Knicks · Thank You to Melo (page 3)

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Watch this...

Knicks wanted Lebron or Wade in 2010. Wade is breaking down in year 3. Amare broke down in year 1. Knicks could have signed worse players and been in lottery land WITHOUT our draft picks because of the Houston McGrady trade. We'd really be crying then.

What ifs can go either way good or bad.

Melo is shooting 39% in the playoffs and 1.7 assists. He hasn't been good in the playoffs. He was subpar his first two season as well. There is no exuse for that kind of shooting.

Unfortunately he is very similiar to iverson. you can't build around him unless you get pieces that never need the ball. He doesn't get it and never will. He played well this season, but his stats are virtually the same as they were his first two seasons. I think having Felton was the only real difference this season as opposed to his first two with the Knicks.

It's all perception. Like Tyson Chandler is an elite defender.

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Saying we revamped the core to aquire Melo is partially true. We acquired Melo to pair him with Stat, another allstar. Stat has been MIA since Melo's arrival so I ask, what part does Stat play in this equation when you consider why Melo was brought here?

Amare has been a disaster and has not escaped criticism. He has been destroyed on this site. That being said, we did not trade 3/5 of our roster for Amare. Amare immediately accepted less shots, a bench role etc. ever since his original injury he has done as asked and expected. Lets not get it twisted, we are building around Melo.

Carmelo is our "superstar". Is it unfair to ask him to outperform Hibbert? I'm expecting that over the last three games

Bippity10 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Saying we revamped the core to aquire Melo is partially true. We acquired Melo to pair him with Stat, another allstar. Stat has been MIA since Melo's arrival so I ask, what part does Stat play in this equation when you consider why Melo was brought here?

Amare has been a disaster and has not escaped criticism. He has been destroyed on this site. That being said, we did not trade 3/5 of our roster for Amare. Amare immediately accepted less shots, a bench role etc. ever since his original injury he has done as asked and expected. Lets not get it twisted, we are building around Melo.

Carmelo is our "superstar". Is it unfair to ask him to outperform Hibbert? I'm expecting that over the last three games

huge difference between laying out cash for a free agent-- stoudemire-- and trading away decent young players AND paying max money in a trade that DID NOT have to happen and SHOULD NOT have happened.

i hear people saying carmelo has been "doing his part." WOW

dude's floor impact has been negligible.

Bippity10 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Saying we revamped the core to aquire Melo is partially true. We acquired Melo to pair him with Stat, another allstar. Stat has been MIA since Melo's arrival so I ask, what part does Stat play in this equation when you consider why Melo was brought here?

Amare has been a disaster and has not escaped criticism. He has been destroyed on this site. That being said, we did not trade 3/5 of our roster for Amare. Amare immediately accepted less shots, a bench role etc. ever since his original injury he has done as asked and expected. Lets not get it twisted, we are building around Melo.

Carmelo is our "superstar". Is it unfair to ask him to outperform Hibbert? I'm expecting that over the last three games

Either way, having a healthy Stat on the team allowed the Knicks to swing for the fences (rightly or wrongly) and dump 3/5's of the roster to acquire Melo because brass thought a combo of Stat and Melo, 2 allstars would land us amongst the elite. Without Stat in the mix, I doubt that trade goes down. Without a healthy Stat, this team resembles the Thunder without Westbrook. OKC is building around Durant, unfortunately we dont have anyone close to a reliable 2nd star player to play alongside him. (Before anyone jumps in, No I'm not comparing Melo to Durant)

I dont necessarily disagree with Melo being able to outperform Hibbert. However, I think its alot harder to dilute Hibberts impact on the game than it is Melo's. Hibbert share-size alone is tough enough, but he performs on the defensive and offensive boards, the defense is built around him as he stops penetration, he can score in the paint, etc.

Not trying to be evasive to your question, I do understand what your saying. In the grand scheme of things Melo is supposed to be the bigger star and should have the bigger iimpact, but for Melo to = what Hibbert is doing on both sides of the ball and on the boards, Melo would have to drop about 35 a game if not more....

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Saying we revamped the core to aquire Melo is partially true. We acquired Melo to pair him with Stat, another allstar. Stat has been MIA since Melo's arrival so I ask, what part does Stat play in this equation when you consider why Melo was brought here?

