Knicks · MRI Reveals Melo Had Shoulder Tear (page 4)

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

Exactly. It was obvious he was hurt and playing his heart out. The issue is that he's the only player in the game who would take 25 shots a game with a torn shoulder when he had teammates hitting at a higher percentage than he was. And it's disappointing that he can't have a consistent impact in any non-scoring area of the game.

And which player might that be, hitting a higher percentage ??

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

Dam that Dolan!

We should've stood pat and wallowed in lottery hell! Not good enough to get 25% ping pong balls, just bad enough to get the 7th and 8th seed...

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

Dam that Dolan!

We should've stood pat and wallowed in lottery hell! Not good enough to get 25% ping pong balls, just bad enough to get the 7th and 8th seed...

anything short of a legit shot at a title is not good, not after 40 years. you prefer a perennial top 3 seed and a perennial second round exit with a fool's gold player leading the way, just as he has done for 10 years.

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

Dam that Dolan!

We should've stood pat and wallowed in lottery hell! Not good enough to get 25% ping pong balls, just bad enough to get the 7th and 8th seed...

anything short of a legit shot at a title is not good, not after 40 years. you prefer a perennial top 3 seed and a perennial second round exit with a fool's gold player leading the way, just as he has done for 10 years.

I dunno. Which is better? 66% winning percentage and a fighter's chance at the final four maybe more, or a neverending deluge of borderline lottery picks and the possibility to win maybe half your games, maybe win a playoff game here and there.

Don't answer that, it's rhetorical.

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

your post makes no sense .... you only use arguments to bash Melo, never the other way around .... in life things tend to balance themselves ... never in your argumentation .. so basically invalidating everything you say

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

I think I will take the word of Reggie Miller when he went in depth about how, although not his shooting arm, still has a great effect on his shooting. I will also take my knowledge of taking 3 years of medical classes as well.

Thanks for the information though.

thanks for the misinformation is what you meant right ? Reggie Miller himself mentioned that during game 5 or 6 .... but of course dk7th knows better than doctors and Reggie

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot in the mid 40s for the post-season.

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Are you kidding, I could count on one hand the amount of decent passes melo gave jr and kidd that they miss.
His passes come when there less then 10 seconds on the shot clock off of a broken play, he didn't set those guys up for easy looks, he pass the ball as a bail out.

I know you remember the 2 on 3 fast break at the end of the 1st half of game 4, he could of easily slipped the ball to tyson for a easy dunk, instead he went up for a contested lay up and fumbled the ball out of bounds.

Same thing with the game changing BLOCK by hibert, another chance to slipped the ball to tyson but he goes up against a 7 2" shot blocker hoping to get the foul..Foolish play..Hero ball

Red1976 wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

your post makes no sense .... you only use arguments to bash Melo, never the other way around .... in life things tend to balance themselves ... never in your argumentation .. so basically invalidating everything you say

It's okay; there's a cadre of Melohaters who are almost interchangeable in their argumentation skills, and they're normally patting each other on the back after the obligatory melo's-a-loser posts. At least they can pride themselves on getting more "post assists" than Melo does.

Most of them are normally STAT and MDA apologists though, which I've always found baffling.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot in the mid 40s for the post-season.

Just looked it up - 46 points on 40 shots per game for the supporting cast. There's nothing wrong with that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot in the mid 40s for the post-season.

except for Shump and Felton, i'm sorry but i saw no one able to carry part of the scoring load for long stretches or for several games ...

i'm not saying Melo doesn't have to pass but some context would be welcome please ... he had no reliable second scorer in these playoffs because of Stat injuries, JR not able to play like he did to win the 6th man award (for several reasons that i won't discuss here) ... Felton was this guy for the Boston series, but was not the same for several games against the Pacers, Shump provided some for some games, and Copeland a little bit too

that put more pressure on Melo to score ... and shoot more

knicks1248 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Are you kidding, I could count on one hand the amount of decent passes melo gave jr and kidd that they miss.
His passes come when there less then 10 seconds on the shot clock off of a broken play, he didn't set those guys up for easy looks, he pass the ball as a bail out.

