Knicks · Pelicans Pursuing Copeland (page 4)
knicks1248 wrote:here we go again blaming NOVAK for his sub par play, he gets no screens, he gets passes from melo and JR with 3 secs on the shout clock, and worst of all, he's stationary..Do you think kyle krover would be a deadly 3 point shooter if he had to constantly just sit in the corner and wait for a pass, you think reggie miller would be deadly if all he did was sit in the corner and wait for somebody to recognize he's open. No..those guys get screens and plays set for them, multiple screens..
Isnt Novak being stationary his own fault?
Aside from that I'd have to agree that there was rarely an effort to get him open. He was used to space floor for Melo. With that said though he did seem a little off this year from 3 even when he was open.
AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
So can we interchange our black hole?
knicks1248 wrote:Shawne is no lock either, he's schedule to work out for a few more teams, including the Lakers where he thrived under MDA.I thought melo would attract more FA, but his ball hogging ways and Woodsons limited playbook doesn't exactly make this an attractive destination. Shooters don't get screens, too much ISO, and suspect defense, and you can't throw $$$ you don't have.
Not to mention that under the NEW CBA teams have to use 90% of the cap, which means they will throw $$ at players who are not even that good.
In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.
loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.
I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
Vmart wrote:Cope is going to leave he is going to get more money somewhere else. Beside I am convinced he will leave even if he get the same money the jerk around that Woody did to him all season probably cost Cope more money.
Papabear Says
I agree with that. Cope will be glad to get with a team and coach that treat him with respect. Woody doged him and he would have done the same thing to Jeremy Lin if he stayed.
loweyecue wrote:AnubisADL wrote:3G4G wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Shawne Williams 2.0Peace Copeland. Let's see how good he looks on a losing team.
People need to realize the Knicks are an above average team. We can get replacement role players.
A constantly changing roster...the recipe for ultimate success
Who cares about role players. They are interchangeable.
So can we interchange our black hole?
Yes if we wanted too.
knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
CrushAlot wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
Until a player hurts his delicate fee-fees. Then we trade Sprewell for KVH; trace Camby and Nene for a broken down Antonio McDyess; and allow Lin to walk away for nothing.
VCoug wrote:The cba dictated what happened to Lin just like it may for Cope. I never have heard that Dolan was involved in the Dyess trade.CrushAlot wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
Until a player hurts his delicate fee-fees. Then we trade Sprewell for KVH; trace Camby and Nene for a broken down Antonio McDyess; and allow Lin to walk away for nothing.
CrushAlot wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
No more bank rolling, no more bloated contracts, The CBA was design to spread the wealth and this coming season is the start of it.
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
No more bank rolling, no more bloated contracts, The CBA was design to spread the wealth and this coming season is the start of it.
One thing this CBA did was make sure the Heat win every year.
There's no shortcuts in this world, the NBA is a microcosm of that. Even the Heat had to have a Wade in order to attract Lebron in FA.
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
No more bank rolling, no more bloated contracts, The CBA was design to spread the wealth and this coming season is the start of it.
Papabear Says
Unfortunately some teams have one up on the rest of the league. It's like little Johnny get an equal chance to play. Or maybe the CBA will next say every player must get a chance to play in every game. What kind of junk is that.
knickstorrents wrote:It basically made it harder for other teams to try to replicate what the Heat did. Which I think is good for the league. I personally find it hard to get behind guys who didn't go through trying times with the team. I enjoyed the David Lee/Chandler/Gallo/Robinson years because I felt we were building towards something. There were glimpses of decent play that I as a fan could imagine could turn into something better.There's no shortcuts in this world, the NBA is a microcosm of that. Even the Heat had to have a Wade in order to attract Lebron in FA.
It's nice to be nostalgic root for players that come through the draft system but the ultimate goal is to win a chip. While Gallo, Chandler, Lee and Robinson all sound good they all would eventually had to be paid, the rookie contracts they were on weren't going to last. And does anyone here honestly believe they would have beaten the Heat or any other team in the Playoffs?
Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
No more bank rolling, no more bloated contracts, The CBA was design to spread the wealth and this coming season is the start of it.
One thing this CBA did was make sure the Heat win every year.
+100000000
Damn shame...
knickstorrents wrote:It basically made it harder for other teams to try to replicate what the Heat did. Which I think is good for the league. I personally find it hard to get behind guys who didn't go through trying times with the team. I enjoyed the David Lee/Chandler/Gallo/Robinson years because I felt we were building towards something. There were glimpses of decent play that I as a fan could imagine could turn into something better.There's no shortcuts in this world, the NBA is a microcosm of that. Even the Heat had to have a Wade in order to attract Lebron in FA.
exactly...
CrushAlot wrote:VCoug wrote:The cba dictated what happened to Lin just like it may for Cope. I never have heard that Dolan was involved in the Dyess trade.CrushAlot wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Dolan has gone in whatever direction his gm has sold him as a vision for the franchise. Layden was all about high character low upside vets. Isiah chased the flavor of the month player and often took on talented but troubled guys while moving out draft picks and signing guys to unreasonable contracts. Walsh sold Dolan on the dream of Lebron and another star. To achieve it he traded away young players, draft picks, good players with bad contracts and let young guys walk for cap space. Each approach was different but not successful. Dolan relies on his baaketball guys and bankrolls what they say will make the team successful.loweyecue wrote:In the long term the CBA is the best hing that may have happened to us. Maybe Dolan will get frustrated when he realizes he cant keep buying his toys and sell the team.I think you are right... the CBA is structured to prevent the moves that Dolan likes to make (mortgage future, go over the cap, get 'talent' by taking on longer deals, etc).
