Knicks · Boeheim rips Melo’s teammates (page 2)

it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

Melo blew in the playoffs, yes. At the same time, he literally had no help.

Both are true. The other guys making $20 mill and $15 mill didn't show up for us this season is why the Knicks are on vacay.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

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Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

I think you're right that he figures that. The problem is that he couldn't be more incorrect. His teammates actually shot better than he did. He even called this the best team he's played on and said he's going to stop caring about scoring.

Him calling it the best team means nothing. I expect that. Look at the roster player by player, do u really believe a team with JR Smith as its 2nd best scorer is underachieving losing in the 2nd round

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

So Melo is expected to win as the only star on a team but Lebron can play with Wade and Bosh and thats acceptable

Maybe if they had any kind of defensive rebounding other than Melo but that wasn't a real problem. the Knicks were a good defensive rebounding team in the regular season.

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Their teams may be bad but that doesn't mean they are bad.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Their teams may be bad but that doesn't mean they are bad.

oh okay that's like Tyson maybe an Olympian but that doesn't mean he's an Olympian.

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

'
Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Boeheim seems like a father defending his son. Understandable.

BUT...His remarks while a little extreme has a lot of truths in it. The team around Melo right now is not good enough to take them to the ECF. That is fact. Another fact, they will have to be extremely lucky to upgrade this team if you keep Melo. There is just nothing in the Knicks cubbard to fetch better players. This is when Knicks really have to cut ties so they can get maximum value for Melo.

Blow it the fuck up!

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Their teams may be bad but that doesn't mean they are bad.

oh okay that's like Tyson maybe an Olympian but that doesn't mean he's an Olympian.

huh?
I meant their teams may be bad bad but the superstar players still played like superstars

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

So Melo is expected to win as the only star on a team but Lebron can play with Wade and Bosh and thats acceptable

Melo if everbody body on this team can be fortunate to take 28 shots miss 20 and scream I have no help, we would be scratching our head like these guys suck..

Felton miss 7 shots on 7 attemps how is that worst then a player who takes 25 shots and missed 17..

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

'
Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Melo gets the brunt of the blame. Deservedly so.

If Melo's Robin though, who's Batman? We had a 2nd and 3rd option, but no post option to be seen or heard from...

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

So Melo is expected to win as the only star on a team but Lebron can play with Wade and Bosh and thats acceptable

No MElo is expected to PLAY LIKE A STAR. Thats where your arguement falls short dude.

Did Durant SUCK in the playoffs? No. Did Lebron shoot 37% when he lost? No.

When Melo PERFORMS like a STAR and the Knicks lose I wont lump blame.

But when your STAR shoots a combined 58-155 in 6 playoff losses (thats 37% FGs for those at home) you LOST BECAUSE OF HIM, not be confused with losing IN SPITE OF HIM.

So pretty please, with sugar on top, what up and spare us your donkee logic. Melo played like crap and the Knicks lost. When the guy you lean on the most stinks your not going to win. End of story.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Their teams may be bad but that doesn't mean they are bad.

oh okay that's like Tyson maybe an Olympian but that doesn't mean he's an Olympian.

huh?
I meant their teams may be bad bad but the superstar players still played like superstars

does that give them comfort when their team miss the playoffs or exit the playoffs. I agree Melo needs to play a lot better but I also believe others need to play better.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

Please.....

Game 1 Knicks lose 102-95
Melo scores 27 on 10 for 28 shooting. Also grabs 11 rebounds and has 1 steal
Tyson Chandler scores 4 points gets 2 blocks and 3 boards
Shumpert shoots 4 of 11
JR Smith shoots 4 for 15 .267

Game 3 Knicks lose 82-71
Melo scores 21 on 6 of 16 shooting, grabs 5 boards
Felton goes 1 for 8 from the field
JR Smith shoots 4 for 12

Game 4 Knicks lose 93-82
Melo the ball hog shoots 9 for 23 scoring 24 points and only grabs 9 boards
JR Smith shoots 7 for 22 puts up 10 threes and manages to hit 3.