Amare has been a disaster and has not escaped criticism. He has been destroyed on this site. That being said, we did not trade 3/5 of our roster for Amare. Amare immediately accepted less shots, a bench role etc. ever since his original injury he has done as asked and expected. Lets not get it twisted, we are building around Melo.

Carmelo is our "superstar". Is it unfair to ask him to outperform Hibbert? I'm expecting that over the last three games

Either way, having a healthy Stat on the team allowed the Knicks to swing for the fences (rightly or wrongly) and dump 3/5's of the roster to acquire Melo because brass thought a combo of Stat and Melo, 2 allstars would land us amongst the elite. Without Stat in the mix, I doubt that trade goes down. Without a healthy Stat, this team resembles the Thunder without Westbrook. OKC is building around Durant, unfortunately we dont have anyone close to a reliable 2nd star player to play alongside him. (Before anyone jumps in, No I'm not comparing Melo to Durant)

I dont necessarily disagree with Melo being able to outperform Hibbert. However, I think its alot harder to dilute Hibberts impact on the game than it is Melo's. Hibbert share-size alone is tough enough, but he performs on the defensive and offensive boards, the defense is built around him as he stops penetration, he can score in the paint, etc.

Not trying to be evasive to your question, I do understand what your saying. In the grand scheme of things Melo is supposed to be the bigger star and should have the bigger iimpact, but for Melo to = what Hibbert is doing on both sides of the ball and on the boards, Melo would have to drop about 35 a game if not more....

I would buy that... I would. Honestly watching that game last night I thought Melo hit a lot of big shots to stop the bleeding and keep it managable. I was thinking if the Knicks make a run in this game it will be possible because Melo was hitting some shots and keeping it close.

The problem is the results, which are ALWAYS the same for Melo. Too many shots take, too many shots missed and lots of losses in the playoffs. Its not here or there. Its every year.

Melo has been a Knick 3 years. In 3 years of playoffs he's shot .375 .419 .391

MAybe after 5 years we say this wont work? 10? You tell me... how many playoff games does he have to jack 30 shots and miss 20 for folks to realize maybe there is a better player to build an offense around. You tell me mate.

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Saying we revamped the core to aquire Melo is partially true. We acquired Melo to pair him with Stat, another allstar. Stat has been MIA since Melo's arrival so I ask, what part does Stat play in this equation when you consider why Melo was brought here?

Amare has been a disaster and has not escaped criticism. He has been destroyed on this site. That being said, we did not trade 3/5 of our roster for Amare. Amare immediately accepted less shots, a bench role etc. ever since his original injury he has done as asked and expected. Lets not get it twisted, we are building around Melo.

Carmelo is our "superstar". Is it unfair to ask him to outperform Hibbert? I'm expecting that over the last three games

Either way, having a healthy Stat on the team allowed the Knicks to swing for the fences (rightly or wrongly) and dump 3/5's of the roster to acquire Melo because brass thought a combo of Stat and Melo, 2 allstars would land us amongst the elite. Without Stat in the mix, I doubt that trade goes down. Without a healthy Stat, this team resembles the Thunder without Westbrook. OKC is building around Durant, unfortunately we dont have anyone close to a reliable 2nd star player to play alongside him. (Before anyone jumps in, No I'm not comparing Melo to Durant)

I dont necessarily disagree with Melo being able to outperform Hibbert. However, I think its alot harder to dilute Hibberts impact on the game than it is Melo's. Hibbert share-size alone is tough enough, but he performs on the defensive and offensive boards, the defense is built around him as he stops penetration, he can score in the paint, etc.

Not trying to be evasive to your question, I do understand what your saying. In the grand scheme of things Melo is supposed to be the bigger star and should have the bigger iimpact, but for Melo to = what Hibbert is doing on both sides of the ball and on the boards, Melo would have to drop about 35 a game if not more....

So what you are saying is that Hibbert is a bigger star.

