Knicks · Phil Jackson's new book: Michael Jordan > Kobe Bryant (page 1)

ChuckBuck @ 5/16/2013 2:59 PM
No surprise there. Just the means he goes to trash Kobe time and time again.

Some excerpts from the book. On their personalities:

"Michael was more charismatic and gregarious than Kobe. He loved hanging out with his teammates and security guards, playing cards, smoking cigars, and joking around," Jackson said in the book, which was obtained in advance by The Times.

"Kobe is different. He was reserved as a teenager, in part because he was younger than the other players and hadn't developed strong social skills in college. When Kobe first joined the Lakers, he avoided fraternizing with his teammates. But his inclination to keep to himself shifted as he grew older. Increasingly, Kobe put more energy into getting to know the other players, especially when the team was on the road."

Translation = Michael was a card playing dick that would make fun of you as you were losing the hand. Kobe was a stuck-up, spoiled, anti-social prick that after seeing Shaq win a ring without him started to become "friendlier" with the other lowlifes called teammates on the Lakers.

On their defensive abilities, and why Kobe's defense was overrated:

While Jackson coached, he often jabbed at Bryant's seemingly annual appearance on the NBA's All-Defensive team. Now we know why.

"No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender. He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense," said Jackson, who coached Jordan to six championships and Bryant to five.

"Kobe has learned a lot from studying Michael's tricks, and we often used him as our secret weapon on defense when we needed to turn the direction of a game. In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price."

Translation = Michael Jordan was the greatest 2 way player in the history of the league. Kobe often imitated Michael on the defensive end, but benefitted from having Shaq, Bynum, Pau, and Artest having his back, and allowed him to gamble more on defense.

On when their shot wasn't falling:

"Jordan was also more naturally inclined to let the game come to him and not overplay his hand, whereas Kobe tends to force the action, especially when the game isn't going his way. When his shot is off, Kobe will pound away relentlessly until his luck turns. Michael, on the other hand, would shift his attention to defense or passing or setting screens to help the team win the game."

Translation = Despite Jordan's gaudy scoring average, knew their was 4 other guys on the court, when the shot wasn't falling. Kobe would wait for the 4th defender coming his way before passing out.

On Bryant's sexual assault charge:

It "cracked open an old wound" because Jackson's daughter was the victim of an assault while on a date with an athlete in college.

"Brooke expected me to get angry and make her feel protected. Instead I suppressed my rage as I'd been conditioned to do during childhood by my parents it left her feeling alone and unsupported. (In the end, after filing a report with the police, Brooke chose not to press charges.)

"The Kobe incident triggered all my unprocessed anger and tainted my perception of him. ... It distorted my view of Kobe throughout the 2003-04 season. No matter what I did to extinguish it, the anger kept smoldering in the background."

Translation = Once a rapist, always a rapist.

On the biggest difference between the Jordan and Bryant:

Still, though, Jackson probed Bryant's leadership deficiencies compared to Jordan.

"One of the biggest differences between the two stars from my perspective was Michael's superior skills as a leader," Jackson said. "Though at times he could be hard on his teammates, Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence. Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game, but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones, as Michael had."

Translation = Kobe's all bark, no bite. All talk, no walk. Mental midget.


Good stuff from the Zenmaster!

CashMoney @ 5/16/2013 6:14 PM
JORDAN = G.O.A.T.
jrodmc @ 5/17/2013 9:45 AM
Off Topic forum maybe?
CrushAlot @ 5/17/2013 10:20 AM
Allanfan20 @ 5/17/2013 11:13 AM
Why it was necessary for Phil to do this is beyond me. Sounds like he was bored.
ChuckBuck @ 5/17/2013 11:14 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Why it was necessary for Phil to do this is beyond me. Sounds like he was bored.

Sell more books? Get some baggage off his chest while he's at it.

SupremeCommander @ 5/17/2013 11:24 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Why it was necessary for Phil to do this is beyond me. Sounds like he was bored.

