CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
As far as his shooting is concerned - which is something a lot of us has killed him for - his shoulder is the issue. I'd have to believe he doesnt shoot that poorly if not for the injury. We also dont know if he needs surgery. He very well could. Theres also no way you truly believe that his shooting motion would not be effected by the pain from the tear. You need both arms to go through the shooting motion and when you have a tear in your shoulder, whether its on the shooting arm or not, its gonna effect something.
When you look at his month of April and see that he was shooting close to 60% pre injury that makes sense. His shooting tailed off when his shoulder got hurt.
Yeah just checked it out. Its seems pretty apparent. Kinda makes me hate David West...
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
Remember he hurt it before the season ended. It looked like it popped out. A tear is different. Can't imagine having that and Garnett and West tugging and banging it. He didn't bring it up because he wasn't making excuses. It was obvious it hurt him, the media brought it up.
he says he felt it pop out. but when you tear something in the shoulder area it does feel like a pop and you can even hear a pop. but neither of those things is the same as an dislocation. if it was you would see a reaction that we saw from haslem a couple of seasons ago and of course that former indiana pacer great dale davis. you remember the look: the player is bent over with the arm hanging straight down.
we didn't see melo react that way so far as i can recall.
CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.
The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..
Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh
Are you kidding? He was shooting at almost 60 % from the field in April prior to David West hurting his shoulder in the third to last game of the season. Guy plays through that and you question him.
damn right im questioning him, and I'm not talking about the regular season..
TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
As far as his shooting is concerned - which is something a lot of us has killed him for - his shoulder is the issue. I'd have to believe he doesnt shoot that poorly if not for the injury. We also dont know if he needs surgery. He very well could. Theres also no way you truly believe that his shooting motion would not be effected by the pain from the tear. You need both arms to go through the shooting motion and when you have a tear in your shoulder, whether its on the shooting arm or not, its gonna effect something.
no i disagree i saw a guy who maintained a beautiful shooting form. he does have a pretty jumpshot. nothing i saw conveyed he was somehow favoring it.
dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
I think I will take the word of Reggie Miller when he went in depth about how, although not his shooting arm, still has a great effect on his shooting. I will also take my knowledge of taking 3 years of medical classes as well.
Thanks for the information though.
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
As far as his shooting is concerned - which is something a lot of us has killed him for - his shoulder is the issue. I'd have to believe he doesnt shoot that poorly if not for the injury. We also dont know if he needs surgery. He very well could. Theres also no way you truly believe that his shooting motion would not be effected by the pain from the tear. You need both arms to go through the shooting motion and when you have a tear in your shoulder, whether its on the shooting arm or not, its gonna effect something.
no i disagree i saw a guy who maintained a beautiful shooting form. he does have a pretty jumpshot. nothing i saw conveyed he was somehow favoring it.
You're not always gonna be able to see it though. Im obviously not in the NBA but ive played with a broken finger. Maintained the same shooting form and everything and I still missed a big chunk of jumpers I usually make. Having even just the tiniest thing off can change the outcome of the shot.
why wouldn't you be concern about a player who's playing hard but not smart..
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
As far as his shooting is concerned - which is something a lot of us has killed him for - his shoulder is the issue. I'd have to believe he doesnt shoot that poorly if not for the injury. We also dont know if he needs surgery. He very well could. Theres also no way you truly believe that his shooting motion would not be effected by the pain from the tear. You need both arms to go through the shooting motion and when you have a tear in your shoulder, whether its on the shooting arm or not, its gonna effect something.
no i disagree i saw a guy who maintained a beautiful shooting form. he does have a pretty jumpshot. nothing i saw conveyed he was somehow favoring it.
Reggie Miller disagreed with you.
I'm was more concerned about the shoulder affecting his pnr handling. He favored his right hand and rarely went left which made it very easy to cover him off the pnr. Also, you could see him rebound with one hand during the pacerz series alot but yet he rebounded better than a 7.1 guy. go figure
TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
As far as his shooting is concerned - which is something a lot of us has killed him for - his shoulder is the issue. I'd have to believe he doesnt shoot that poorly if not for the injury. We also dont know if he needs surgery. He very well could. Theres also no way you truly believe that his shooting motion would not be effected by the pain from the tear. You need both arms to go through the shooting motion and when you have a tear in your shoulder, whether its on the shooting arm or not, its gonna effect something.
no i disagree i saw a guy who maintained a beautiful shooting form. he does have a pretty jumpshot. nothing i saw conveyed he was somehow favoring it.
