TeamBall wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:TeamBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:Ref's do influence the way teams play and it's ridiculous that there's a lack of consistency even within games. Why are some players and teams allowed to play differently than the rest of the league? I have no idea who will win the Pacers/Heat series, because I have no idea how the ref's are going to call it (will Hibbert still be allowed to 'go straight up'? Will Lebron be given FTs if they try getting physical?). Sad that it's come to this.
If he does try to go up the same way, it'll be interesting to hear the explanation for why those are suddenly fouls.
I think Lebron takes a lot of hits at the rim but I do think they call a lot of reach ins for him in the post or in iso.
You think they'll let Hibbert get away with the same things at the rim? I do agree with the reach ins and possible blocking fouls even though Lebron lowers his shoulder more often than not. Paul George is guarding Lebron right?
Who knows. I guess we will see but it won't matter either way.
smackeddog wrote:3G4G wrote:
Come on 3G- can you honestly not see Hibbert kneeing Melo in the balls with an out stretched leg while he 'goes straight up'?
I thought you were going to say hitting Melo's knee with his foot. It looks like Hibbert's knee is about 4 inches away from his groin. Clearly, most of the contact Melo absorbed was from Pablo!
3G4G wrote:
Oh man, watching that again makes me wish Melo had found a way to slam it down- would of been the highlight play of the year and a big momentum changer for the series.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:does attacking the rims get you more fouls?
Yes
do fouls not occur on jump shots, reach ins, and etc
Occasionally
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...
That's a spreadsheet I just put together. It compares FTA to shots at the rim, shots at the rim, and combined rim shots and paint shots. It also has pace adjusted numbers. A couple of highlights:
1. FTA/Shot at the rim: The league average is 0.82 and the Knicks were at 0.84 ranked 15th
2. FTA/Shot in the paint: The league average is 1.86 and the Knicks were at 3.52 ranked 1st by a large margin. The Rockets were 2nd with 2.63.
3. FTA/Rim and Paint combined: The league average is 0.57 and the Knicks were at 0.68 ranked 3rd behind the Lakers and Thunder.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:does attacking the rims get you more fouls?
Yes
do fouls not occur on jump shots, reach ins, and etc
Occasionally
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...
That's a spreadsheet I just put together. It compares FTA to shots at the rim, shots at the rim, and combined rim shots and paint shots. It also has pace adjusted numbers. A couple of highlights:
1. FTA/Shot at the rim: The league average is 0.82 and the Knicks were at 0.84 ranked 15th
2. FTA/Shot in the paint: The league average is 1.86 and the Knicks were at 3.52 ranked 1st by a large margin. The Rockets were 2nd with 2.63.
3. FTA/Rim and Paint combined: The league average is 0.57 and the Knicks were at 0.68 ranked 3rd behind the Lakers and Thunder.
So that would mean the Knicks are getting far
more foul calls when they go into the paint than most teams get, right?
Were those #s for the playoffs or the regular season?
smackeddog wrote:3G4G wrote:
Oh man, watching that again makes me wish Melo had found a way to slam it down- would of been the highlight play of the year and a big momentum changer for the series.
Or he could have pulled up for a short jumper from the corner, you have to respect height sometime in a series. 2 POINTS IS 2 POINTS
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:does attacking the rims get you more fouls?
Yes
do fouls not occur on jump shots, reach ins, and etc
Occasionally
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...
That's a spreadsheet I just put together. It compares FTA to shots at the rim, shots at the rim, and combined rim shots and paint shots. It also has pace adjusted numbers. A couple of highlights:
1. FTA/Shot at the rim: The league average is 0.82 and the Knicks were at 0.84 ranked 15th
2. FTA/Shot in the paint: The league average is 1.86 and the Knicks were at 3.52 ranked 1st by a large margin. The Rockets were 2nd with 2.63.
3. FTA/Rim and Paint combined: The league average is 0.57 and the Knicks were at 0.68 ranked 3rd behind the Lakers and Thunder.
So that would mean the Knicks are getting far more foul calls when they go into the paint than most teams get, right?
Were those #s for the playoffs or the regular season?
Regular season. We're average at getting FTs when we shoot at the rim but we get far more calls when we shoot in the paint.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:does attacking the rims get you more fouls?
Yes
do fouls not occur on jump shots, reach ins, and etc
Occasionally
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...