I do agree with your first point that stat allowed us to dump the farm for Melo. Still we weren't going to dump the farm for Hibbert or Rudy gay or joe Johnson. We did it for Melo because he's supposed to be a superstar. He's proving that at the moment he is not. However, the series is not over. Maybe he becomes one

There was a play early in the game. The beginning were it is imperative for us to set the tone. He misses a baseline turnaround. Indy gets the bound. Indy has a breakaway and scores on a layup. Hansborougg who was right next to Melo sprints down and is in position for the ore bound. Melo barely crosses half court. Later down 10 he suffers a magical leg injury(I say magical because it immediately went away on the offensive end) instead of hustling back. Indy plays 5 on 4 and drains a back breaking three

Melo plays hard but I'm not sure he has that superstar killer instinct. That desire to bury his opponent in every aspect. Not sure he understands the moment. If his shot is falling, he is an assassin. If his dot isn't falling what is he?

McGrady, Vince Carter, Melo

Great players, can score lots of points, but they don't get you bling.

I see why the world don't like Melo. They don't have to.

There was a time when Steve Francis and Marbury were considered star players in this league. Melo is a better player, but how many guys averaged 20pts 8ass like Marbury. It's only a matter of time before guys tail off. Melo will never change for the better. He is who he is.

We are not going to be better than Miami, Indy or Chicago going forward, those teams have a lot of balance and more youth.

So that essentially will put us in a battle for a 4 seed with NJ, ATL, BOS. There should be added improvement from the Cavs with a new coach and a draft selection.

So why are we holding onto guys. Our GM has shown a real lack of vision. Using the amnesty to bring in Chandler wasn't a smart move, long term deal for Novak, trading for Camby, Kidd has been medicore at best and without JR Smith the knicks have no offense. So you're hoping Shumpert doesn't blow out his knee and turns in a 15pt a game. He's made a couple of solid signings by luck, no one wanted K-Mart, Smith out of China. I will give him Raymond Felton in a trade as a fantastic move, but we need to get younger and better.

MS he is hanging on to players because he too thinks Melo is a superstar.

Nalod wrote:McGrady, Vince Carter, Melo

Great players, can score lots of points, but they don't get you bling.

I see why the world don't like Melo. They don't have to.

I actually like Melo. I just think people are pushing hard to turn him into a superstar when he isn't. Unfortunately our team makes trades and signings as if he is.

Our only hope is that he becomes one over the next three games

MS wrote:Melo is shooting 39% in the playoffs and 1.7 assists. He hasn't been good in the playoffs. He was subpar his first two season as well. There is no exuse for that kind of shooting.

Unfortunately he is very similiar to iverson. you can't build around him unless you get pieces that never need the ball. He doesn't get it and never will. He played well this season, but his stats are virtually the same as they were his first two seasons. I think having Felton was the only real difference this season as opposed to his first two with the Knicks.

It's all perception. Like Tyson Chandler is an elite defender.

I said I would stay out of this thread, but I wanted to respond to your post... I agree with you in that carmelo is almost impossible to build around because you will have to get guys who don't need or want the ball. well that may work somewhat if the guy taking the majority of the shots could shoot above 39% in the playoffs... and when he doesn't, the fans cry.. "he needs help" this has been going on for 10 years now... it is sickening to keep hearing that excuse..

with that said.. Carmelo is NOT a great player.. He can be a great Streak scorer, he can score the ball better than most in streaks.... He is not a good defender, or passer. he doesn't make anyone better... and It is not only because I don't think he really is interested in all the other aspects, but he just isn't good at it... plain and simple... so he does what makes him comfortable... shoot.... and some people fell in love with that... but it doesn't make you a contender... Paul George is clearly outplaying him, and lets be real, it is not like Paul george is lighting it up offensively either, but he does so many other things, that contribute to team cohesion and winning, which is just what we are not getting from carmelo...

yea, yea, I am going to be called a hater.. I really don't care, it is not like I am making these things up... even the biggest carmelo homer sees this, now coming to terms with it, is another thing...

I think having Felton was the only real difference this season as opposed to his first two with the Knicks.

I agree for the most part,having felton and KIDD play very well early, made a difference.. as kidd's play tanked and felton has cooled off a bit, you could see a big difference in play. George Hill is killing our backcourt..

Bippity10 wrote:MS he is hanging on to players because he too thinks Melo is a superstar.

