Knicks · NBA 2013 Mock Draft 1-30 (page 2)

CrushAlot wrote:Aldridge has Canaan going at 15.

Canaan reminds me of Tim Hardaway Sr. He is one of the strongest offensive players in this draft. He might be the best 3 pt shooter. He has the ability to control the game 5 feet behind the 3 pt line yet can also get to the basket easily. Now can he pass rebound run the show? I think so.

When you are 5' 11" with average wingspan you are giving up alot on the defensive end. Canaan has a larger wingspan than Larkin.

AnubisADL wrote:The problem with Canaan is he is 5' 11". Damian Lilliard is 6' 3".

When you are 5' 11" with average wingspan you are giving up alot on the defensive end. Canaan has a larger wingspan than Larkin.

How tall wsa Tim Hardaway--he was pretty good!

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The problem with Canaan is he is 5' 11". Damian Lilliard is 6' 3".

When you are 5' 11" with average wingspan you are giving up alot on the defensive end. Canaan has a larger wingspan than Larkin.

How tall wsa Tim Hardaway--he was pretty good!

Tim Hardaway was explosive off the dribble Canaan is not.

Vmart wrote:I think winning a championship for the Knicks out of the question for a lot more years. So I would take Gobert and develop him. The Knicks will make fruitless trips to playoffs so there will actually be no drop off from what is expected.

Knicks fans need to start thinking more about 4-5 years from now not next year. Knicks aren't winning any championships anytime soon. I like Gobert for the Knicks. I think he can be the center that the Knicks need for a long time. Very similar to Hibbert in many ways.

I hope the Knicks are not in a 4-5 year down cycle. But Id bet a lot on one matter--Rudy Gobert will go the way of Alexis Anjica and many years before him our own Freddrick Weis and will bust hard. I noticed him watching he combine he looked aloof and off balance. You cant teach size but tell me a player that fits his build and his game that is good in the nBA. Not 1.

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The problem with Canaan is he is 5' 11". Damian Lilliard is 6' 3".

When you are 5' 11" with average wingspan you are giving up alot on the defensive end. Canaan has a larger wingspan than Larkin.

How tall wsa Tim Hardaway--he was pretty good!

Tim Hardaway was explosive off the dribble Canaan is not.

Canaan is much better shooter coming out of college that Tim was tho. Not saying Canaan will be as Tim Hardaway. But I think he is a pro. His ceiling, if he's lucky, is probably a Nick Van Exel type of career. Personally, I see him having a Derick Fisher type stint in the league, barring injury.

AnubisADL wrote:Alot of these guys people are wishing to get in the 2nd round wont be available.

Agreed but it can also work the other way -- someone like Erick Green, a guy who led college basketball in scoring (while doing it extremely efficiently btw) who some people are comparing to Devin Harris/Steph Curry, may slip to the 2nd round. There's just no way to predict, even a couple of days before the draft goes down.

I'm sure I'll change another hundred times before Thurs but right now I'm thinking this:

At 24 we draft 6' PG Isaiah Canaan

With an additional pick we acquire somehow (somewhere in 30-40 range say), we draft 6'9" PF Jamelle Hagins (provided Mike Muscala isn't still on the board)

Trying to keep it realistic -- I think that would be a great draft. It would give us a very solid PG and a very underrated PF from this draft, two guys that can slide in at positions of need and contribute right away.

If I were Grunwald, I'd be confident I could get everything else I needed going the bargain-bin route in FA:

Additional PG possibilities
• Patty Mills
• Michael Loyd Jr.
• Curtis Jerrells
• Tony Taylor
• Josh Selby

A scoring forward
• Craig Brackins - they're not identical but think the inside/outside offensive firepower/versatility a younger Al Harrington would bring to the table. This guy's not even a bad rebounder as well.
• JaJuan Johnson

A legit skilled backup center
• Marcus Cousin

Another big that could add additional rebounding/more size
• Jordan Williams

Wings that can score/defend/flat out produce
• Jermaine Taylor
• Jamelle Horne
• Chris Douglas-Roberts
• Gerardo Suero
• Dominique Jones
• Gary Flowers
• Scotty Hopson
• Austin Freeman

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Picture the core intact with the following additions for next year:

6' Isaiah Canaan at 24
6'9" Jamelle Hagins (or 6'11" Mike Muscala) with an additional pick 30-40
FA 7' Marcus Cousin (it'll probably be Jerome Jordan which wouldn't be terrible, though I'd prefer Cousin)
FA 6'10" Craig Brackins
FA 6'5" Jermaine Taylor
FA 6'7" Jamelle Horne or 6'7" Chris Douglas-Roberts

That's an awful lot of talent and versatility we could add to the mix and I think it's all realistic. The biggest stretch is whether Canaan will be there at 24 and whether we have the resources to score an extra pick (hopefully we do).

