Knicks · Scary Version? Paul George May Be Better Than Our Best Player (page 2)

VCoug wrote:

Uptown wrote:

VCoug wrote:That's impossible. Everyone here was telling me that Melo's a top 2 or top 3 player in the league. I was told that anyone who who doesn't think Melo is a top 5 player is a hater/idiot/Net fan. What happened?

Either stop with all this hyperbole or find the quotes.....I think most agreed that Melo is top 10.

Calm down Frances, it's slight hyperbole. Obviously I'm not the only one but there were a whole hell of a lot of posters who were screaming and shouting that anyone who thought Melo's not on the same level and Lebron and Durant was just a hater.

Again, I disagree...With the exception of maybe 2-3 rogue posters, no-one put Melo on Durant's level, and none with put him on Lebrons level. No need to exaggerate to make a point....

As we try to retool the Knicks have many problems..Melo isn't one of them...

Uptown wrote:

VCoug wrote:That's impossible. Everyone here was telling me that Melo's a top 2 or top 3 player in the league. I was told that anyone who who doesn't think Melo is a top 5 player is a hater/idiot/Net fan. What happened?

Either stop with all this hyperbole or find the quotes.....I think most agreed that Melo is top 10.

melo is top 10. george is top 15. melo is better, but older.

Gotta say that blowing by Bron for that dunk was a thing of beauty..George is special...

holfresh wrote:Gotta say that blowing by Bron for that dunk was a thing of beauty..George is special...

George isn't the first player to drive and dunk on Lebron, wont be the last.

holfresh wrote:Gotta say that blowing by Bron for that dunk was a thing of beauty..George is special...

A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

Bonn1997 wrote:LOL! I'm sure if TKF or 3G posted this it would be called "Melo-hate." Melo is the better scorer but George is better at everything else. When you factor in age, you'd have to take George over Melo.

Can we factor Salary?

Can we factor Synergy?

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

So become a pacers fan! Anyone that even watches basketball knows "volume scorer" is as back-handed a compliment as they come. How can you watch a team this way, wallowing in self-pity saying "we suck" "we suck" year after year while you put all of our opponents on a pedestal? How is that enjoyable for you? I don't mean for this to be an attack, I'm actually curious how being a Knicks fan is fun for you in any way. Melo is an extremely flawed player, I understand your distaste for him, but you actually derive joy from watching teams clobber the Knicks, it's very weird.

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

So become a pacers fan! Anyone that even watches basketball knows "volume scorer" is as back-handed a compliment as they come. How can you watch a team this way, wallowing in self-pity saying "we suck" "we suck" year after year while you put all of our opponents on a pedestal? How is that enjoyable for you? I don't mean for this to be an attack, I'm actually curious how being a Knicks fan is fun for you in any way. Melo is an extremely flawed player, I understand your distaste for him, but you actually derive joy from watching teams clobber the Knicks, it's very weird.

I am a NBA fan, a fan of basketball.. is that ok with you..... and who is wallowing in self pity? LOL.. I have watched this team suck for so many years.... I thought we were on the right path with walsh.. dolan messed that up, so as a fan I will just wait until this carmelo/JR smith era passes.... I don't enjoy watching them get clobbered, but I do enjoy watching franchises do things the right way, it gives me hope one day...

Uptown wrote:

VCoug wrote:That's impossible. Everyone here was telling me that Melo's a top 2 or top 3 player in the league. I was told that anyone who who doesn't think Melo is a top 5 player is a hater/idiot/Net fan. What happened?

Either stop with all this hyperbole or find the quotes.....I think most agreed that Melo is top 10.

tkf wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Yes, Durant is one of the few players in the league I would take over Melo. He, LeBron, Paul, maybe Derrick Rose if he comes back the way he was, maybe Duncan and maybe Wade. Basically 3 people who are definites.

what about paul george, rondo, westbrook, steph curry, kyrie irving.. all of whom I would take over carmelo..

Then again, I would take these guys over a lot of NBA players and allstars..

People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

So become a pacers fan! Anyone that even watches basketball knows "volume scorer" is as back-handed a compliment as they come. How can you watch a team this way, wallowing in self-pity saying "we suck" "we suck" year after year while you put all of our opponents on a pedestal? How is that enjoyable for you? I don't mean for this to be an attack, I'm actually curious how being a Knicks fan is fun for you in any way. Melo is an extremely flawed player, I understand your distaste for him, but you actually derive joy from watching teams clobber the Knicks, it's very weird.

I am a NBA fan, a fan of basketball.. is that ok with you..... and who is wallowing in self pity? LOL.. I have watched this team suck for so many years.... I thought we were on the right path with walsh.. dolan messed that up, so as a fan I will just wait until this carmelo/JR smith era passes.... I don't enjoy watching them get clobbered, but I do enjoy watching franchises do things the right way, it gives me hope one day...

