It's Woody's fault
It's Melo's fault
It's the supporting cast's fault
If we just took Amare's $ (5th highest in the entire league) and used it to sign a star or a few other players we would be a much better team and not so reliant on Melo and JR to keep hitting crazy shots to have a shot at winning games.
I still say Mardy Collins is a bitch.
It's simple. We have gone incredibly cold, we are not rebounding and everyone has lost their confidence.
MSG3 wrote:It's simple. We have gone incredibly cold, we are not rebounding and everyone has lost their confidence.
Which means that if regression to the mean happens over the next 3 games we are golden
BTW here's a list of all the teams in NBA history that have come back from 3-1 including UGH the MFin HEAT against the Knicks
MSG3 wrote:It's simple. We have gone incredibly cold, we are not rebounding and everyone has lost their confidence.
+1000
We've seen what this team is capable of, it's just been a horrible stretch for us at the worst possible time. We can't shoot nor rebound and our defensive plan, as far as doubling every play, is allowing Indy to shoot free.
"Going cold" doesn't sell newspapers, so yes, people are overly scrutinizing. Especially Woodson. The playoffs aren't really the time to be experimenting and shuffling rotations. He's put the players in position to succeed, but winning titles is all about how reliable your best players are. JR Smith isn't anywhere near that category of player and the Knicks got a lot more out of him than anyone else. Playing Copeland and Steve Novak isn't going to change that.
The Knicks are a bad rebounding team that limits turnovers and outshoots everybody from 3. They don't have the roster to be anything other than that. It's not really news.
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:MSG3 wrote:It's simple. We have gone incredibly cold, we are not rebounding and everyone has lost their confidence.
Which means that if regression to the mean happens over the next 3 games we are golden
BTW here's a list of all the teams in NBA history that have come back from 3-1 including UGH the MFin HEAT against the Knicks
So what you're saying is that we need Kenyon Martin to throw DJ Augustin into the front row?
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:It's Woody's fault
It's Melo's fault
It's the supporting cast's faultIf we just took Amare's $ (5th highest in the entire league) and used it to sign a star or a few other players we would be a much better team and not so reliant on Melo and JR to keep hitting crazy shots to have a shot at winning games.
Getting Amare was money well spent. If we didn't get Amare, I am pretty sure we would've been going through more lean years. For more than 10 years, no one wanted to touch this team, and I didn't blame then. Amare open the door for other free agents to come here and play.
nycisgreat wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:It's Woody's fault
It's Melo's fault
It's the supporting cast's faultIf we just took Amare's $ (5th highest in the entire league) and used it to sign a star or a few other players we would be a much better team and not so reliant on Melo and JR to keep hitting crazy shots to have a shot at winning games.
Getting Amare was money well spent. If we didn't get Amare, I am pretty sure we would've been going through more lean years. For more than 10 years, no one wanted to touch this team, and I didn't blame then. Amare open the door for other free agents to come here and play.
Disagree. I like Amar'e, but he has exemplified the worst case scenario of signing him. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose, but Melo still would've targeted coming to NY.
The blame game, we were heading to the ECF's until somebody messed up!
Someone must be responsible for this? Not melo's fault!
nycisgreat wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:It's Woody's fault
It's Melo's fault
It's the supporting cast's faultIf we just took Amare's $ (5th highest in the entire league) and used it to sign a star or a few other players we would be a much better team and not so reliant on Melo and JR to keep hitting crazy shots to have a shot at winning games.
Getting Amare was money well spent. If we didn't get Amare, I am pretty sure we would've been going through more lean years. For more than 10 years, no one wanted to touch this team, and I didn't blame then. Amare open the door for other free agents to come here and play.
I wasn't saying that getting Amare was a bad move or that the logic in going out and signing him was flawed.We gambled on him staying healthy. He hasn't.
What I was saying is that it's hard for a team to lose their 2nd best player and then still go out and win a playoff series,even with good coaching, etc.
People are looking at OKC and point at Scott Brook's offense being too simple, guys like Kevin Martin and Ibaka not stepping up, etc etc. Some of them may have valid points on all that stuff.