Grunwald? I think keeping Melo (I dont want him traded for the record) would be more Dolan than anything. If we could trade Melo and bring back someone that Dolan can use as the face of the franchise and to put asses in the seats then it could happen.

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Saying we revamped the core to aquire Melo is partially true. We acquired Melo to pair him with Stat, another allstar. Stat has been MIA since Melo's arrival so I ask, what part does Stat play in this equation when you consider why Melo was brought here?

Amare has been a disaster and has not escaped criticism. He has been destroyed on this site. That being said, we did not trade 3/5 of our roster for Amare. Amare immediately accepted less shots, a bench role etc. ever since his original injury he has done as asked and expected. Lets not get it twisted, we are building around Melo.

Carmelo is our "superstar". Is it unfair to ask him to outperform Hibbert? I'm expecting that over the last three games

Either way, having a healthy Stat on the team allowed the Knicks to swing for the fences (rightly or wrongly) and dump 3/5's of the roster to acquire Melo because brass thought a combo of Stat and Melo, 2 allstars would land us amongst the elite. Without Stat in the mix, I doubt that trade goes down. Without a healthy Stat, this team resembles the Thunder without Westbrook. OKC is building around Durant, unfortunately we dont have anyone close to a reliable 2nd star player to play alongside him. (Before anyone jumps in, No I'm not comparing Melo to Durant)

I dont necessarily disagree with Melo being able to outperform Hibbert. However, I think its alot harder to dilute Hibberts impact on the game than it is Melo's. Hibbert share-size alone is tough enough, but he performs on the defensive and offensive boards, the defense is built around him as he stops penetration, he can score in the paint, etc.

Not trying to be evasive to your question, I do understand what your saying. In the grand scheme of things Melo is supposed to be the bigger star and should have the bigger iimpact, but for Melo to = what Hibbert is doing on both sides of the ball and on the boards, Melo would have to drop about 35 a game if not more....

I would buy that... I would. Honestly watching that game last night I thought Melo hit a lot of big shots to stop the bleeding and keep it managable. I was thinking if the Knicks make a run in this game it will be possible because Melo was hitting some shots and keeping it close.

The problem is the results, which are ALWAYS the same for Melo. Too many shots take, too many shots missed and lots of losses in the playoffs. Its not here or there. Its every year.

Melo has been a Knick 3 years. In 3 years of playoffs he's shot .375 .419 .391

MAybe after 5 years we say this wont work? 10? You tell me... how many playoff games does he have to jack 30 shots and miss 20 for folks to realize maybe there is a better player to build an offense around. You tell me mate.

In 2009, when he was paired with Billups in the playoffs, Melo averaged 27 pts, 6 rbs and 4 asts on 45% shooting, while Billups averaged 20 pts a game. Since becoming a Knick, Melo hasn't played with anyone remotely close to impacting the game the way Billups did in '09. Superstar or no, he needs a legit allstar running mate and with Stat being down the last 3 years, he hasn't had one since his arrival.....

BTW when he played with Billups in 09, he only jacked 20 shots per.....Give him an allstar and I'm sure he wont jack 30 shots....

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I can name 5 or 6 guys that have really let us down. Carmelo has been our best player. His teammates are letting him down, they are letting each other down.

My problem is this. We completely revamped the core of our team in order to acquire Melo. When we could have signed him or someone else as a free agent. Every move for the last two seasons was made with him in mind. We most likely consulted him beforehand as well. Now as putrid as chandler and smith and Kidd and woody have been I can't be angry at him for not winning this on his own. Indiana is too good for that

That being said. With everything I outlined above. I fully expect him to have a larger impact than Roy Hibbert

Saying we revamped the core to aquire Melo is partially true. We acquired Melo to pair him with Stat, another allstar. Stat has been MIA since Melo's arrival so I ask, what part does Stat play in this equation when you consider why Melo was brought here?

Amare has been a disaster and has not escaped criticism. He has been destroyed on this site. That being said, we did not trade 3/5 of our roster for Amare. Amare immediately accepted less shots, a bench role etc. ever since his original injury he has done as asked and expected. Lets not get it twisted, we are building around Melo.

