We all realize that we need an equally/similarly talented player next to Melo. I'll ask guys two specific answers: (1) Should we sing for the fences in an attempt to acquire that no.2 option? (2) Would you guys take a gamble on either Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum? Just for the record, I don't particularly like either player but realize that if healthy, they could contribute to what we do.
1. Swing for the fences? HOW...lol...we have no money
2. No ...bynum and ellis arent that good
callmened wrote:1. Swing for the fences? HOW...lol...we have no money2. No ...bynum and ellis arent that good
We have no money but we do have tradeable assets. The transaction could occur within the framework of a trade.
NardDogNation wrote:callmened wrote:1. Swing for the fences? HOW...lol...we have no money2. No ...bynum and ellis arent that good
We have no money but we do have tradeable assets. The transaction could occur within the framework of a trade.
i'll go for monta, bynum is dead log in water,
monta had a decent shooting year this year, he can definitely drop the buckets,
between monta jr and melo, we shouldn't have a problem scoring the ball,
then you just have to add a grunt at center, someone that will do the dirty work, get his hands dirty,
and you have a contender
bynum is a risk but if he wants to come to our team for the minimum to prove himself, i would do it but i think someome will sign him to a lucrative deal anyway. ellis is decent and another proven scorer but he is an awful defender and the very definition of a gunner. you think jr is bad, watch this guy chuck up some 30 footers!
a lot of fans still dont get it. We have no money to make any serious moves. We cant get a second scorer for melo because we have no cap space and we have no assets.
StarksEwing1 wrote:a lot of fans still dont get it. We have no money to make any serious moves. We cant get a second scorer for melo because we have no cap space and we have no assets.
Every season we allegedly don't have cap space but manage to improve the team via trades. Seems like we've made multiple trades every season/offseason. You need assets to do that because no one will give you nothing for something.
StarksEwing1 wrote:a lot of fans still dont get it. We have no money to make any serious moves. We cant get a second scorer for melo because we have no cap space and we have no assets.
that's just the negative nancy view,
you can always shake and bake
jazz74 wrote:bynum is a risk but if he wants to come to our team for the minimum to prove himself, i would do it but i think someome will sign him to a lucrative deal anyway. ellis is decent and another proven scorer but he is an awful defender and the very definition of a gunner. you think jr is bad, watch this guy chuck up some 30 footers!
He won't sign for the minimum but I might consider him on a one season tryout. That likely won't be feasible though.
IronWillGiroud wrote:NardDogNation wrote:callmened wrote:1. Swing for the fences? HOW...lol...we have no money2. No ...bynum and ellis arent that good
We have no money but we do have tradeable assets. The transaction could occur within the framework of a trade.
i'll go for monta, bynum is dead log in water,
monta had a decent shooting year this year, he can definitely drop the buckets,
between monta jr and melo, we shouldn't have a problem scoring the ball,
then you just have to add a grunt at center, someone that will do the dirty work, get his hands dirty,
and you have a contender
Can't argue with any of that. Ellis intrigues me because he is not only a capable scorer but has had experience running the point. Having him would allow us to maintain that 2 PG lineup that seems to be preferred, even though I'd prefer a more traditional lineup.
Doug Collins left coaching because of Bynum. Bynum injured his knee bowling when he was restricted from basketball activities. I don't think you touch Bynum. The Knicks have Amare who at least is a professional and has character despite not being able to play. Also, I agree that there is no money to spend with their cap situation so swinging for the fences probably doesn't come from a free agent signing.
NardDogNation wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:a lot of fans still dont get it. We have no money to make any serious moves. We cant get a second scorer for melo because we have no cap space and we have no assets.
Every season we allegedly don't have cap space but manage to improve the team via trades. Seems like we've made multiple trades every season/offseason. You need assets to do that because no one will give you nothing for something.
to be fair we did sign and trades last year. We got felton who was coming off a bad year for 2nd round picks and camby for the same. Its not like we gave up anything of value. the felton signing was a steal because we signed him for a good deal and gave up nothing
what trade assets do we have? and PLEASE DONT say tyson...hes not going anywhere. LOL
its not even about being negative...GM Grunwald said there will be NO major deals
CrushAlot wrote:Doug Collins left coaching because of Bynum. Bynum injured his knee bowling when he was restricted from basketball activities. I don't think you touch Bynum. The Knicks have Amare who at least is a professional and has character despite not being able to play. Also, I agree that there is no money to spend with their cap situation so swinging for the fences probably doesn't come from a free agent signing.
