Knicks · why keep woodson if he can't win in the playoffs (page 1)
His 18-28 career playoff winning % is a testament.
I listen to STEPHEN A interview woodson the other day and he asked him all the question we basically had.
He had no solid reason for not playing cope in the boston series (the one team cope played really well against this season) or up until then, " i didnt want to put pressure on the rook" REALLY!!
He owned up to the blunder of benching prigs, but countered it with "KIDDD has been big for us this season..wtf this is the playoffs
This was the kicker, when asked if he was concerned about melo's late TO's in game 5 (knicks up 9) when he dribble into traffic ( same 2 TO's in game 6) and holding the ball to long He responded by saying "MELO IS A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO AND I WONT COMMENT ON IT AGAIN"
Maybe if he said something about it, melo would not have done the same brain lapsing plays in the next game..
He sucks offensively like MDA sucked defensively, there's no way in the world he and melo together can win a title.. He is going to let melo do what ever he wants with little accountability, which is the reason MDA though up his hands and said you could have this guy, same reason Karl wasn't going to beg melo to stay in denver..
I give woodson credit, great regular season, he put the knicks back a top the conference, but thats not going to cut it when we haven't won a title in 2 generations.
CrushAlot wrote:I think any Knick coaches job is on the line if PJax wants it. However, I don't see the fire Woodson stuff. Knicks had their best season in 14 years and now its time to fire the coach. A lot of guys have passed through his seat and stunk the place up. The Knicks won a lot more then they have in almost two decades.
Dolan isn't hiring PJax...Woody won 54 games last year...He will be back...Silly to even question it..
holfresh wrote:I agree.CrushAlot wrote:I think any Knick coaches job is on the line if PJax wants it. However, I don't see the fire Woodson stuff. Knicks had their best season in 14 years and now its time to fire the coach. A lot of guys have passed through his seat and stunk the place up. The Knicks won a lot more then they have in almost two decades.Dolan isn't hiring PJax...Woody won 54 games last year...He will be back...Silly to even question it..
Chaney
Herb
Isiah
larry
wilkens
MDA
Woodson
8 coaches in 12 years and we think another will do the trick?
You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
knicks1248 wrote:Nix never saw any of D'Antoni's faults. If the players just would do what mike taught them to... Four years of that makes it hard to view him as objective when he talks about Woodson. There have also been a lot of this on Woody posts recently.holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
If MDA had Woodson results of going 73-34 since the previous coach left, Nix would erect a stature of MDA at MSG...He is clearly biased trying to downplay Woody's accomplishments to make MDA's tenure look palatable...Results don't mean what it use to I guess..
holfresh wrote:knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
If MDA had Woodson results of going 73-34 since the previous coach left, Nix would erect a stature of MDA at MSG...He is clearly biased trying to downplay Woody's accomplishments to make MDA's tenure look palatable...Results don't mean what it use to I guess..
So you think MDA did a horrible job during a re-building phase.
If i hired a coach and told him i'm going to tear up the team for the next 2 season, don't worry about winning, does that make him a bad coach..
When you do start to get on track, i tear it up again and tell you ownership decided to go in another direction..I know you succeeded with a top PG and I know your system is base on heavy ball movement as oppose to a ball hogging sf, but see what you can do with this guy melo, he can score, oh BTW, Amare plays similar to melo and tyson isn't much of a offensive threat and worst off, we traded your pg that was running your system pretty well, have fun getting that to work..
Hey mike, good job making the playoffs in yr 3 despite 2 roster make overs in a 3 months span..
It really amazing how some of you look at woodson and MDA and think that woodson is doing a far better job then mda with absolutely different circumstances..
We all know Melo and Tyson are not MDA type players and at then end of this season, there not Woodson (who uses a lot of mda plays) type players as well..Melo doesnt pass, and tyson his a clog in almost any offensse.
knicks1248 wrote:It started with 18-6 versus 18-24 with the same roster. I am not going to go there now but D'Antoni was horrible.holfresh wrote:knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
If MDA had Woodson results of going 73-34 since the previous coach left, Nix would erect a stature of MDA at MSG...He is clearly biased trying to downplay Woody's accomplishments to make MDA's tenure look palatable...Results don't mean what it use to I guess..
So you think MDA did a horrible job during a re-building phase.If i hired a coach and told him i'm going to tear up the team for the next 2 season, don't worry about winning, does that make him a bad coach..
When you do start to get on track, i tear it up again and tell you ownership decided to go in another direction..I know you succeeded with a top PG and I know your system is base on heavy ball movement as oppose to a ball hogging sf, but see what you can do with this guy melo, he can score, oh BTW, Amare plays similar to melo and tyson isn't much of a offensive threat and worst off, we traded your pg that was running your system pretty well, have fun getting that to work..