But the simplest reason why they may not advance to the WCF might just be that their 2nd best player has a torn meniscus.
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:nycisgreat wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:It's Woody's fault
It's Melo's fault
It's the supporting cast's faultIf we just took Amare's $ (5th highest in the entire league) and used it to sign a star or a few other players we would be a much better team and not so reliant on Melo and JR to keep hitting crazy shots to have a shot at winning games.
Getting Amare was money well spent. If we didn't get Amare, I am pretty sure we would've been going through more lean years. For more than 10 years, no one wanted to touch this team, and I didn't blame then. Amare open the door for other free agents to come here and play.
I wasn't saying that getting Amare was a bad move or that the logic in going out and signing him was flawed.We gambled on him staying healthy. He hasn't.
What I was saying is that it's hard for a team to lose their 2nd best player and then still go out and win a playoff series,even with good coaching, etc.
People are looking at OKC and point at Scott Brook's offense being too simple, guys like Kevin Martin and Ibaka not stepping up, etc etc. Some of them may have valid points on all that stuff.
But the simplest reason why they may not advance to the WCF might just be that their 2nd best player has a torn meniscus.
But calling the always injured Amari our second best player, is a problem within itself.
blkexec wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:nycisgreat wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:It's Woody's fault
It's Melo's fault
It's the supporting cast's faultIf we just took Amare's $ (5th highest in the entire league) and used it to sign a star or a few other players we would be a much better team and not so reliant on Melo and JR to keep hitting crazy shots to have a shot at winning games.
Getting Amare was money well spent. If we didn't get Amare, I am pretty sure we would've been going through more lean years. For more than 10 years, no one wanted to touch this team, and I didn't blame then. Amare open the door for other free agents to come here and play.
I wasn't saying that getting Amare was a bad move or that the logic in going out and signing him was flawed.We gambled on him staying healthy. He hasn't.
What I was saying is that it's hard for a team to lose their 2nd best player and then still go out and win a playoff series,even with good coaching, etc.
People are looking at OKC and point at Scott Brook's offense being too simple, guys like Kevin Martin and Ibaka not stepping up, etc etc. Some of them may have valid points on all that stuff.
But the simplest reason why they may not advance to the WCF might just be that their 2nd best player has a torn meniscus.
But calling the always injured Amari our second best player, is a problem within itself.
Absolutely. This is a competitive league with some really smart people/organizations doing their best to build a competitive team.
Even if signing him at the time was the right move it's hard to be a legit championship contender when $20M of your cap is being paid to a guy who is not on the court.
Yes and No. My prob is with Woodson. His coaching style is to ride the veterans even if they aren't playing well. If they lose this or any series, he'll get criticized because he's the coach and that's natural but I think he feels OK about it because he can say that he played his best/experienced players. If he played a lot of the rooks/less experienced, he feels he'd be even more harshly criticized not only by fans and media but more importantly by management.
Travla wrote:Yes and No. My prob is with Woodson. His coaching style is to ride the veterans even if they aren't playing well.
If they lose this or any series, he'll get criticized because he's the coach and that's natural but I think he feels OK about it because he can say that he played his best/experienced players. If he played a lot of the rooks/less experienced, he feels he'd be even more harshly criticized not only by fans and media but more importantly by management.
Not anymore....We all can see how far riding the vets can get you. I don't think he has a choice right now. Whatever he does, he will get critized at this point. And he will return next season to coach again, unless Phil Jackson is available!
Travla wrote:Yes and No. My prob is with Woodson. His coaching style is to ride the veterans even if they aren't playing well.
If they lose this or any series, he'll get criticized because he's the coach and that's natural but I think he feels OK about it because he can say that he played his best/experienced players. If he played a lot of the rooks/less experienced, he feels he'd be even more harshly criticized not only by fans and media but more importantly by management.
I think most coaches play the vets. The Knicks don't really have any rooks. Pablo and Cope both should have played more last night in my opinion but I see them as vets. Shump was not hitting his shot, and wasn't rebounding or playing the d had been earlier in the season.