I know you remember the 2 on 3 fast break at the end of the 1st half of game 4, he could of easily slipped the ball to tyson for a easy dunk, instead he went up for a contested lay up and fumbled the ball out of bounds.

Same thing with the game changing BLOCK by hibert, another chance to slipped the ball to tyson but he goes up against a 7 2" shot blocker hoping to get the foul..Foolish play..Hero ball

yes the same Tyson that missed many shoots in the paint during the playoffs and even blow up a dunk in game 6 ? again i'm not saying Melo has to shoot so much, but i think there were not so many other options (see my answer in the post above this one)

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

Exactly. It was obvious he was hurt and playing his heart out. The issue is that he's the only player in the game who would take 25 shots a game with a torn shoulder when he had teammates hitting at a higher percentage than he was. And it's disappointing that he can't have a consistent impact in any non-scoring area of the game.

And which player might that be, hitting a higher percentage ??

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name...

Are you suggesting we should have run the offense through Chandler and Martin?

jrodmc wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

your post makes no sense .... you only use arguments to bash Melo, never the other way around .... in life things tend to balance themselves ... never in your argumentation .. so basically invalidating everything you say

It's okay; there's a cadre of Melohaters who are almost interchangeable in their argumentation skills, and they're normally patting each other on the back after the obligatory melo's-a-loser posts. At least they can pride themselves on getting more "post assists" than Melo does.

Most of them are normally STAT and MDA apologists though, which I've always found baffling.

your comfortable with 43% Iso plays for melo, your response indicates melo has no negatives, he does everything right, and it's his teammates that need to hold the ball for 13 seconds, do more iso's like melo, take 28 shots..

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

Cingratulations this idiotic response has earned you a permanent ignore. In my over 10 years on this board I've used it once. Orange Blobman. you now make twice. Ur f*cking moron.

The only problem with ignoring him is he needs to be called out for the junk he posts.

how is his response idiotic..I'll ask again, if my shoulder is a problem, why not pass the ball, im shooting worst then any player in the playoffs taking that amount of shots..

He should be saying, let me try and make my teammates better, get them some easy buckets, these tough shots that im taking are not falling, let tell felton to slash the minute you see the double coming..

The guy is a great scorer, but a foolish player

yeah let's pass the rock to JR or Kidd .... oh wait he did but no assists because those 2 couldn't even score on some open layups

foolish player or foolish fans ? i'm not sure the significance will be in Melo disfavor

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot in the mid 40s for the post-season.

except for Shump and Felton, i'm sorry but i saw no one able to carry part of the scoring load for long stretches or for several games ...

i'm not saying Melo doesn't have to pass but some context would be welcome please ... he had no reliable second scorer in these playoffs because of Stat injuries, JR not able to play like he did to win the 6th man award (for several reasons that i won't discuss here) ... Felton was this guy for the Boston series, but was not the same for several games against the Pacers, Shump provided some for some games, and Copeland a little bit too

that put more pressure on Melo to score ... and shoot more

Except for Shump and Felton? That's already almost 25 shots a game!
Durant didn't have a "reliable 2nd scorer" either. Yet he averaged over six assists a game. As long as you have NBA-level teammates, that's just a BS excuse.

MaTT4281 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I hope this makes anti-Melo people appreciate him more. He did everything he could and was injured in a way most wouldn't play thru. Huge respect for him with a warrior effort in the playoffs.

The guy has a history of shooting poorly in the playoffs, career 40%..

Great for playing through pain, but now I really question why he avg 1 ast with a bum shoulder ..smh

Exactly. It was obvious he was hurt and playing his heart out. The issue is that he's the only player in the game who would take 25 shots a game with a torn shoulder when he had teammates hitting at a higher percentage than he was. And it's disappointing that he can't have a consistent impact in any non-scoring area of the game.

And which player might that be, hitting a higher percentage ??

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name...

Are you suggesting we should have run the offense through Chandler and Martin?