Dolan didn't sign amare. He didn't trade away the teams lottery pick and the 2012 first round pick to clear cap space. Dolan didn't hire Mike D'Antoni. If reports are accurate, Dolan agreed to include Moz in the trade while Walsh was waiting to see if Denver blinked. I never saw Moz as a deal breaker. Never saw Walsh as getting the Knicks back on track after his coaching hire. Walsh helped the Knicks become more respectable and less dysfunctional after Isiah embarrassed the franchise.

VCoug wrote:

Uptown wrote:

VCoug wrote:That's impossible. Everyone here was telling me that Melo's a top 2 or top 3 player in the league. I was told that anyone who who doesn't think Melo is a top 5 player is a hater/idiot/Net fan. What happened?

Either stop with all this hyperbole or find the quotes.....I think most agreed that Melo is top 10.

Calm down Frances, it's slight hyperbole. Obviously I'm not the only one but there were a whole hell of a lot of posters who were screaming and shouting that anyone who thought Melo's not on the same level and Lebron and Durant was just a hater.

If I went and found all the Melo vs Durant threads and posted them here wouldn't that count as fans thinking he's a Top 2-3 player in this league. I'm pretty sure most still feel Durant is a Top 5 lock and a Top 3 talent overall correct?

So no Coug your hyperbole wasn't too off....Uptown does this everytime and pretty much everytime you can show him otherwise.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

So become a pacers fan! Anyone that even watches basketball knows "volume scorer" is as back-handed a compliment as they come. How can you watch a team this way, wallowing in self-pity saying "we suck" "we suck" year after year while you put all of our opponents on a pedestal? How is that enjoyable for you? I don't mean for this to be an attack, I'm actually curious how being a Knicks fan is fun for you in any way. Melo is an extremely flawed player, I understand your distaste for him, but you actually derive joy from watching teams clobber the Knicks, it's very weird.

I am a NBA fan, a fan of basketball.. is that ok with you..... and who is wallowing in self pity? LOL.. I have watched this team suck for so many years.... I thought we were on the right path with walsh.. dolan messed that up, so as a fan I will just wait until this carmelo/JR smith era passes.... I don't enjoy watching them get clobbered, but I do enjoy watching franchises do things the right way, it gives me hope one day...

Dolan didn't sign amare. He didn't trade away the teams lottery pick and the 2012 first round pick to clear cap space. Dolan didn't hire Mike D'Antoni. If reports are accurate, Dolan agreed to include Moz in the trade while Walsh was waiting to see if Denver blinked. I never saw Moz as a deal breaker. Never saw Walsh as getting the Knicks back on track after his coaching hire. Walsh helped the Knicks become more respectable and less dysfunctional after Isiah embarrassed the franchise.

I really didn't have a big problem with the amare signing, as amare was a very good player for us until his knees betrayed him which I thought would come later than sooner... but all we gave up was dolans cash, not a myriad of assets..

As far as claring cap space to go after lebron... well I guess some can justify giving yourself a shot at one of the best players in the past 20 years..... who knew that clown was colluding with T-mobile wade and that weird bosh dude...

Never saw Walsh as getting the Knicks back on track after his coaching hire.

so what you are saying is that the team with amare and the kids that were playing above .500 ball was not getting back on track? a young team with amare playing like a star, good young talent, picks and cap space? yea I forgot how good things were the years prior... smh

Walsh helped the Knicks become more respectable and less dysfunctional after Isiah embarrassed the franchise.

well isn't that part of what would be considered getting a team back on track?

holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Melo dropped 39 on George and gets no respect around here...He was also getting by George in other games but ran into Hibbert..Lots of no calls there...

Melo also went 10-28fg for 36 PACENT against George and shot 43 PACENT overall in the series...held to 42 PACENT or lower in 4 of the 6 gms....law of averages rule out. Also if you count his 39pt performance as glorious..... then what does that say about the extent of his injury?

We done riding Harden's jock already??..George the new pretty girl on the block??..

holfresh wrote:We done riding Harden's jock already??..George the new pretty girl on the block??..

Harden made 2nd ALL-NBA Team and he's on the rise after this being his 3rd yr.

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

So become a pacers fan! Anyone that even watches basketball knows "volume scorer" is as back-handed a compliment as they come. How can you watch a team this way, wallowing in self-pity saying "we suck" "we suck" year after year while you put all of our opponents on a pedestal? How is that enjoyable for you? I don't mean for this to be an attack, I'm actually curious how being a Knicks fan is fun for you in any way. Melo is an extremely flawed player, I understand your distaste for him, but you actually derive joy from watching teams clobber the Knicks, it's very weird.