It will still take time before the current mess is sorted out though.
Until a player hurts his delicate fee-fees. Then we trade Sprewell for KVH; trace Camby and Nene for a broken down Antonio McDyess; and allow Lin to walk away for nothing.
How did the CBA dictate that? We still seem to be adding salary whenever we can.
Vmart wrote:knickstorrents wrote:It basically made it harder for other teams to try to replicate what the Heat did. Which I think is good for the league. I personally find it hard to get behind guys who didn't go through trying times with the team. I enjoyed the David Lee/Chandler/Gallo/Robinson years because I felt we were building towards something. There were glimpses of decent play that I as a fan could imagine could turn into something better.There's no shortcuts in this world, the NBA is a microcosm of that. Even the Heat had to have a Wade in order to attract Lebron in FA.
It's nice to be nostalgic root for players that come through the draft system but the ultimate goal is to win a chip. While Gallo, Chandler, Lee and Robinson all sound good they all would eventually had to be paid, the rookie contracts they were on weren't going to last. And does anyone here honestly believe they would have beaten the Heat or any other team in the Playoffs?
Let me ask you then, who are you rooting for? When I think of the Spurs I think of Popovich and Duncan. Lakers = Kobe/Jackson. The Knicks? I don't really associate any player on the roster with them. So then what are you left with? Do you enjoy rooting for Dolan? Is he a likable, honorable, admirable figure to you?
I'm trying to figure out why people get attached to a team if the roster gets turned over every couple of years, and the ownership isn't likable at all.
This guy is a knick, he's from the area, he just got his feet wet proving his worth, he could be our new 6th man so I hope the knicks resign him.
Vmart wrote:knickstorrents wrote:It basically made it harder for other teams to try to replicate what the Heat did. Which I think is good for the league. I personally find it hard to get behind guys who didn't go through trying times with the team. I enjoyed the David Lee/Chandler/Gallo/Robinson years because I felt we were building towards something. There were glimpses of decent play that I as a fan could imagine could turn into something better.There's no shortcuts in this world, the NBA is a microcosm of that. Even the Heat had to have a Wade in order to attract Lebron in FA.
It's nice to be nostalgic root for players that come through the draft system but the ultimate goal is to win a chip. While Gallo, Chandler, Lee and Robinson all sound good they all would eventually had to be paid, the rookie contracts they were on weren't going to last. And does anyone here honestly believe they would have beaten the Heat or any other team in the Playoffs?
We would be capped out just the same. I think the team would look something like this if we kept Lee.Not sure Wilson Chandler would be on the team because of the cap. Now in this scenario we have are amnesty. Its quite possible the Knicks would use it on him this offseason. Using the amnesty would put us right at the cap number. We would be able to do sign and trades and we have all are draft picks plus the Full mid level.
If everyone is healthy this is actually a good team. Not sure it wins the Atlantic but it would be close. There would be a lot more flexibility for trades though.
C Amare 20 million
PF David Lee 12 million
SF Galo 10 Million
SG Shumpert 1.7 Million
PG Steve Nash 12 Million
6th man OJ Mayo Mid Level exception 5 million
7th Wilson Chandler 6 Million
8th Tony Douglas 3 million
9th Mozgov 3 million
Jerome Jordan
knickstorrents wrote:Vmart wrote:knickstorrents wrote:It basically made it harder for other teams to try to replicate what the Heat did. Which I think is good for the league. I personally find it hard to get behind guys who didn't go through trying times with the team. I enjoyed the David Lee/Chandler/Gallo/Robinson years because I felt we were building towards something. There were glimpses of decent play that I as a fan could imagine could turn into something better.There's no shortcuts in this world, the NBA is a microcosm of that. Even the Heat had to have a Wade in order to attract Lebron in FA.
It's nice to be nostalgic root for players that come through the draft system but the ultimate goal is to win a chip. While Gallo, Chandler, Lee and Robinson all sound good they all would eventually had to be paid, the rookie contracts they were on weren't going to last. And does anyone here honestly believe they would have beaten the Heat or any other team in the Playoffs?
Let me ask you then, who are you rooting for? When I think of the Spurs I think of Popovich and Duncan. Lakers = Kobe/Jackson. The Knicks? I don't really associate any player on the roster with them. So then what are you left with? Do you enjoy rooting for Dolan? Is he a likable, honorable, admirable figure to you?
I'm trying to figure out why people get attached to a team if the roster gets turned over every couple of years, and the ownership isn't likable at all.
I agree with you about player association with team I use use to equate Ewing with Knicks. You equate superstars with teams but the Knicks never ran into a superstar talent in the draft. Would you consider Gallo a superstar? I don't even consider David Lee a star player. I consider Shumpert a player to bring up and possibly has potential to be a great player. For Shump to be great JR and Woody need to get out of his way and cater to Shump just like he did JR.