He'd basically be Billups without the play making ability. If Im Indiana he'd be a nice replacement for Augustin but us I'd pass.

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need guard help with the departure of Kidd and the uncertainty of Prigioni coming back.

Our only guards under contract are Felton and Shumpert. I'm guessing the Knicks may be leaning toward a guard.

I'm guessing the Knicks might want a guard who can handle the ball as well.

Jamaal Franklin is a good ball handler along with Ricky Ledo.

Ricky has a good handle, good size and a killer J. Did I mention that he's only 19. He can solve a lot of Knick ills, now and in the future.

BigDaddyG wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The problem with Canaan is he is 5' 11". Damian Lilliard is 6' 3".

When you are 5' 11" with average wingspan you are giving up alot on the defensive end. Canaan has a larger wingspan than Larkin.

How tall wsa Tim Hardaway--he was pretty good!

Tim Hardaway was explosive off the dribble Canaan is not.

Canaan is much better shooter coming out of college that Tim was tho. Not saying Canaan will be as Tim Hardaway. But I think he is a pro. His ceiling, if he's lucky, is probably a Nick Van Exel type of career. Personally, I see him having a Derick Fisher type stint in the league, barring injury.

He actually reminds me a lot of Ray Felton, minus a slight amount of quickness maybe but with a much deadlier long-range jumper. Trying to think of other comparisons -- Jeremy Pargo maybe with a much better jumpshot. A little Sherron Collins too. I think he'll be much better than either of those guys...I actually like the Chauncey Billups comparison to a degree.

AnubisADL wrote:My problem with Canaan is he doesnt appear to quickness to get to the rim nor the explosiveness to finish at the rim.

He'd basically be Billups without the play making ability. If Im Indiana he'd be a nice replacement for Augustin but us I'd pass.

I disagree with you about his explosiveness. He will have more room in the nba and if his jumper remains consistent his ability to cause problems in the pnr will be valuable. Pgs will have to go over screens which puts them at a disadvantage giving him a step to get to the rim and make a play. I think he has enough explosiveness without the pnr but it will help even more.

yellowboy90 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:My problem with Canaan is he doesnt appear to quickness to get to the rim nor the explosiveness to finish at the rim.

He'd basically be Billups without the play making ability. If Im Indiana he'd be a nice replacement for Augustin but us I'd pass.

I disagree with you about his explosiveness. He will have more room in the nba and if his jumper remains consistent his ability to cause problems in the pnr will be valuable. Pgs will have to go over screens which puts them at a disadvantage giving him a step to get to the rim and make a play. I think he has enough explosiveness without the pnr but it will help even more.

Agree with Yellow -- Canaan looks to have an above average amount of quickness and first step. It's nothing Earth-shattering but it's definitely enough to function and function well at the next level. Who's the quickest PGs around -- CP3, D-Will? Rate those guys' quickness -- what, 9/10, 9.5/10 sound about right? Arguably the 2 best in the league...If Felton's at about an 8.5/10 this guy Canaan's about 8/10. That's more than enough -- and it looks like he's got an equally tight handle with a good combination of strength, moxie and guile. Sometimes he looks like he's a walk it up type that's not gonna turn the corner on you and then BAM -- he just split 2 defenders up high and got all the way to the rim for 2 before anyone knew what hit them. Not everyone can do that -- Kidd (circa 2012-13) and Pablo Prigioni couldn't do that -- this guy can. Gotta look at the FT shooting too -- 184 & 185 FT attempts the last 2 seasons with is above average (where he's around 82-83% on makes btw). If the 3 ball wasn't such a weapon for him (not to mention any long 2s, mid-range shots, etc.) he easily gets to the line over 200 times a year. That shows big-time aggressiveness....He's a very good combination of off-the-dribble AND perimeter threat all in one package. The light's out 40%+ perimeter shooting is what further separates him from the pack...

Finestrg wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:My problem with Canaan is he doesnt appear to quickness to get to the rim nor the explosiveness to finish at the rim.

He'd basically be Billups without the play making ability. If Im Indiana he'd be a nice replacement for Augustin but us I'd pass.

