Losing Copeland is a little bit of a hit. He could play inside out from the 3 position and was easily a top 9 rotation player who should continue to improve.
Hence we're looking into inviting Purple Drink back with additional felonies....
All it takes is a Novakesque type offer and we know what our execs will do. If I'm the Pelicans I make the offer during SL.
I wonder if this means ALF is gettable?
AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
BRIGGS wrote:I knew he was done. What the Knicks have to do in the future is add multiple years to players contracts--they dont have to be guaranteed--but its bad business to sign a young player and not add atleast a second year to the contract.
common sense he would of taken a team option 2nd year
3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
3G4G wrote:Hence we're looking into inviting Purple Drink back with additional felonies....All it takes is a Novakesque type offer and we know what our execs will do. If I'm the Pelicans I make the offer during SL.
I wonder if this means ALF is gettable?
Shawne is a definitely upgrade over Novak because he can defend but, I haven't given up on Novak yet. I think some of his struggles are as much on the coach as it was a case of slumping.
The ideal would be to be able to get and keep all 3, Shawne, Steve and Cope.
To be honest, I'm more concerned about the point and 2guard spots than I am about the 3.
AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
that is when your foundation is set and strong.. that is not us..
3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
not sure what can be done in this case, but this is what happens when you build a team this way..
If we can get rid of Novaks contract i would be more open to keeping him.
AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
Don't u know role players become our coveted budding stars when they leave, even at age 29...
holfresh wrote:AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
Don't u know role players become our coveted budding stars when they leave, even at age 29...
Yeah and when we sign them at 28 they were already great(great signing Grunny you got it Dunny)....I remember fans saying initially his game reminded them some of Melo to a small degree.
I think the wheels are going to come off this season thanks to the new CBA. I hate to be a debbie downer, but I think last year was the peak for this "Big-3's" time here.
Panos wrote:I think the wheels are going to come off this season thanks to the new CBA. I hate to be a debbie downer, but I think last year was the peak for this "Big-3's" time here.
You might be right. I think last years team over achieved. Hopefully some guys will be ufa with talent that only can get the vet mini. That is probably the talent pool the Knicks are picking from. Getting guys like Cope and Prigs were huge coups last year.
Shawne is no lock either, he's schedule to work out for a few more teams, including the Lakers where he thrived under MDA.
I thought melo would attract more FA, but his ball hogging ways and Woodsons limited playbook doesn't exactly make this an attractive destination. Shooters don't get screens, too much ISO, and suspect defense, and you can't throw $$$ you don't have.
Not to mention that under the NEW CBA teams have to use 90% of the cap, which means they will throw $$ at players who are not even that good.
CrushAlot wrote:Panos wrote:I think the wheels are going to come off this season thanks to the new CBA. I hate to be a debbie downer, but I think last year was the peak for this "Big-3's" time here.
You might be right. I think last years team over achieved. Hopefully some guys will be ufa with talent that only can get the vet mini. That is probably the talent pool the Knicks are picking from. Getting guys like Cope and Prigs were huge coups last year.
They wont win as many games and wont be the #2 seed so yeah they will be worse.Might still win the Atlantic though
knicks1248 wrote:Shawne is no lock either, he's schedule to work out for a few more teams, including the Lakers where he thrived under MDA.I thought melo would attract more FA, but his ball hogging ways and Woodsons limited playbook doesn't exactly make this an attractive destination. Shooters don't get screens, too much ISO, and suspect defense, and you can't throw $$$ you don't have.
Not to mention that under the NEW CBA teams have to use 90% of the cap, which means they will throw $$ at players who are not even that good.
it has nothing to do with attracting free agents. it's about not being able to pay them.
Uptown wrote:Cope is as good as gone. Would love to keep him but we can only offer but so much while the Pelicans are under the cap. Plus, they can offer him more consistent playing time....
Not that big a deal if he walks -- and I really like him, don't get me wrong. I just feel there's much better players out there that we can get for that role (Melo's backup/a fully capable, offensive-minded forward with skill-size) for a lot cheaper (assuming Cope scores a deal in the 3-4 mil a year range). Shawne Williams returning is one possibility. Craig Brackins would be an even better one. Instant upgrade over Copeland in my book and we could probably grab that guy for the minimum. They're slightly different players but Brackins would essentially be like adding a young Al Harrington -- I think he's that good/versatile offensively. As good an offensive player as Copeland is, and he's surprisingly solid, Brackins is better and I don't even think it's close. Better defender/rebounder than Cope as well. I've been saying it -- look for deals, look for value. They're out there. Leave no stone unturned!
yellowboy90 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Shawne is no lock either, he's schedule to work out for a few more teams, including the Lakers where he thrived under MDA.I thought melo would attract more FA, but his ball hogging ways and Woodsons limited playbook doesn't exactly make this an attractive destination. Shooters don't get screens, too much ISO, and suspect defense, and you can't throw $$$ you don't have.
Not to mention that under the NEW CBA teams have to use 90% of the cap, which means they will throw $$ at players who are not even that good.
it has nothing to do with attracting free agents. it's about not being able to pay them.
That depends on the the player, if it's a veteran player he's more then likely looking to win, if it's a younger player he's looking for the $$
3G4G wrote:holfresh wrote:AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
Don't u know role players become our coveted budding stars when they leave, even at age 29...
Yeah and when we sign them at 28 they were already great(great signing Grunny you got it Dunny)....I remember fans saying initially his game reminded them some of Melo to a small degree.
HAHA, for real.. "in Grunny and woody we trust".....
tkf wrote:3G4G wrote:holfresh wrote:AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
Don't u know role players become our coveted budding stars when they leave, even at age 29...
Yeah and when we sign them at 28 they were already great(great signing Grunny you got it Dunny)....I remember fans saying initially his game reminded them some of Melo to a small degree.
HAHA, for real.. "in Grunny and woody we trust".....
I guess as fans we have to trust them. Bringing in guys on rookie free agent mini deals that have to be rotation players and finding guys talented enough to do that was either luck or an extremely thorough approach to scouting the entire globe for players. O
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:3G4G wrote:holfresh wrote:AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
Don't u know role players become our coveted budding stars when they leave, even at age 29...
Yeah and when we sign them at 28 they were already great(great signing Grunny you got it Dunny)....I remember fans saying initially his game reminded them some of Melo to a small degree.
HAHA, for real.. "in Grunny and woody we trust".....
I guess as fans we have to trust them. Bringing in guys on rookie free agent mini deals that have to be rotation players and finding guys talented enough to do that was either luck or an extremely thorough approach to scouting the entire globe for players. O
I don't have to trust them, and I don't.. that fact that we are in this situation is no surprise.. and honestly I would not lose any sleep over copeland... we overpay novak, kidd, camby, we didn't resign lin over personal reasons, we don't have youth to develop that would stay with the team on cheap rookie deals, so we wouldn't be faced with worrying over losing a 29 year old, tunnel vision offensive playing rookie.... the reason why we have so much turnover is because of business as usual politics at msg...