Doug Collins did not leave because of Bynum, he left because he can't last more than 3 years with any team. In Chicago he was hired in 86-87 and fired in 88-89; Detroit hired him in 95-96 and fired him midway through 97-98; Washington hired him in 01-02 and fired him in 02-03; and in Philly they hired him in 10-11 and he left after 12-13. The only difference this time is he quit before he got fired.
StarksEwing1 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:a lot of fans still dont get it. We have no money to make any serious moves. We cant get a second scorer for melo because we have no cap space and we have no assets.
Every season we allegedly don't have cap space but manage to improve the team via trades. Seems like we've made multiple trades every season/offseason. You need assets to do that because no one will give you nothing for something.
to be fair we did sign and trades last year. We got felton who was coming off a bad year for 2nd round picks and camby for the same. Its not like we gave up anything of value. the felton signing was a steal because we signed him for a good deal and gave up nothing
Actually, we gave up a nice prospect in Papanikoloau and a future 2nd rounder.
VCoug wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Doug Collins left coaching because of Bynum. Bynum injured his knee bowling when he was restricted from basketball activities. I don't think you touch Bynum. The Knicks have Amare who at least is a professional and has character despite not being able to play. Also, I agree that there is no money to spend with their cap situation so swinging for the fences probably doesn't come from a free agent signing.
Doug Collins did not leave because of Bynum, he left because he can't last more than 3 years with any team. In Chicago he was hired in 86-87 and fired in 88-89; Detroit hired him in 95-96 and fired him midway through 97-98; Washington hired him in 01-02 and fired him in 02-03; and in Philly they hired him in 10-11 and he left after 12-13. The only difference this time is he quit before he got fired.
lol..YOU CAN'T FIRE ME, I QUIT
the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.
his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.
if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.
VCoug wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Doug Collins left coaching because of Bynum. Bynum injured his knee bowling when he was restricted from basketball activities. I don't think you touch Bynum. The Knicks have Amare who at least is a professional and has character despite not being able to play. Also, I agree that there is no money to spend with their cap situation so swinging for the fences probably doesn't come from a free agent signing.
Doug Collins did not leave because of Bynum, he left because he can't last more than 3 years with any team. In Chicago he was hired in 86-87 and fired in 88-89; Detroit hired him in 95-96 and fired him midway through 97-98; Washington hired him in 01-02 and fired him in 02-03; and in Philly they hired him in 10-11 and he left after 12-13. The only difference this time is he quit before he got fired.
There is something to that. Doug seems to lose a pound a day during the season and looks like he has an eating disorder by the end of the season. The job takes a ton out of him. I hated the hire for Philly but I thought he did a great job and I think he was disgusted with Bynum and losing Vucevic and Iggy.
@dk7th...good thoughts..but it wont happen...melo or tyson wont be traded anytime soon
. . . Monta Ellis . . .
I hated Ellis when I first started watching GS but he grew on me--and I think he's grown significantly as a person/player since he skipped college to play ball. He's not a great team leader but he can play defense, share the ball, and adapt to various styles/teams. Yes, he's clearly most motivated when he's da man but he's not awful when he's the second or third option. (Note that he averages about 6 assists and 4 boards.) He is very good in a running game and he can one-on-one with the best, even if he's a few inches shorter. He's learned some nice pick and roll skills and his passing, especially after/during driving is underrated. Apparently, he doesn't have have locker room cancer (or it's in remission) and despite his missteps with a rookie Curry, he seems like an pretty good teammate. That said . . . there are parts of his game, or perhaps his understanding of the game that, like Melo, are seriously underdeveloped. His off-ball work is iffy, his game flow management (and he does tend to have the ball in hands a lot) is iffy, and his understanding of things like spacing and optimizing his teammate's games are iffy. With the right coaching maybe...maybe...he'll correct those things and be able to raise the overall level of ball on his team. Or, maybe not. I have trouble seeming Ellis playing PG with Melo and I'm not sure Felton is the right PG for Ellis to be an efficient SG. Ellis's blindspots probably wouldn't be an issue for, say, Chicago because the overall basketball intelligence and the quality of coaching is quite high. On the Knicks, however, I'd guess Ellis might work out as a kind of B-team guard but I can't see him starting and, again, I could be wrong but I wouldn't bet on Melo/Felton/Ellis working out. Also, hmmmm, I'm not sure there's any realistic way to sign Ellis without a rash of retirements.
Bynum. No.
dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.
if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.
Thank you for not even remotely answering the questions that were posed and digressing to your usual talking points.