Carmelo is our "superstar". Is it unfair to ask him to outperform Hibbert? I'm expecting that over the last three games

Either way, having a healthy Stat on the team allowed the Knicks to swing for the fences (rightly or wrongly) and dump 3/5's of the roster to acquire Melo because brass thought a combo of Stat and Melo, 2 allstars would land us amongst the elite. Without Stat in the mix, I doubt that trade goes down. Without a healthy Stat, this team resembles the Thunder without Westbrook. OKC is building around Durant, unfortunately we dont have anyone close to a reliable 2nd star player to play alongside him. (Before anyone jumps in, No I'm not comparing Melo to Durant)

I dont necessarily disagree with Melo being able to outperform Hibbert. However, I think its alot harder to dilute Hibberts impact on the game than it is Melo's. Hibbert share-size alone is tough enough, but he performs on the defensive and offensive boards, the defense is built around him as he stops penetration, he can score in the paint, etc.

Not trying to be evasive to your question, I do understand what your saying. In the grand scheme of things Melo is supposed to be the bigger star and should have the bigger iimpact, but for Melo to = what Hibbert is doing on both sides of the ball and on the boards, Melo would have to drop about 35 a game if not more....

I would buy that... I would. Honestly watching that game last night I thought Melo hit a lot of big shots to stop the bleeding and keep it managable. I was thinking if the Knicks make a run in this game it will be possible because Melo was hitting some shots and keeping it close.

The problem is the results, which are ALWAYS the same for Melo. Too many shots take, too many shots missed and lots of losses in the playoffs. Its not here or there. Its every year.

Melo has been a Knick 3 years. In 3 years of playoffs he's shot .375 .419 .391

MAybe after 5 years we say this wont work? 10? You tell me... how many playoff games does he have to jack 30 shots and miss 20 for folks to realize maybe there is a better player to build an offense around. You tell me mate.

In 2009, when he was paired with Billups in the playoffs, Melo averaged 27 pts, 6 rbs and 4 asts on 45% shooting, while Billups averaged 20 pts a game. Since becoming a Knick, Melo hasn't played with anyone remotely close to impacting the game the way Billups did in '09. Superstar or no, he needs a legit allstar running mate and with Stat being down the last 3 years, he hasn't had one since his arrival.....

BTW when he played with Billups in 09, he only jacked 20 shots per.....Give him an allstar and I'm sure he wont jack 30 shots....

ok fair enough. Ill bite. At the time Billups was a finals MVP coming off B2B years in the finals. Most would agree Billups was a top guard in the league on both sides of the ball. So how in gods name are we getting a player of that caliber? we have one marketable asset on this roster and thats Shumpert.

Also it wasnt just Billups. KMart, Camby, Nene were all in their prime on that roster no? That was a pretty loaded team.

TeamBall wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:MS he is hanging on to players because he too thinks Melo is a superstar.

Grunwald? I think keeping Melo (I dont want him traded for the record) would be more Dolan than anything. If we could trade Melo and bring back someone that Dolan can use as the face of the franchise and to put asses in the seats then it could happen.

You are probably right. There is a very good chance he is trying to make do with what he has

Everyone seems to ignore Durant is going thru the same thing as Melo now that he doesn't have the star help. Just like Melo, Durant is good enough to get them this far, but will fall short without help. Melo and Durant are having the exact same success this playoffs.

tkf wrote:

MS wrote:Melo is shooting 39% in the playoffs and 1.7 assists. He hasn't been good in the playoffs. He was subpar his first two season as well. There is no exuse for that kind of shooting.

Unfortunately he is very similiar to iverson. you can't build around him unless you get pieces that never need the ball. He doesn't get it and never will. He played well this season, but his stats are virtually the same as they were his first two seasons. I think having Felton was the only real difference this season as opposed to his first two with the Knicks.

It's all perception. Like Tyson Chandler is an elite defender.