I am a NBA fan, a fan of basketball.. is that ok with you..... and who is wallowing in self pity? LOL.. I have watched this team suck for so many years.... I thought we were on the right path with walsh.. dolan messed that up, so as a fan I will just wait until this carmelo/JR smith era passes.... I don't enjoy watching them get clobbered, but I do enjoy watching franchises do things the right way, it gives me hope one day...

Dolan didn't sign amare. He didn't trade away the teams lottery pick and the 2012 first round pick to clear cap space. Dolan didn't hire Mike D'Antoni. If reports are accurate, Dolan agreed to include Moz in the trade while Walsh was waiting to see if Denver blinked. I never saw Moz as a deal breaker. Never saw Walsh as getting the Knicks back on track after his coaching hire. Walsh helped the Knicks become more respectable and less dysfunctional after Isiah embarrassed the franchise.

I really didn't have a big problem with the amare signing, as amare was a very good player for us until his knees betrayed him which I thought would come later than sooner... but all we gave up was dolans cash, not a myriad of assets..

As far as claring cap space to go after lebron... well I guess some can justify giving yourself a shot at one of the best players in the past 20 years..... who knew that clown was colluding with T-mobile wade and that weird bosh dude...

Never saw Walsh as getting the Knicks back on track after his coaching hire.

so what you are saying is that the team with amare and the kids that were playing above .500 ball was not getting back on track? a young team with amare playing like a star, good young talent, picks and cap space? yea I forgot how good things were the years prior... smh

Walsh helped the Knicks become more respectable and less dysfunctional after Isiah embarrassed the franchise.

well isn't that part of what would be considered getting a team back on track?

Amare hasn't been the same since he hurt his back in warm ups in the playoffs his first year as a Knick. His knees were a known issue so the signing didn't make sense. Basically the Knicks got 1/2 a season of productive Amare for a max deal that kills the cap. They moved a lot of assets and let young guys walk to get there.

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:A Healthy Melo is the best player on the floor for the 2 teams the problem is the next 5 best players on the floor are Pacers. To think they have a trade chip like Grainger not even playing. The Pacers are a damn good team

A healthy carmelo is the best volume scorer on the floor.. not best player... and I am glad people are seeing how good the pacers are.. I guess me and a few others weren't so crazy agreeing with granger about being the second best team in the east...

So become a pacers fan! Anyone that even watches basketball knows "volume scorer" is as back-handed a compliment as they come. How can you watch a team this way, wallowing in self-pity saying "we suck" "we suck" year after year while you put all of our opponents on a pedestal? How is that enjoyable for you? I don't mean for this to be an attack, I'm actually curious how being a Knicks fan is fun for you in any way. Melo is an extremely flawed player, I understand your distaste for him, but you actually derive joy from watching teams clobber the Knicks, it's very weird.

I am a NBA fan, a fan of basketball.. is that ok with you..... and who is wallowing in self pity? LOL.. I have watched this team suck for so many years.... I thought we were on the right path with walsh.. dolan messed that up, so as a fan I will just wait until this carmelo/JR smith era passes.... I don't enjoy watching them get clobbered, but I do enjoy watching franchises do things the right way, it gives me hope one day...

Again, what "right" path was Walsh on? Would you prefer to see a team centered around Amar'e Stoudemire and some of the bum players he acquired (Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, Anthony Randolph, Toney Douglas possibly Timofey Mozgov)? That wouldn't get us very far today. You also can't even use the "cap space" argument because every star player that changed teams since 2010 has been TRADED, which would have similarly gorged our team of the assets we lost in the Melo deal.

And I still don't understand this "Dolan made him do it..." nonsense. So everything that was "good" that happened to the team is solely attributed to Walsh but everything "bad" Donnie did "Dolan made him do it"? Its stuff like this that gives people the impression that you're not a Knick fan; because all you do is make convenient excuses for not liking the team which holds no real truth and maintain without ever really being able to defend the position. I'm not attacking you btw; just giving you my unbiased impression as someone that has no real history with you.

For the record, I actually think Paul George has rivaled Melo this playoffs and has all the tools/skills to be the better player moving forward. I wish the Knicks would've went the direction of building an actual team around guys like him too but Donnie Walsh consistently traded our picks (Jordan Hill, our 2011 pick, the 2012 swap, and a host of second round picks), took certain players too high in the draft(Gallo and Douglas, or traded away our assets that could net picks for bullshit (David Lee, Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph and Nate Robinson). Imagine if he had the foresight to have traded David Lee to the Warriors on draft night/beforehand and gotten the 6th pick in the 2010 draft. We could've walked away with either Paul George OR Greg Monroe, who are both upgrades over Lee today but foresight/ingenuity was something Walsh had little of during his time here in New York.