Game 1, sure if Melo has a better shooting night maybe we pull it off. He did however lead the team in rebounding as in trying to help in other ways.
Game 3, Let's give Melo an 8 for 16 night a nice 50% from the field. Melo scores 4 more points and we lose 82-75.
Game 4, Let's give Melo 12 for 23 shooting. Add 6 points to our total and we lose 93-88.

You're right....dude is a bum! Had he shot 60% from the field we'd be heading to Miami.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

'
Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Melo gets the brunt of the blame. Deservedly so.

If Melo's Robin though, who's Batman? We had a 2nd and 3rd option, but no post option to be seen or heard from...

honestly its hard to see us as not being phucked. Where is the other guy we are building around coming from? Amare is done. Tyson isnt getting better and gives you zero on offense, role player. Shump has great potential as a 3rd scorer, lock down defender... core player but still a role player. You have seen the best of Felton. He had a good playoffs over all but he's another role player scrapheap guy.

So we are Denver. Not good enough to advance in the playoffs, but good enough to get there every year. NBA purgatory.

Seriously.. Melo is a good player but tell me something about this team's future to be excited about.

Worst thing to ever happen for Melo was Dolan letting Lin go. If Lin was here and the same thing happens then not all the blame will go his way. Lin would get equal blame.

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

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Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Melo gets the brunt of the blame. Deservedly so.

If Melo's Robin though, who's Batman? We had a 2nd and 3rd option, but no post option to be seen or heard from...

honestly its hard to see us as not being phucked. Where is the other guy we are building around coming from? Amare is done. Tyson isnt getting better and gives you zero on offense, role player. Shump has great potential as a 3rd scorer, lock down defender... core player but still a role player. You have seen the best of Felton. He had a good playoffs over all but he's another role player scrapheap guy.

So we are Denver. Not good enough to advance in the playoffs, but good enough to get there every year. NBA purgatory.

Seriously.. Melo is a good player but tell me something about this team's future to be excited about.

I feel you. We have to do something about the 4 and 5 spot, those are our 2 glaring holes.

I blame the knicks.

Its a team game. Melo is the most potent weapon we have. Blame must be assigned and the media is good to make more out of it then need be.

What Is the internal problem if any? Was woody calling for some things and Melo not following his coach? Was this why Tyson was making comments?

But in the end it was a good season not a disaster some make it out to be. seems like most of you need someone to blame. The coach, Melo, Tyson/Smith, etc.

Boeheim makes his comments from the "carmelo anthony" athletic complex. Its great he sticks up for his former players. Looks good when recuiting!

Its same old-same old around here. Keep blaming but rarely giving credit to Indy who just flat out beat us.

Melo did what he does and its true we don't have the players on this team.

Nalod hate? Naw, I just think you don't "build around" Melo, you build "With him"! If you deplete your trade/draft assets for him and "win now" and really not make a big splash then its all questionable.

I said I'd give it 5 years to determine. we in this 2.5 years, or three playoffs so far.

We can't say what the alternative would be if we don't make that trade, but two first round bounces and a second round (I don't know, was it really that close?) don't look like "win now" to me.

Looks like "Oh shit, Nyets moving to brooklyn and they are gonna trade for Melo! Lets renovate the arena and get him!!!!?

It all gets sorted on the court, not on paper. But Paper sells tickets and advertisement space!

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

If we had a 27 year old Amare that was putting up 25ppg on 52% shooting as our #1 option it would be different. Regular season does not = playoffs. Our team reminds me of the Hawks of the 90s. Good players.. Steve Smith, Mookie Blaylock, Kevin Willis... good enough to win 50ish games a year and good enough to get bounced in round 1 or 2 every year. You can see the Knicks building this kind of team

Yeah...We would be two games over .500...

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

If we had a 27 year old Amare that was putting up 25ppg on 52% shooting as our #1 option it would be different. Regular season does not = playoffs. Our team reminds me of the Hawks of the 90s. Good players.. Steve Smith, Mookie Blaylock, Kevin Willis... good enough to win 50ish games a year and good enough to get bounced in round 1 or 2 every year. You can see the Knicks building this kind of team

Yeah...We would be two games over .500...

No melo trade that team is cryogenetically frozen for all enternity?

No draft picks, no cap space, no trades?