I disagree with you about his explosiveness. He will have more room in the nba and if his jumper remains consistent his ability to cause problems in the pnr will be valuable. Pgs will have to go over screens which puts them at a disadvantage giving him a step to get to the rim and make a play. I think he has enough explosiveness without the pnr but it will help even more.

Agree with Yellow -- Canaan looks to have an above average amount of quickness and first step. It's nothing Earth-shattering but it's definitely enough to function and function well at the next level. Who's the quickest PGs around -- CP3, D-Will? Rate those guys' quickness -- what, 9/10, 9.5/10 sound about right? Arguably the 2 best in the league...If Felton's at about an 8.5/10 this guy Canaan's about 8/10. That's more than enough -- and it looks like he's got an equally tight handle with a good combination of strength, moxie and guile. Sometimes he looks like he's a walk it up type that's not gonna turn the corner on you and then BAM -- he just split 2 defenders up high and got all the way to the rim for 2 before anyone knew what hit them. Not everyone can do that -- Kidd (circa 2012-13) and Pablo Prigioni couldn't do that -- this guy can. Gotta look at the FT shooting too -- 184 & 185 FT attempts the last 2 seasons with is above average (where he's around 82-83% on makes btw). If the 3 ball wasn't such a weapon for him (not to mention any long 2s, mid-range shots, etc.) he easily gets to the line over 200 times a year. That shows big-time aggressiveness....He's a very good combination of off-the-dribble AND perimeter threat all in one package. The light's out 40%+ perimeter shooting is what further separates him from the pack...

Did you hear him say anything in postseason interview about playing rookies ?

BigDaddyG wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:My problem with Canaan is he doesnt appear to quickness to get to the rim nor the explosiveness to finish at the rim.

He'd basically be Billups without the play making ability. If Im Indiana he'd be a nice replacement for Augustin but us I'd pass.

I disagree with you about his explosiveness. He will have more room in the nba and if his jumper remains consistent his ability to cause problems in the pnr will be valuable. Pgs will have to go over screens which puts them at a disadvantage giving him a step to get to the rim and make a play. I think he has enough explosiveness without the pnr but it will help even more.

Agree with Yellow -- Canaan looks to have an above average amount of quickness and first step. It's nothing Earth-shattering but it's definitely enough to function and function well at the next level. Who's the quickest PGs around -- CP3, D-Will? Rate those guys' quickness -- what, 9/10, 9.5/10 sound about right? Arguably the 2 best in the league...If Felton's at about an 8.5/10 this guy Canaan's about 8/10. That's more than enough -- and it looks like he's got an equally tight handle with a good combination of strength, moxie and guile. Sometimes he looks like he's a walk it up type that's not gonna turn the corner on you and then BAM -- he just split 2 defenders up high and got all the way to the rim for 2 before anyone knew what hit them. Not everyone can do that -- Kidd (circa 2012-13) and Pablo Prigioni couldn't do that -- this guy can. Gotta look at the FT shooting too -- 184 & 185 FT attempts the last 2 seasons with is above average (where he's around 82-83% on makes btw). If the 3 ball wasn't such a weapon for him (not to mention any long 2s, mid-range shots, etc.) he easily gets to the line over 200 times a year. That shows big-time aggressiveness....He's a very good combination of off-the-dribble AND perimeter threat all in one package. The light's out 40%+ perimeter shooting is what further separates him from the pack...

No doubt. Canaan probably has the physical tools to play in this league. His passing is suspect tho. He's not as bad as Toney Douglas, but it's going to take him a while to learn how to play point guard.

Another thing is that he is an extremely High volume but high percentage 3pt shooter over the past 2 yrs. He is an interesting prospect.

playa2 wrote:Of all the players mentioned above which one will coach Mike Woodson give meaningful minutes to?
Did he change his rookie playing policy all of a sudden ? Shumpert was an exception I believe.

Did you hear him say anything in postseason interview about playing rookies ?

If Grunwald can bring in some young talent through the draft and FA, then Woody will have to change his tune. This overload on vets in the twilight of their careers got him nowhere this year by the end.

1) Canaan is not a PG. Has no idea when to give up the ball and can't see where the ball is going
2) Poor defensive ability. At 15:50 and 16:36, another Prospect, Nate Wolters is taking him off the dribble and off blown coverage.
3) Oddly enough, @ 1:19, he's shown blowing by Wolters

Hopefully, this eliminates them Both from consideration. We damn sure don't need any more defensive liabilities.