Knicks · This draft proving how hard traditional rebuilding is (page 8)
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
OK, so all he really cared about was his money... got it...
tkf wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
Sorry man you are just living in fantasy land with this. I will say it again. Melo was getting traded regardless the minute he refused an extension and teams such as the nets were willing to trade for him without the promise of an extension (see: deron Williams.) what you want to believe is not the reality. But I know there is no convincing you of that. Keep believing Denver was going to let Melo constantly turn down an extension then walk in the lockout offseason leaving them with nothing, even knowing he was only signing with the Knicks. Why we are at it, don't you think Chris Paul should demand the clippers trade him only to the Knicks this offseason and demand they only receive amare in return? This all sounds great to me.
ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!
Walsh traded away last years first round pick and next years first round pick. I believe 2014 is the last first rounder the Knicks have traded. Going the draft route could coincide with the current big 3 contracts expiring. I do think this year was a success and certainly much more successful then the Marbury years. P
Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
Sorry man you are just living in fantasy land with this. I will say it again. Melo was getting traded regardless the minute he refused an extension and teams such as the nets were willing to trade for him without the promise of an extension (see: deron Williams.) what you want to believe is not the reality. But I know there is no convincing you of that. Keep believing Denver was going to let Melo constantly turn down an extension then walk in the lockout offseason leaving them with nothing, even knowing he was only signing with the Knicks. Why we are at it, don't you think Chris Paul should demand the clippers trade him only to the Knicks this offseason and demand they only receive amare in return? This all sounds great to me.
again, you miss the point.. who cares if he got traded, carmelo didn't have to sign an extension anywhere he went.... but he wanted his money first and destination second.. It was all about the money...which is why we have this mess we do now..
CrushAlot wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!Walsh traded away last years first round pick and next years first round pick. I believe 2014 is the last first rounder the Knicks have traded. Going the draft route could coincide with the current big 3 contracts expiring. I do think this year was a success and certainly much more successful then the Marbury years. P
Nope Denver can swap with us in 2016 which is just as bad considering we could be in a full on rebuild at that point.
Coming back to the Melo trade. Honestly Denver was acting like are package was so horrible and it really wasnt. They got 3 legitimate rotation players and 2 draft picks. Plus they got to get rid of Billups contract. Had we not taken back Billups we still have are amnesty.
ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!
We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.
all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."
i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.
you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.
when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.
if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.
but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.
what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.
"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.
he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.
all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."
i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.
you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.
when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.
if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.
but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.
what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.
"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.
he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.
Who exactly are you talking about? Me and like 4 other posters have said the same exact thing in other threads. You're correct. Had he said and maintained that he would sign extension with NY and NY only, things may have turned out differently.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.
all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."
i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.
you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.
when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.
if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.
but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.
what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.
"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.
he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.
You got alot to learn my man, the players are paid to entertain, alot dont even receive any of their salary during the playoffs.
They may say they WANT to win, but that is NOT why the majority are there.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.
all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."
i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.
you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.
when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.
if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.
but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.
what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.
"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.
he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.
Of course he wanted to get paid, but you keep forgetting it was also a lockout season. Having that security of a guaranteed contract was equally, if not more important than the specific dollar amount. Anyone who plays basketball know they can go down with a career ending injury playing pickup. Its a huge part of the equation you seem to forget. Had it not been for the pending lockout with all the question marks, it may have gone differently as well.
dk7th wrote:It was answered. The answer was that other teams wanted Melo and would have traded for him even if it was a rent a Melo situation. However, the guy wanted an extension under the old cba prior to the lockout. It doesn't mean Denver couldn't trade him elsewhere if the Knicks didn't offer a good package for him. I am not sure why you keep posting this question. It was responded to.CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.
all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."
i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.
you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.
when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.
if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.
but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.
what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.
"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.
he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.
Knixkik wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.
sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..
tkf wrote:Frye was a disappointment and now has been diagnosed with an enlarged heart. I don't think there is a time line for him coming back. Gallo broke down again and may miss most if not all of next season. His career appeared to be on the upswing but the guy can't keep healthy. He was unable to play internationally over the summer because of back and shoulder problems if I recall correctly. Jordan Hill was also a disappointment and certainly wasn't done any favors during his time in NY. I liked him on the Lakers this year before he tore something in his hip but this was the first year that he actually did anything consistently. I used to post his stats after he had decent games because I was really upset with how he was coached in NY and with the McGrady trade. Melo is a top 5 player whether you like him or not. He is a world beater compared to those guys collectively or individually in my opinion.Knixkik wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.
sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..