I said I would stay out of this thread, but I wanted to respond to your post... I agree with you in that carmelo is almost impossible to build around because you will have to get guys who don't need or want the ball. well that may work somewhat if the guy taking the majority of the shots could shoot above 39% in the playoffs... and when he doesn't, the fans cry.. "he needs help" this has been going on for 10 years now... it is sickening to keep hearing that excuse..

with that said.. Carmelo is NOT a great player.. He can be a great Streak scorer, he can score the ball better than most in streaks.... He is not a good defender, or passer. he doesn't make anyone better... and It is not only because I don't think he really is interested in all the other aspects, but he just isn't good at it... plain and simple... so he does what makes him comfortable... shoot.... and some people fell in love with that... but it doesn't make you a contender... Paul George is clearly outplaying him, and lets be real, it is not like Paul george is lighting it up offensively either, but he does so many other things, that contribute to team cohesion and winning, which is just what we are not getting from carmelo...

yea, yea, I am going to be called a hater.. I really don't care, it is not like I am making these things up... even the biggest carmelo homer sees this, now coming to terms with it, is another thing...

I think having Felton was the only real difference this season as opposed to his first two with the Knicks.

I agree for the most part,having felton and KIDD play very well early, made a difference.. as kidd's play tanked and felton has cooled off a bit, you could see a big difference in play. George Hill is killing our backcourt..

i will add: if you understand the game and see the game properly it is clear that paul george's floor impact is many times more positive than carmelo anthony's floor impact. dude is almost invisible out there for being such a touted superstar.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

MS wrote:Melo is shooting 39% in the playoffs and 1.7 assists. He hasn't been good in the playoffs. He was subpar his first two season as well. There is no exuse for that kind of shooting.

Unfortunately he is very similiar to iverson. you can't build around him unless you get pieces that never need the ball. He doesn't get it and never will. He played well this season, but his stats are virtually the same as they were his first two seasons. I think having Felton was the only real difference this season as opposed to his first two with the Knicks.

It's all perception. Like Tyson Chandler is an elite defender.

I said I would stay out of this thread, but I wanted to respond to your post... I agree with you in that carmelo is almost impossible to build around because you will have to get guys who don't need or want the ball. well that may work somewhat if the guy taking the majority of the shots could shoot above 39% in the playoffs... and when he doesn't, the fans cry.. "he needs help" this has been going on for 10 years now... it is sickening to keep hearing that excuse..

with that said.. Carmelo is NOT a great player.. He can be a great Streak scorer, he can score the ball better than most in streaks.... He is not a good defender, or passer. he doesn't make anyone better... and It is not only because I don't think he really is interested in all the other aspects, but he just isn't good at it... plain and simple... so he does what makes him comfortable... shoot.... and some people fell in love with that... but it doesn't make you a contender... Paul George is clearly outplaying him, and lets be real, it is not like Paul george is lighting it up offensively either, but he does so many other things, that contribute to team cohesion and winning, which is just what we are not getting from carmelo...

yea, yea, I am going to be called a hater.. I really don't care, it is not like I am making these things up... even the biggest carmelo homer sees this, now coming to terms with it, is another thing...

I think having Felton was the only real difference this season as opposed to his first two with the Knicks.

I agree for the most part,having felton and KIDD play very well early, made a difference.. as kidd's play tanked and felton has cooled off a bit, you could see a big difference in play. George Hill is killing our backcourt..

i will add: if you understand the game and see the game properly it is clear that paul george's floor impact is many times more positive than carmelo anthony's floor impact. dude is almost invisible out there for being such a touted superstar.

And he's doing this without a high TS%

When I referred to him as the 3RD BEST SMALL FORWARD IN THE NBA 5 mos ago.....I meant it.

Knixkik wrote:I will make this short. Thank you for a fantastic run this season. Thank you for an MVP caliber season that led us to a 53-win season, division title, and a playoff series win. I'm sorry many Knicks fans don't appreciate you but don't worry it was the same with Ewing. I don't blame you for wanting to get your money back before the lockout. I would have done the same. I also know that if you could go back, you would have not opted-in so you could have become a free agent with lebron and wade and just signed with us outright in 2010. Thanks for a season that has exceeded most expectations. While I'm not satisfied, I'm happy in the fact that we are a relevant franchise again and having more success each season. Before you came we were viewed around the league as a joke. Whether you lead us to a title or not, it's been a great season and I'm looking forward to many more 50 plus win seasons, division titles, and playoff runs. Thanks.

+1. Best spring I have had in a long time.