chandler and even Melo/Chandler because Hibbert is not coming out to defend. The 10 foot area is wide open which is why Felton was able to make the runners. Melo can also exploit the 10 foot area with pull ups as opposed to running into Hibberts Body...
we need to play the big we signed at the end of the season. He is a good rebounder and his jumpshot is money. He'd be awesome in the pic-n-roll which could work since like you said, Hibbert is not coming out to contest and if he does it OPENS up the lane.
Woodson has to throw some minutes to Barron. He can't wait until the series is out of reach before deciding to try something else. Barron is an adequate rebounder AND has a jump shot. His insertion might be pivotal in the outcome of this series. This loyalty to Chandler has become destructive. In his case, fewer minutes might make him more productive.
Adjustments....
Do Whatever It Takes To Get The Ball Out Of Melo's and Earl's Hands....
THE END!
Either go big to start 5 Chandler 4 Martin 3 Melo or go small and push the tempo. 5 CHandler 4 Melo 3 Shump 2Prigs 1 Felton. The second line up will not cut it in the half court consistently vs Indy. Camby and Stat better be ready to play in the 1st lineup.
nykshaknbake wrote:Either go big to start 5 Chandler 4 Martin 3 Melo or go small and push the tempo. 5 CHandler 4 Melo 3 Shump 2Prigs 1 Felton. The second line up will not cut it in the half court consistently vs Indy. Camby and Stat better be ready to play in the 1st lineup.
I prefer to go wiht the small lineup to start and push the tempo. No way can/should Hibbert and West be able to keep up with Chandler and Melo on the secondary break....Plus, George guards Melo se he has to cross the court nd find Melo while West has to find Shump. Push the ball and one of Shump, Melo or Chandler should get an opne look.
Uptown wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Either go big to start 5 Chandler 4 Martin 3 Melo or go small and push the tempo. 5 CHandler 4 Melo 3 Shump 2Prigs 1 Felton. The second line up will not cut it in the half court consistently vs Indy. Camby and Stat better be ready to play in the 1st lineup.
I prefer to go wiht the small lineup to start and push the tempo. No way can/should Hibbert and West be able to keep up with Chandler and Melo on the secondary break....Plus, George guards Melo se he has to cross the court nd find Melo while West has to find Shump. Push the ball and one of Shump, Melo or Chandler should get an opne look.
It's hard to push the tempo when the opponent is younger and faster than you.
Problem with the small lineup is the Pacers will punish us in the post with West and Hibbert. Knicks gotta go big as to not get blow out in the 1st quarter.
beckley mason in the NYT wrote a very good piece about the two teams that is worth reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/sports...
the crux of the matter is that the pacers are emulating the 2008 celtics defensively, according to the author. this means they defend the 3-point line and the rim and leave everything else in between relatively free. this is why felton's floaters or teardrops are effective while melo and smith have been awful.
in my opinion both melo and smith had better start driving and then stopping and popping for 6-10 foot stepbacks. trying to finish at the rim, drawing contact and whatnot, is going to be a fool's errand and it will kill this team. same with 3-point shots... unless melo actually is willing to move the ball. his holding on to the ball is going to kill this team.
meanwhile, i have stated for some time that the knicks are emulating the 2011 mavericks... the key being melo keeping the ball moving the way dirk did, never allowing the defense to rest or set itself. that's why the iso stuff is going to kill the knicks. the only time you saw iso with dirk was when he was in the mid to low post.
the knicks have to play the right way or they are doomed-- and it should be curtains for woodson.
Pass the ball around no Iso unless shot clock is under 10 sec , make Indiana run around a bit, put Hibbert in high pick and roll with Melo on offense create mismatches if they wanna play big and get him in foul trouble early.
Make Hibbert beat us in the paint and not allow 3 pt shooters to get confidence knocking down big threes.
Knicks penetrators have to make decisions when to pull up in the paint with a tear drop or mid range jumper. Challenging Hibbert all the time isn't wise unless he's trying to recover and not already stationery at the basket.
All we need is to make the extra pass
It is not simply on Earl and Carmelo. It is everyone. Our strength is our ability to gain extra possessions by not turning it over. One of the positives from Sunday is we only turned it over 10 times to Indiana's 16. That is something to build on.
The downside is the Pacers 8 blocked shots to our 4. That can also be fixed.
We are transitioning from playing a team with a soft interior, Boston, to one where the interior is its strength. Woodson will make certain the adjustments are made clear. It is up to his veteran players to execute.
