Not only did GM Grunwald say that there wont be any sign and trades but Tyson chandler is coming off of a all-NBA defensive 1st team. Yes he had a bad playoffs, yes he got schooled by Hibbert, so yes one can argue that he has the most trade value but i highly doubt that he will be traded. My question is why are fans on this site making trade proposals regarding Tyson? Thats as realistic as CP3 coming to the knicks. Am i missing something?
Depends on who you're talking to. Some people want to trade him because he's no-showed in two straight playoffs and want to dump him on someone else. Some want to trade him for cap space so we can try and trade for other players, usually Chris Paul, and we would be able to use the full MLE and LLE this Summer. Others, including myself, feel we really need to improve the team if we're going to contend for a championship and see a Tyson trade as our best path. Personally, I think that we can afford a downgrade, real or perceived, at center in order to upgrade our backcourt which we desperately need to do.
I think he needs to go also because of his comments to the media. Tyson doesn't have an offensive game and the Knicks knew that. What he is supposed to have and provide is leadership and a championship pedigree. Playing his worse as a knick in these playoffs and then going to the media and speaking out about his teammates and coaches is not leading. That should have been said in house not to the media. Also, the fact that there was nothing mentioned about his own horrible play or what he needed to improve on makes him look small as a person in my opinion. I think if you can you move on from Tyson.
callmened wrote:Not only did GM Grunwald say that there wont be any sign and trades but Tyson chandler is coming off of a all-NBA defensive 1st team. Yes he had a bad playoffs, yes he got schooled by Hibbert, so yes one can argue that he has the most trade value but i highly doubt that he will be traded. My question is why are fans on this site making trade proposals regarding Tyson? Thats as realistic as CP3 coming to the knicks. Am i missing something?
He is the only movable? commodity that occupies a big salary slot...His slot is replaceable because he offers nothing..He has been missing the last two years in the playoffs..He is replaceable with a Jordan Hill type of player..Chandler value is a little bit of a myth..
callmened wrote:Not only did GM Grunwald say that there wont be any sign and trades but Tyson chandler is coming off of a all-NBA defensive 1st team. Yes he had a bad playoffs, yes he got schooled by Hibbert, so yes one can argue that he has the most trade value but i highly doubt that he will be traded. My question is why are fans on this site making trade proposals regarding Tyson? Thats as realistic as CP3 coming to the knicks. Am i missing something?
What makes you think he won't disappear again next post season. Grunwald is not going to announce that he's seeking trades, this isn't the walsh era. We had know idea he was going to trade for tyson in the 1st place, it came as a complete shock..
With the success we had without tyson in the line up this season, and his no show in the entire post season, you better believe people are going to entertain the thought..
gotcha...maybe im too nieve in believing Grunwald at his word when he says hes not trading the CORE of this team
They shopped Amare last summer. They will shop Chandler this summer.
If they dont get good offers we will keep him.
I like Tyson but then I realize he has only avg double digit rebounds once in the playoffs. That's a problem when your Center can't clean the glass and on top of that he can't score, defend his man,or rim protect. Also, I didn't like the chippy boderline cheap plays he kept committing. How many stupid fouls did he keep picking up because he pushed or elbowed Hibbert then gets upset and gets a T.
Also, gms according to the espn article believes he has value. maybe not enough go get an all-star but he could get you two very good player's and the ability to use the full mle on 1 or 2 more players.
yellowboy90 wrote:I like Tyson but then I realize he has only avg double digit rebounds once in the playoffs. That's a problem when your Center can't clean the glass and on top of that he can't score, defend his man,or rim protect. Also, I didn't like the chippy boderline cheap plays he kept committing. How many stupid fouls did he keep picking up because he pushed or elbowed Hibbert then gets upset and gets a T.Also, gms according to the espn article believes he has value. maybe not enough go get an all-star but he could get you two very good player's and the ability to use the full mle on 1 or 2 more players.
This is precisely why the Knicks should move Chandler. Trade him to OKC for their two number ones and Thabeet.
if its true that dallas is shopping thier pick for a salary dump send him back there
dacash wrote:if its true that dallas is shopping thier pick for a salary dump send him back there
But that wuoldn't be a salary dump
Yes, you are missing something. You're supposed to drastically overvalue a sample of a little over a dozen games (Tyson's post-season in NYC). Otherwise you won't fit in here.
I know what's missing... Dirk Nowitzki!
Zing!
Bonn1997 wrote:Yes, you are missing something. You're supposed to drastically overvalue a sample of a little over a dozen games (Tyson's post-season in NYC). Otherwise you won't fit in here.
How does his other post seasons compare?
VCoug wrote:dacash wrote:if its true that dallas is shopping thier pick for a salary dump send him back there
But that wuoldn't be a salary dump
Also, Dallas can still use their pick on a draft and stash Euro.
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Yes, you are missing something. You're supposed to drastically overvalue a sample of a little over a dozen games (Tyson's post-season in NYC). Otherwise you won't fit in here.
How does his other post seasons compare?
Maybe marginally worse than his regular season career - about 10 1/2 rather than 11 1/2 rbs per 36 min. Similar scoring efficiency but fewer shot attempts. Similar blocks.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Yes, you are missing something. You're supposed to drastically overvalue a sample of a little over a dozen games (Tyson's post-season in NYC). Otherwise you won't fit in here.
How does his other post seasons compare?
Maybe marginally worse than his regular season career - about 10 1/2 rather than 11 1/2 rbs per 36 min. Similar scoring efficiency but fewer shot attempts. Similar blocks.