Sell more books? Get some baggage off his chest while he's at it.

probably one part bored, one part sell some books, 98 parts attempting to maintain relevancy

technomaster @ 5/17/2013 11:34 AM
Fascinating.

I don't think there's much of an argument to say Kobe should be remembered as equal, let alone better than Jordan.

The only statistical areas where he exceeds him are 3pt shooting (33.6% vs 32.7%) and FT% (83.8% vs 83.5%). Jordan shot 49.7%FG for his career; Kobe's currently at 45.4%, albeit taking nearly 2.5x as many 3s, lowering his FG% a bit.

To Kobe's credit (or perhaps discredit), many of his teams were notably better than stocked with talent than Jordan's. His first 3 titles were with Shaq, playing an absurdly great 2nd fiddle. His next 2 titles with Gasol/Bynum/Odom as his wingmen were impressive, as the unquestioned lead threat on the team.

Jordan was a complete player on both ends of the floor, a DPOTY-quality defender, strong rebounder, passer, etc.

Even if Jordan never played the game, I'd group him in the upper echelon, but not necessarily the #1 swingman to play the game. A number of other candidates also come to mind.

DurzoBlint @ 5/17/2013 11:39 AM
I loved Jordan but, the whole greatest thing bothers me with I consider Wilt and Kareem.
ChuckBuck @ 5/17/2013 11:44 AM
technomaster wrote:Fascinating.

I don't think there's much of an argument to say Kobe should be remembered as equal, let alone better than Jordan.

The only statistical areas where he exceeds him are 3pt shooting (33.6% vs 32.7%) and FT% (83.8% vs 83.5%). Jordan shot 49.7%FG for his career; Kobe's currently at 45.4%, albeit taking nearly 2.5x as many 3s, lowering his FG% a bit.

To Kobe's credit (or perhaps discredit), many of his teams were notably better than stocked with talent than Jordan's. His first 3 titles were with Shaq, playing an absurdly great 2nd fiddle. His next 2 titles with Gasol/Bynum/Odom as his wingmen were impressive, as the unquestioned lead threat on the team.

Jordan was a complete player on both ends of the floor, a DPOTY-quality defender, strong rebounder, passer, etc.

Even if Jordan never played the game, I'd group him in the upper echelon, but not necessarily the #1 swingman to play the game. A number of other candidates also come to mind.

Tell that to LA Fanwagon, I mean Lakers fans. Also, younger fans that grew up watching bball just recently.

They don't know what true greatness was during the 80s and early to mid 90s with MJ, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Dr J, Bird, Isiah, Magic, Kareem, Ewing, Olajuwon etc...

All that Generation Y knows is Kobe, KD, and Lebron.

Nalod @ 5/17/2013 12:10 PM

I never read where anyone ever said Kobe was better than Jordan.

I think many do forget Jordans first 5 years and his legacy swells over time. The media also protected Mike better than Kobe.
Both are sociopath assholes.

I think While Kobe had Shaq, Jordans teams were deeper. We forget how good Ron Harper was. He was a 20ppg scorer before coming to Bulls. Kukoc was a 13-15ppg "role" player.

When you look at the rosters beyond Jordan-Pip and Kobe-Shaq I think a deeper respect for the coaching job must be given. I think the notion that Jax walked into a championship ready team is false. That was Riles Showtime legacy. Jax clearly took guys that never reached the kind of success they had before.

blkexec @ 5/17/2013 12:24 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:I loved Jordan but, the whole greatest thing bothers me with I consider Wilt and Kareem.

Yeah, it's tough to say who's the greatest. You have to break it down to certain positions.

But I look at it this way.....Who impacted the NBA the most?

BlueSeats @ 5/17/2013 1:00 PM
The moral of the story is there's only one Greatest Of All Time, and that's Phil. That's all Phil wants us to really know.

Phil is being a bitch making a second career out of throwing Kobe under the bus.