That's a spreadsheet I just put together. It compares FTA to shots at the rim, shots at the rim, and combined rim shots and paint shots. It also has pace adjusted numbers. A couple of highlights:
1. FTA/Shot at the rim: The league average is 0.82 and the Knicks were at 0.84 ranked 15th
2. FTA/Shot in the paint: The league average is 1.86 and the Knicks were at 3.52 ranked 1st by a large margin. The Rockets were 2nd with 2.63.
3. FTA/Rim and Paint combined: The league average is 0.57 and the Knicks were at 0.68 ranked 3rd behind the Lakers and Thunder.
So that would mean the Knicks are getting far more foul calls when they go into the paint than most teams get, right?
Were those #s for the playoffs or the regular season?
Regular season. We're average at getting FTs when we shoot at the rim but we get far more calls when we shoot in the paint.
After reading this board, I never would have guessed that. Maybe Lebron and Wade are wishing their team got the calls we do!
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:does attacking the rims get you more fouls?
Yes
do fouls not occur on jump shots, reach ins, and etc
Occasionally
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...
That's a spreadsheet I just put together. It compares FTA to shots at the rim, shots at the rim, and combined rim shots and paint shots. It also has pace adjusted numbers. A couple of highlights:
1. FTA/Shot at the rim: The league average is 0.82 and the Knicks were at 0.84 ranked 15th
2. FTA/Shot in the paint: The league average is 1.86 and the Knicks were at 3.52 ranked 1st by a large margin. The Rockets were 2nd with 2.63.
3. FTA/Rim and Paint combined: The league average is 0.57 and the Knicks were at 0.68 ranked 3rd behind the Lakers and Thunder.
So that would mean the Knicks are getting far more foul calls when they go into the paint than most teams get, right?
Were those #s for the playoffs or the regular season?
Regular season. We're average at getting FTs when we shoot at the rim but we get far more calls when we shoot in the paint.
After reading this board, I never would have guessed that. Maybe Lebron and Wade are wishing their team got the calls we do!
Lol, yeah.
The other thing I just noticed is that we're below average at taking shots at the rim, ranked 23 between the Hawks and Nets, and we're dead last at shots in the paint. We took only 491 (6/game) shots in the paint while the team above us, Portland, took 730 (8.9/game). Combined, we were also last with 2548 combined shots (31/game) ranked just behind Miami which took 2802 shots (34/game).
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:does attacking the rims get you more fouls?
Yes
do fouls not occur on jump shots, reach ins, and etc
Occasionally
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...
That's a spreadsheet I just put together. It compares FTA to shots at the rim, shots at the rim, and combined rim shots and paint shots. It also has pace adjusted numbers. A couple of highlights:
1. FTA/Shot at the rim: The league average is 0.82 and the Knicks were at 0.84 ranked 15th
2. FTA/Shot in the paint: The league average is 1.86 and the Knicks were at 3.52 ranked 1st by a large margin. The Rockets were 2nd with 2.63.
3. FTA/Rim and Paint combined: The league average is 0.57 and the Knicks were at 0.68 ranked 3rd behind the Lakers and Thunder.
So that would mean the Knicks are getting far more foul calls when they go into the paint than most teams get, right?
Were those #s for the playoffs or the regular season?
Regular season. We're average at getting FTs when we shoot at the rim but we get far more calls when we shoot in the paint.
After reading this board, I never would have guessed that. Maybe Lebron and Wade are wishing their team got the calls we do!
If you changed your mind set to HOIST UP higher percentage shots and you make them probably takes the foul calling guess work out of the game...but hey what do we know...
Maybe it makes sense to sour grape all the way until next season..
three things:
1. people here are too focused on what calls the Knicks didn't get when they were on offense. the true issue in the series was that the Pacers were allowed to be way more physical on defense than we were. i'm fine with all the no-calls on Hibbert if Chandler is awarded the same benefit.
2. the lopsided officiating should have been called out by Woodson. all of the great coaches make officiating a subject in the media. they get fined for criticizing the refs, but if you feel like you're getting the raw deal with officiating, you want the refs to be scrutinized. it's a psychological game that Phil Jackson played all the time. watch how Spoelstra handles it.
3. the league needs to abolish foul outs. the personal foul limit on players really magnifies the effect of even just one bad call. it can force coaches to take out an important player for an entire quarter. it can completely throw off a team's rotation. the NBA is already one of the most difficult leagues to officiate. this might be the biggest way a bad call can effect a game.