CrushAlot wrote:Travla wrote:Yes and No. My prob is with Woodson. His coaching style is to ride the veterans even if they aren't playing well.
If they lose this or any series, he'll get criticized because he's the coach and that's natural but I think he feels OK about it because he can say that he played his best/experienced players. If he played a lot of the rooks/less experienced, he feels he'd be even more harshly criticized not only by fans and media but more importantly by management.
I think most coaches play the vets. The Knicks don't really have any rooks. Pablo and Cope both should have played more last night in my opinion but I see them as vets. Shump was not hitting his shot, and wasn't rebounding or playing the d had been earlier in the season.
It was well documented that Shump had swollen knee problems and was in a lot of pain. He even told the media this, and then missed practice the next day.
So what does our brilliant coach do? Start him during the most critical game of the series. What did you expect Shump to do on a bad knee? Once it's inflammed and hurting....I said sit him for this series...Thats how long it takes to heal again. Come on Woody, I thought you were better than that.
We had healthy, hungry, proven guys on the bench ready to play.....Pablo was a huge surprise, along with Copeland. Never understood how Cope gets so much bench time, and he has turned into one of our best offensive players off the bench, when he gets it rolling.
blkexec wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Travla wrote:Yes and No. My prob is with Woodson. His coaching style is to ride the veterans even if they aren't playing well.
If they lose this or any series, he'll get criticized because he's the coach and that's natural but I think he feels OK about it because he can say that he played his best/experienced players. If he played a lot of the rooks/less experienced, he feels he'd be even more harshly criticized not only by fans and media but more importantly by management.
I think most coaches play the vets. The Knicks don't really have any rooks. Pablo and Cope both should have played more last night in my opinion but I see them as vets. Shump was not hitting his shot, and wasn't rebounding or playing the d had been earlier in the season.
It was well documented that Shump had swollen knee problems and was in a lot of pain. He even told the media this, and then missed practice the next day.
So what does our brilliant coach do? Start him during the most critical game of the series. What did you expect Shump to do on a bad knee? Once it's inflammed and hurting....I said sit him for this series...Thats how long it takes to heal again. Come on Woody, I thought you were better than that.
We had healthy, hungry, proven guys on the bench ready to play.....Pablo was a huge surprise, along with Copeland. Never understood how Cope gets so much bench time, and he has turned into one of our best offensive players off the bench, when he gets it rolling.
I don't have an issue with Woodson starting Shump. He had an MRI and was examined by a doctor. He had been playing fantastic ball up to that point. I do think he made a big mistake not starting Pablo and not getting Pablo at least 20+ minutes. I also think he should have left Cope in after he hit his three.
Travla wrote:Yes and No. My prob is with Woodson. His coaching style is to ride the veterans even if they aren't playing well. If they lose this or any series, he'll get criticized because he's the coach and that's natural but I think he feels OK about it because he can say that he played his best/experienced players. If he played a lot of the rooks/less experienced, he feels he'd be even more harshly criticized not only by fans and media but more importantly by management.
SORRY.....don't even remember re-posting this......
I think if you look at this team and our record over the season, we're pretty close to a 500 team once you take out the fast start.
And that fast start came when Jason Kidd still had something left in his tank and we were getting minutes from Wallace.
But Kidd, Wallace, Camby, KT are all gone now in one way or another - and it isn't hindsight to say that acquiring those players wasn't a move fraught with tremendous downside.
Woodsen just seems over his head anytime he gets to the playoffs. The hawks always seemed to be out competed on a regular basis. Very few teams play games in the playoffs and get blown out.
I understand he likes JR. But, the players don't like when a guy comes into a game takes a rushed shot with no one near the basket every possession. For woody not to pull the kid and let Copeland have a few jumpers isnt good coaching. Neither is having Kidd and Chandler on the court at the same time. Melo is never going to excel with Martin and Chandler playing together. You can essentially play a half ass zone and bait Melo into contested shot.because you don't need to guard our bigs.
And our gm needs to take some serious blame. When you essentially have three guys on the entire roster that can score double digits its embarrassing. Baron, White, Camby, Richardson, Novak, is that a joke?