Hey mike, good job making the playoffs in yr 3 despite 2 roster make overs in a 3 months span..
It really amazing how some of you look at woodson and MDA and think that woodson is doing a far better job then mda with absolutely different circumstances..
We all know Melo and Tyson are not MDA type players and at then end of this season, there not Woodson (who uses a lot of mda plays) type players as well..Melo doesnt pass, and tyson his a clog in almost any offensse.
CrushAlot wrote:I think any Knick coaches job is on the line if PJax wants it. However, I don't see the fire Woodson stuff. Knicks had their best season in 14 years and now its time to fire the coach. A lot of guys have passed through his seat and stunk the place up. The Knicks won a lot more then they have in almost two decades.
The point is simple. We aren't ignoring Woodson's great regular season record with us and his accomplishments. Its all good. But isn't the main goal winning a championship? Winning in the playoffs?
If so, you only have to see this playoff run and Woordon's track record to start thinking that Woodson is not the man to get the job done.
Wanna waste a few more years trying? Ok, but if the results are similar even with an improved roster, you know where you need change.
Not saying this is all on Woodson. Many players disappointed. But who kept calling their numbers and giving them heavy minutes? Who didn't adjust his gameplan? Who didn't hold players accountable like he said he would?
knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
If MDA had Woodson results of going 73-34 since the previous coach left, Nix would erect a stature of MDA at MSG...He is clearly biased trying to downplay Woody's accomplishments to make MDA's tenure look palatable...Results don't mean what it use to I guess..
So you think MDA did a horrible job during a re-building phase.If i hired a coach and told him i'm going to tear up the team for the next 2 season, don't worry about winning, does that make him a bad coach..
When you do start to get on track, i tear it up again and tell you ownership decided to go in another direction..I know you succeeded with a top PG and I know your system is base on heavy ball movement as oppose to a ball hogging sf, but see what you can do with this guy melo, he can score, oh BTW, Amare plays similar to melo and tyson isn't much of a offensive threat and worst off, we traded your pg that was running your system pretty well, have fun getting that to work..
Hey mike, good job making the playoffs in yr 3 despite 2 roster make overs in a 3 months span..
It really amazing how some of you look at woodson and MDA and think that woodson is doing a far better job then mda with absolutely different circumstances..
We all know Melo and Tyson are not MDA type players and at then end of this season, there not Woodson (who uses a lot of mda plays) type players as well..Melo doesnt pass, and tyson his a clog in almost any offensse.
OK..we will disagree on this..But I don't know of one NBA team who tells its coach don't worry about wins...By the way, I judge coaches by whether or not the coach utilizes his pieces to the best of their abilities and does his team exceed expectations...Can MDA be judged by these two criteria and if so, what would your grade be for both???
CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:It started with 18-6 versus 18-24 with the same roster. I am not going to go there now but D'Antoni was horrible.holfresh wrote:knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
If MDA had Woodson results of going 73-34 since the previous coach left, Nix would erect a stature of MDA at MSG...He is clearly biased trying to downplay Woody's accomplishments to make MDA's tenure look palatable...Results don't mean what it use to I guess..
So you think MDA did a horrible job during a re-building phase.If i hired a coach and told him i'm going to tear up the team for the next 2 season, don't worry about winning, does that make him a bad coach..
When you do start to get on track, i tear it up again and tell you ownership decided to go in another direction..I know you succeeded with a top PG and I know your system is base on heavy ball movement as oppose to a ball hogging sf, but see what you can do with this guy melo, he can score, oh BTW, Amare plays similar to melo and tyson isn't much of a offensive threat and worst off, we traded your pg that was running your system pretty well, have fun getting that to work..
Hey mike, good job making the playoffs in yr 3 despite 2 roster make overs in a 3 months span..
It really amazing how some of you look at woodson and MDA and think that woodson is doing a far better job then mda with absolutely different circumstances..
We all know Melo and Tyson are not MDA type players and at then end of this season, there not Woodson (who uses a lot of mda plays) type players as well..Melo doesnt pass, and tyson his a clog in almost any offensse.
It started with tony douglas has our starting pg and melo not playing hard as he admitted, your star player giving a half ass effort cause he was not getting the ball enough, or because he was force to pass more and be a facilitator..