You're not always gonna be able to see it though. Im obviously not in the NBA but ive played with a broken finger. Maintained the same shooting form and everything and I still missed a big chunk of jumpers I usually make. Having even just the tiniest thing off can change the outcome of the shot.
yeah i have to agree with you. i mean i am watching on a big hd tv, see replays in slow motion and even though i saw nothing different in his shooting form i could be missing something. but i still would say that a small tear means that the structural trauma is not going to be a distraction to the degree that his shot is going to be altered. he is wearing a compression sleeve and popping anti-inflammatories. that goes a long way especially with small tears.
and we know good defenses make scorers less efficient. celtics still have a very good defense, and the pacers have a great defense. my issue is more that he did not find other ways to have an impact on the game. at any event there is no need to lionize him, as that will only lead to making excuses for his overall performance.
Hersports85 wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
I think I will take the word of Reggie Miller when he went in depth about how, although not his shooting arm, still has a great effect on his shooting. I will also take my knowledge of taking 3 years of medical classes as well.
Thanks for the information though.
Missed your post about this but I agree. Reggie explained it very well. I am sure with your training you have a better understanding of it.
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
As far as his shooting is concerned - which is something a lot of us has killed him for - his shoulder is the issue. I'd have to believe he doesnt shoot that poorly if not for the injury. We also dont know if he needs surgery. He very well could. Theres also no way you truly believe that his shooting motion would not be effected by the pain from the tear. You need both arms to go through the shooting motion and when you have a tear in your shoulder, whether its on the shooting arm or not, its gonna effect something.
no i disagree i saw a guy who maintained a beautiful shooting form. he does have a pretty jumpshot. nothing i saw conveyed he was somehow favoring it.
You're not always gonna be able to see it though. Im obviously not in the NBA but ive played with a broken finger. Maintained the same shooting form and everything and I still missed a big chunk of jumpers I usually make. Having even just the tiniest thing off can change the outcome of the shot.
yeah i have to agree with you. i mean i am watching on a big hd tv, see replays in slow motion and even though i saw nothing different in his shooting form i could be missing something. but i still would say that a small tear means that the structural trauma is not going to be a distraction to the degree that his shot is going to be altered. he is wearing a compression sleeve and popping anti-inflammatories. that goes a long way especially with small tears.
and we know good defenses make scorers less efficient. celtics still have a very good defense, and the pacers have a great defense. my issue is more that he did not find other ways to have an impact on the game. at any event there is no need to lionize him, as that will only lead to making excuses for his overall performance.
Thats very fair actually and im inclined to agree. Im giving slack for strictly his shooting though. I was hard on him for it.
yellowboy90 wrote:
yeah kind of like that but that is not a dislocated shoulder because of it was he would be helped off the court and into the locker room to get it popped back in and would have to miss at least two games. did any of that happen? i don't think so.
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.
The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..
Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh
Are you kidding? He was shooting at almost 60 % from the field in April prior to David West hurting his shoulder in the third to last game of the season. Guy plays through that and you question him.
damn right im questioning him, and I'm not talking about the regular season..
What are you talking about? Are you suggesting he shouldn't have played with the injury? Are you suggesting someone else on the team could have gotten them to the second round? Please let me know. Was Cope going to beat the CEltics and the Pacers? Who was the great performer that Melo prevented from achieving his heroic playoff destiny that is on this roster? That is the question I need an answer to.
Papabear Says
Sorry to hear about Melo's injury. After reading this thread I am not surprised about what people are saying. Some who was critical of Melo stepped and appoligized. But the die hard azz hole hatters wouldn't give a damn if he was playing on one leg. This is why we will never have a championship team because no one wants to play in New York.
Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysSorry to hear about Melo's injury. After reading this thread I am not surprised about what people are saying. Some who was critical of Melo stepped and appoligized. But the die hard azz hole hatters wouldn't give a damn if he was playing on one leg. This is why we will never have a championship team because no one wants to play in New York.
I dont know how much people here effect that though. Aside for the usual NY media and maybe some jackasses on twitter, Melos pretty well liked by the fans. I've been to 2 games this season and everyone loves Melo. You should hear the ovation he gets during the starters intro.
Ian Begley @IanBegleyDr. Neil Roth, an orthopedic surgeon at Lenox Hill Hospital, says surgery to repair a shoulder tear could sideline an athlete for 4 months.
Lets hope he doesnt need surgery...
dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.
Killa4luv wrote:dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles. a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.
lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.
Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.
The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.