1) if carmelo really wanted the knicks, all he had to do was say nothing but, I will only sign an extension with the knicks.. so whoever traded for him, "buyer beward".... that way regardless of where he got traded. he could always sign with the knicks after the season was over.. so really the comment that other teams could have traded for him, is irrelevant.....
2) carmelo wanted his money and wanted to come to the knicks second... walsh didn't want to pony up all the assets which is why Carmelo appealed to another dummy like himself... Dolan.... Dolan knew carmelo would have signed an extension in NY as did the nuggets, which is why they milked the knicks out of as much as they can... Denver knew one thing.. Greedy melo wanted his money and they used that as leverage vs a Desperate NY knicks team..
3) Had dolan stayed out, walsh would have balked at the deal and caremlo would have had no choice but to wait, take a deal elsewhere and sign if he wanted the extra money, or denver would have to just trade him to the knicks at a bargain rate... but that didn't happen, Dolan stepped in, desperate and the nuggets played the knicks.. the nets played the knicks, and carmelo played himself.... He got his money, but he will continue to be a loser.... get him off this team pronto!!!
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Frye was a disappointment and now has been diagnosed with an enlarged heart. I don't think there is a time line for him coming back. Gallo broke down again and may miss most if not all of next season. His career appeared to be on the upswing but the guy can't keep healthy. He was unable to play internationally over the summer because of back and shoulder problems if I recall correctly. Jordan Hill was also a disappointment and certainly wasn't done any favors during his time in NY. I liked him on the Lakers this year before he tore something in his hip but this was the first year that he actually did anything consistently. I used to post his stats after he had decent games because I was really upset with how he was coached in NY and with the McGrady trade. Melo is a top 5 player whether you like him or not. He is a world beater compared to those guys collectively or individually in my opinion.Knixkik wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.
sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..
Gallo broke down again? rofl this is the first majop injury of his career..
lakers gave jordan hill a new contract.. what are you talking about?
Frye was a goodplayer for the suns before his situation...
Melo is a top 5 player whether you like him or not.
in your eyes.. and even so.. what has that gotten the knicks?
NOTHING!!!
This guy and his greed and stupidity along with dolan set this franchise back years.... just watch...
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.
sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..
This is why its hard to take u seriously. U can dislike Melo fine but these comments have zero logic. Next time Galo steps on the court will be his 6th season how much possible upside does he have left? He makes 10.5 million a season,Hill makes 3.5, Frye makes 6 million. 2 of those guys wont even play next season and make the same as Melo. Even if they did play there is no way in hell Id take those 3 over Carmelo and I very much doubt the majority of GM's would. I get the guys that dont think Melo is a #1 piece but completely tearing him down like he is worthless is outlandish
TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.
all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."
i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.
you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.
when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.
if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.
but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.
what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.
"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.
he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.
Who exactly are you talking about? Me and like 4 other posters have said the same exact thing in other threads. You're correct. Had he said and maintained that he would sign extension with NY and NY only, things may have turned out differently.
okay thank you! now who are these others you are mentioning?
dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melocallmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick
That's the next step for 90% of the league!It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.
speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.
15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.
please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.
order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.
exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..
nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.
all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."
i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.
you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.
when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.
if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.
but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.
what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.
"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.
he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.
Who exactly are you talking about? Me and like 4 other posters have said the same exact thing in other threads. You're correct. Had he said and maintained that he would sign extension with NY and NY only, things may have turned out differently.okay thank you! now who are these others you are mentioning?
I cannot remember the name of the thread but I know RonRon is definitely one of them. He had a nice post about the entire situation and mentioned that same point about Melo keeping the Nets in play to force NYs hand. Myself and a couple of others agreed to it.
I dont really see how you can dispute that point either. The only reason the Nets stayed in it as long as they did is because Melo allowed them to by entertaining the idea of signing an extension with them. Im not mad at him for wanting his money though.