Hit the open man.
dk7th wrote:beckley mason in the NYT wrote a very good piece about the two teams that is worth reading:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/sports...
the crux of the matter is that the pacers are emulating the 2008 celtics defensively, according to the author. this means they defend the 3-point line and the rim and leave everything else in between relatively free. this is why felton's floaters or teardrops are effective while melo and smith have been awful.
in my opinion both melo and smith had better start driving and then stopping and popping for 6-10 foot stepbacks. trying to finish at the rim, drawing contact and whatnot, is going to be a fool's errand and it will kill this team. same with 3-point shots... unless melo actually is willing to move the ball. his holding on to the ball is going to kill this team.
meanwhile, i have stated for some time that the knicks are emulating the 2011 mavericks... the key being melo keeping the ball moving the way dirk did, never allowing the defense to rest or set itself. that's why the iso stuff is going to kill the knicks. the only time you saw iso with dirk was when he was in the mid to low post.
the knicks have to play the right way or they are doomed-- and it should be curtains for woodson.
This is essentially what I said in my original post. The 10-12 foot range is wide opne which is why we should run more PNR Felton/Chandler and Melo/Chandler and have Melo pull up for the 10 footer....Or Felton for the floater....
Uptown wrote:dk7th wrote:beckley mason in the NYT wrote a very good piece about the two teams that is worth reading:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/sports...
the crux of the matter is that the pacers are emulating the 2008 celtics defensively, according to the author. this means they defend the 3-point line and the rim and leave everything else in between relatively free. this is why felton's floaters or teardrops are effective while melo and smith have been awful.
in my opinion both melo and smith had better start driving and then stopping and popping for 6-10 foot stepbacks. trying to finish at the rim, drawing contact and whatnot, is going to be a fool's errand and it will kill this team. same with 3-point shots... unless melo actually is willing to move the ball. his holding on to the ball is going to kill this team.
meanwhile, i have stated for some time that the knicks are emulating the 2011 mavericks... the key being melo keeping the ball moving the way dirk did, never allowing the defense to rest or set itself. that's why the iso stuff is going to kill the knicks. the only time you saw iso with dirk was when he was in the mid to low post.
the knicks have to play the right way or they are doomed-- and it should be curtains for woodson.
This is essentially what I said in my original post. The 10-12 foot range is wide opne which is why we should run more PNR Felton/Chandler and Melo/Chandler and have Melo pull up for the 10 footer....Or Felton for the floater....
yes and good on you for pointing that out. the knicks have to get that shot going tomorrow because status quo is not going to get it done. felton alone is not enough.
trouble is i don't see melo doing any pick and roll and i don't see how you would since we never see that from him.
in which case he is going to drive and if he does drive then by god don't barrel forward, step back! you're a great shooter and there's no shame in avoiding contact at the rim. score points efficiently. same with smith.
Raheed Walllace would have been perfect for this series. He would have played hibbert really well, and then make him go out on the Perimeter
Pick and rolls are not going to work with that Hibbert thing standing there waiting for them to happen. It's been analyzed to death on several different sites. He's not fast, so he drifts and stays at home just waiting for it to come to him.
Miami beat them by using Hibbert's spacing against them; you essentially get a free extra screener, because he's essentially playing zone. They got open threes and short range jumpers.
You have to attack each baseline. Hibbert can stand up straight really well, but he can't defend both sides of the baseline at once. If Woodson would have Tyson coming from the opposite side from the ball, he'd be wide open for the quick dunk. Hibbert is not that fast. And that's also providing Melo or JR can get him the ball. This is where Amare could also go sheet for broke with those baseline Dream moves.
From what I can tell the Knicks had plenty of opportunities and open looks and missed. This seemed to affect their defense.
Kudos to Woodson and his staff for the adjustments made in game 2. As I said in my original post, the Knicks did a great job of trapping and pressuring the Indy Guards. None of the Pacer guards are great ball handlers nor are they pure pg's. Also, the Knicks did much better job of exploiting the mid range (10-12) feet since Hibbert lays back in the paint. Melo got a ton of open 15 footers, Felton had the runner going early and we even dsaw JR try a floater in the lane....
That mid range jumper apparently works wonders for a Starphucques shooting %! Continue to guard that rim, Mr. Hibbert!
AnubisADL wrote:Problem with the small lineup is the Pacers will punish us in the post with West and Hibbert. Knicks gotta go big as to not get blow out in the 1st quarter.
that's what I have been calling for. I even said it here during the season, Melo on West is a mismatch that I think is more likely to get Melo in foul trouble than West and will hurt us on the boards. Going with the/a big lineup would help us on the boards and aid in protecting the paint.
I said it on page 1, play Baron. His jumper is money and would wreck havok in the pic-n-roll.