Cmon don't get it twisted..
holfresh wrote:knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:I can't say that Woodson should be fired, but you do have to be concerned with his Playoff performances. He just seems to be totally outclassed in the playoffs every year. There are a boat load of issues I have with the job he did in this postseason. I don't really care about the regular season. It's not like he was given a bad team. This was the team he wanted too let's not forget. He went on and on about having a totally vet team this time rather than the young team he had in ATL. Then he goes out and wears out Kidd when he had Prigs on the bench with fresh legs. That was the whole reason for having Prigs, which was to keep Kidd from having to log heavy minutes and save him for the playoffs. Woody didn't do that. He killed his own guy.You could say the same thing about his use of Copeland and Novak. If you have a guy like Cope who has shown time and again that he has skills you can't forget about him. With Novak once teams figured him out, you have to look for ways to shake him loose in your offense. He can't just stand there with a guy glued to him. You have to run a great shooter like him off some curls, double screens, PnP etc. You make it hard for the other team to just sit on him. Part of the reason he was asked to just stand there was due to Melo who wants to have his ISO's and you can't have guys moving when he's doing that. The only time we had a lot of Motion was when Melo wasn't on the floor. This was the issue with Melo and Karl and MDA. They wanted the ball and player movement and not have the ball stop and thus the players stop. Woody should've done a better job convincing Melo that this was the right thing for the team. All he had to do was play tape of how Melo played in the Olympics. He was actually playing within the offense off catch and shoot and not holding the ball every time.
Woody was supposed to be Mr. Accountability but you really didn't see that in every case this year. He seemed to really have a lot of slippage with the exception of Cope who he had no problem benching for the smallest infraction. Woody needed to crack the whip on JR and Tyson and to make Melo realize that he needed to play more team ball at times.
Woody didn't have a perfect situation here with the injury problem to our bigs, but it was far from a total breakdown of his team. He had enough to win with but he seems to lack creativity and an ability to make timely adjustments IMO. His teams fall into the same kind of issues. ISO JOE or ISO MELO or ISO JR whatever... His team had 2 games where they actually played team ball for any significant amount of time in the playoffs. Whenever they actually ran solid sets the team was successful. They just never really stuck with a team concept.
Until u man up in MDA..U should have nothing to say on Woodson...
why you say that?
If MDA had Woodson results of going 73-34 since the previous coach left, Nix would erect a stature of MDA at MSG...He is clearly biased trying to downplay Woody's accomplishments to make MDA's tenure look palatable...Results don't mean what it use to I guess..
So you think MDA did a horrible job during a re-building phase.If i hired a coach and told him i'm going to tear up the team for the next 2 season, don't worry about winning, does that make him a bad coach..
When you do start to get on track, i tear it up again and tell you ownership decided to go in another direction..I know you succeeded with a top PG and I know your system is base on heavy ball movement as oppose to a ball hogging sf, but see what you can do with this guy melo, he can score, oh BTW, Amare plays similar to melo and tyson isn't much of a offensive threat and worst off, we traded your pg that was running your system pretty well, have fun getting that to work..
Hey mike, good job making the playoffs in yr 3 despite 2 roster make overs in a 3 months span..
It really amazing how some of you look at woodson and MDA and think that woodson is doing a far better job then mda with absolutely different circumstances..
We all know Melo and Tyson are not MDA type players and at then end of this season, there not Woodson (who uses a lot of mda plays) type players as well..Melo doesnt pass, and tyson his a clog in almost any offensse.
OK..we will disagree on this..But I don't know of one NBA team who tells its coach don't worry about winning...By the way, I judge coaches by whether or not the coach utilizes his pieces to the best of their abilities and does his team exceed expectations...Can MDA be judged by these two criteria and if so, what would your grade be for both???
Woodson:
not using cope or novak, benching prigs, putting tyson back in the game when you went on a 12-2 run with out him, not demanding melo to move the ball, living and dying with two struggling players when your down in a playoff series..
GRADE D
MDA
No pg, entering each playoff run with a injury riddle team,
GRADE INCOMPLETE
knicks1248 wrote:Woodson:not using cope or novak, benching prigs, putting tyson back in the game when you went on a 12-2 run with out him, not demanding melo to move the ball, living and dying with two struggling players when your down in a playoff series..
GRADE D
MDA
No pg, entering each playoff run with a injury riddle team,
GRADE INCOMPLETE
knicks1248 wrote:whats has woods done in his 2 playoff appearances with the knicks/hawks that makes you feel he is capable of winning a title here..
Novak was waived by the Spurs. I guess Greg Popovich didnt know how to properly utilize him. 
Prigioni was getting beat off the dribble and ABUSED by Hill and Stephenson.
You giving D'Antoni a pass is just shameful.