4.9 defensive rebs is a problem. Well 5.9 per 36 is still a problem. Also, do you think his lack of offensive skills contribute to his decrease shot attempts? Tyson is good but put most centers in his role and they will perform the same offensively and perhaps defensively.
Not a big deal because sites sometimes have different numbers but BR has him at 10 not 10.5 but does have him at 11.5 for the reg. season
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Yes, you are missing something. You're supposed to drastically overvalue a sample of a little over a dozen games (Tyson's post-season in NYC). Otherwise you won't fit in here.
How does his other post seasons compare?
Maybe marginally worse than his regular season career - about 10 1/2 rather than 11 1/2 rbs per 36 min. Similar scoring efficiency but fewer shot attempts. Similar blocks.
4.9 defensive rebs is a problem. Well 5.9 per 36 is still a problem. Also, do you think his lack of offensive skills contribute to his decrease shot attempts? Tyson is good but put most centers in his role and they will perform the same offensively and perhaps defensively.
Not a big deal because sites sometimes have different numbers but BR has him at 10 not 10.5 but does have him at 11.5 for the reg. season
You can't just put anyone at the C spot on this team and see them be the most efficient scorer and best offensive rebounder in the league. That's ridiculous.
It's hard to say why he got about 1.5 less shots per game in the post-season. It's probably just random fluctuation in his #s.
The issue I have with the trade proposals on here is that Tyson at his best is better than any of the players people want to trade him for. Tyson at his best actually could be a difference maker in the post-season. Guys like Deandre Jordan and Pekovic aren't going to put us over the top but Tyson could.
I don't have enough info. about Tyson's condition to say that I'd definitely keep him, though. I'd need to get all the info. from the team doctors to figure out what went wrong this post-season.
tj23 wrote:Tyson who?
Everyone on this team is a "who?" No one's done anything meaningful that will be remembered 5 years from now.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Yes, you are missing something. You're supposed to drastically overvalue a sample of a little over a dozen games (Tyson's post-season in NYC). Otherwise you won't fit in here.
How does his other post seasons compare?
Maybe marginally worse than his regular season career - about 10 1/2 rather than 11 1/2 rbs per 36 min. Similar scoring efficiency but fewer shot attempts. Similar blocks.
4.9 defensive rebs is a problem. Well 5.9 per 36 is still a problem. Also, do you think his lack of offensive skills contribute to his decrease shot attempts? Tyson is good but put most centers in his role and they will perform the same offensively and perhaps defensively.
Not a big deal because sites sometimes have different numbers but BR has him at 10 not 10.5 but does have him at 11.5 for the reg. season
You can't just put anyone at the C spot on this team and see them be the most efficient scorer and best offensive rebounder in the league. That's ridiculous.
It's hard to say why he got about 1.5 less shots per game in the post-season. It's probably just random fluctuation in his #s.
The issue I have with the trade proposals on here is that Tyson at his best is better than any of the players people want to trade him for. Tyson at his best actually could be a difference maker in the post-season. Guys like Deandre Jordan and Pekovic aren't going to put us over the top but Tyson could.
I don't have enough info. about Tyson's condition to say that I'd definitely keep him, though. I'd need to get all the info. from the team doctors to figure out what went wrong this post-season.
You seriously don't think Camby could have given us more than what Chandler did this entire play offs?
We could sign Jermaine Oneal for vet min and regain the 5m MLE to use on 2 players that could easily replace what Tyson gave us in addition to 2m bi annual exemption
I would no hesitate if I can get a deal done with Portland with 2nd rounders and the above with the trade exemption plus the percs of being under the tax threshold
If we had to blame one player, Tyson's Chandler gets the most blame in my opinion, his inability to defend Hibbert 1v1 and while Hibbert defended him and the paint with ease
I think Woodson deserves the most blame with the utilization of lineups and not making adjustments in calling plays and putting his players in an advantage to succeed as a team
Grunwald SHOULD hire an OFFENSIVE Coach for my input on the team like Brian Shaw or SA's assistant just like Woodson was hired for Dantoni's lack of DEF
I am sorry but I don't care what he has done in the regular season, his lack of adjustments, playmaking, holding players accountable, and minute distribution was just HORRIBLE
IF Hibbert is defending the paint and we can't get in there for easy shots and we cannot stop him from getting offensive boards, USE OTHER PLAYERS instead of just staring off to space meanly
Vogel was wrong by crapping on Woodson but he is 100% right, he is a MORON!
Especially when Copeland had success vs Pacers when we blew em out a month earlier as they were unable to defend 5 shooters as Vogel said was hard to defend in the post game of the regular season game
Why change something if it isn't broke?
Copeland was off to a great start in the late season run, instead opting to use Amare that has not played in 3 months and has even WORSE DEF and is not in game shape
We are not getting ALL STAR caliber deals for Tyson Chandler when his contract is at 14m for 2 more years after, lets be realistic!
Take the 2nd round picks and just move on, telling Chandler to develop into Pekovic now is just not realistic?
Whether he can regain his strength/agility/athleticism/speed + mobility is the biggest question at his age of 30+ since coming out of high school with much mileage used already
There was lack of heart, even in the "Mike Woodson show" he points out Chandler is not rolling to the basket time after time for the offensive rebound after the pick, making himself USELESS when he isn't even being defended
If we do not move him and he still sucks, his contract will be right next to Amare's...
I called for trading STAT for KG before he fully broke down and now I am saying the same thing about Chandler
NO ONE agreed with me at the time and put me on blast, with months later "PAU GASOL"
Well, I hope I am wrong but I hope the Knicks test out what his value is to OTHER TEAMS, it surely isn't as high as what most of the people want it to be...