Imagine if Riley were on his second book detailing how Shaq was no Kareem, or Wade and/or Leborn are no Magic -- all while they're still winning him championships. Or Pop continuously telling us how Duncan pales to David Robinson?

I wish Phil would just fade away; what coach's job is safe while His ephemeral presence hovers, semi-available, over them like a sword of Damocles?

You've got the rings, Phil; 5 of them from Kobe. You cant stop flaunting them and declaring them yours, all yours. We get it already. Give it a freaking rest now.

jrodmc @ 5/17/2013 1:18 PM
MJ reinvented/transformed/transcended the sport after the Magic/Bird era was over and no one was all too thrilled with the ugliness of Piston basketball.
MJ playing with a vintage Shaq? As opposed to Bill Wennington/Cartright, Luc Longley, Stacy King, Wil Purdue?

I don't get the comparisons, other than the chip count.

Kobe's managed to only reinvent himself. He would really have won chips with Pippen and Dennis Rodman?

fishmike @ 5/17/2013 1:53 PM
blkexec wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:I loved Jordan but, the whole greatest thing bothers me with I consider Wilt and Kareem.

Yeah, it's tough to say who's the greatest. You have to break it down to certain positions.

But I look at it this way.....Who impacted the NBA the most?

Jordan more than Kareem and Wilt. Problem with those centers is they were so physically superior. Its like a pitcher who can throw 100mph when the next fastest guy throws 88.

Kobe is the best closer of HIS era, but (as I might have mentioned w/ Melo) he's volume guy and you cant build a contender around that type of scoring. Give him a high FG% running mate like Shaq or Gasol etc to lean on and do I believe Kobe has earned that title of best closer. Probably the best guard since MJ as well, but that doesnt make him close to MJ. Clearly a tier below as most everyone is. The only comparison to MJ is the old guys like Wilt and Kareem. Lebron will be there if he wins 3-4 titles

DurzoBlint @ 5/17/2013 2:51 PM
blkexec wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:I loved Jordan but, the whole greatest thing bothers me with I consider Wilt and Kareem.

Yeah, it's tough to say who's the greatest. You have to break it down to certain positions.

But I look at it this way.....Who impacted the NBA the most?

there is NO QUESTION about that. Mike took the NBA Global. There were WARS in Asia that actually went on Pause during Bulls games.

Nalod @ 5/17/2013 3:21 PM
I don't think Phil is throwing Kobe under the "Buss" like Chuck is.

Just saying they are different. Kobe knows he ain't Mike. To be discussed is honorable enough.

DurzoBlint @ 5/17/2013 3:31 PM
Nalod wrote:I don't think Phil is throwing Kobe under the "Buss" like Chuck is.

Just saying they are different. Kobe knows he ain't Mike. To be discussed is honorable enough.

I think the fact that he admitted that his personal issues got the better of him after the Rape issue. Said they colored his perception of Kobe which, might explain the scathing remarks he made about Kobe in his first book. After he returned to the Lakers which, must have been awkward at first

Nalod @ 5/17/2013 3:34 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Nalod wrote:I don't think Phil is throwing Kobe under the "Buss" like Chuck is.

Just saying they are different. Kobe knows he ain't Mike. To be discussed is honorable enough.

I think the fact that he admitted that his personal issues got the better of him after the Rape issue. Said they colored his perception of Kobe which, might explain the scathing remarks he made about Kobe in his first book. After he returned to the Lakers which, must have been awkward at first

I think phil was honest to say because of his daughters scenario he had a problem with Kobe. Phil and Kobe seemed to be ok after while. Time heals wounds.

BlueSeats @ 5/17/2013 4:20 PM
I think it's strange that after 7 years and 5 rings together the best Phil can do is to negatively compare Kobe to MJ in every facet. Maybe there are some compliments in the book but I see none in the excerpts.

I don't think it speaks well of a "spiritual Master".

IronWillGiroud @ 5/17/2013 6:37 PM
spiritual masters gotta move product too
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