Ian Begley and Marc Berman Stir The Pot With Nonsense"The Knicks' trade for Toronto big man Andrea Bargnani raises more than a few questions about next season.
Among them: Who starts at power forward next fall?
Among Mike Woodson's options at power forward are Bargnani, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. Woodson will have to be delicate with his choice here, because the decision will have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the roster." - Ian Begley
With Bargnani On The Way, Stoudemire May be Held to 20 Minute Limit" - Marc Berman
Let The Crazy Talk Begin.
Carmelo is the four. Bargnani is the three, or skill forward.
Why?
Because Stoudemire is not in the equation. Period. If he shows up healthy and ready it is a bonus. Stoudemire can play center with a shrimpy lineup. Not power forward.
Carmelo was highly effective inside last season and Bargnani, an excellent passer, is the perfect perimter compliment. Bargnani may be seven feet tall but he is NOT a big man. Meaning, he plays smaller than his height, which is perfectly cool. The 7' advantage allows him to get his shot off over anyone on the planet. It would be great of he was an elite rebounder, but hey, beggars cannot be choosey. We have acquired gifted played who is who he is. A designated sniper with modest post skills.
A first round talent who is about to be introduced to New York City.
“Everyone likes his talent, I just doubted how much he loves the game,’’ one NBA GM said. “He likes the game but loves what comes with it."
Play quality basketball in New York and Bargnani will make people forget Danilo Gallinari ever wore number 8.
He certainly will not wear number 7.
Your PF is an undersized sf who grabs 7 rebounds and shoots 44%. All below average numbers for a PF and it doesn't work in the playoffs.
Bargnani can play PF on defense to save Melo's body and Melo can play PF on offense.
It's like we are recreating the Dallas team. Surround Chandler with shooters and punish teams. 
Vmart wrote:Your PF is an undersized sf who grabs 7 rebounds and shoots 44%. All below average numbers for a PF and it doesn't work in the playoffs.
Agreed.
Melo was pounded by bigger players all season- IMO this will eventually be our downfall if he continues to play "heavy" minutes at the 4. His shoulder, his knee... The Knicks have got to be careful abusing this guy; far too much invested.
Melo played his entire career (before NY) at the 3... He never had problems scoring in Denver, did he? Not having depth at the 4 because of Amare's never-ending injuries, forces us to adjust by moving Melo.... I get it.
But with Kenyon/Amare/Bargs we should have plenty to keep him at his natural spot.
misterearl wrote:Ian Begley and Marc Berman Stir The Pot With Nonsense"The Knicks' trade for Toronto big man Andrea Bargnani raises more than a few questions about next season.
Among them: Who starts at power forward next fall?
Among Mike Woodson's options at power forward are Bargnani, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. Woodson will have to be delicate with his choice here, because the decision will have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the roster." - Ian Begley
With Bargnani On The Way, Stoudemire May be Held to 20 Minute Limit" - Marc Berman
Let The Crazy Talk Begin.
Carmelo is the four. Bargnani is the three, or skill forward.
Why?
Because Stoudemire is not in the equation. Period. If he shows up healthy and ready it is a bonus. Stoudemire can play center with a shrimpy lineup. Not power forward.
Carmelo was highly effective inside last season and Bargnani, an excellent passer, is the perfect perimter compliment. Bargnani may be seven feet tall but he is NOT a big man. Meaning, he plays smaller than his height, which is perfectly cool. The 7' advantage allows him to get his shot off over anyone on the planet. It would be great of he was an elite rebounder, but hey, beggars cannot be choosey. We have acquired gifted played who is who he is. A designated sniper with modest post skills.
A first round talent who is about to be introduced to New York City.
“Everyone likes his talent, I just doubted how much he loves the game,’’ one NBA GM said. “He likes the game but loves what comes with it."
Play quality basketball in New York and Bargnani will make people forget Danilo Gallinari ever wore number 8.
He certainly will not wear number 7.
Bargani is far from a good passer.
BRIGGS wrote:misterearl wrote:Ian Begley and Marc Berman Stir The Pot With Nonsense"The Knicks' trade for Toronto big man Andrea Bargnani raises more than a few questions about next season.
Among them: Who starts at power forward next fall?
Among Mike Woodson's options at power forward are Bargnani, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. Woodson will have to be delicate with his choice here, because the decision will have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the roster." - Ian Begley
With Bargnani On The Way, Stoudemire May be Held to 20 Minute Limit" - Marc Berman
Let The Crazy Talk Begin.
Carmelo is the four. Bargnani is the three, or skill forward.
Why?
Because Stoudemire is not in the equation. Period. If he shows up healthy and ready it is a bonus. Stoudemire can play center with a shrimpy lineup. Not power forward.
Carmelo was highly effective inside last season and Bargnani, an excellent passer, is the perfect perimter compliment. Bargnani may be seven feet tall but he is NOT a big man. Meaning, he plays smaller than his height, which is perfectly cool. The 7' advantage allows him to get his shot off over anyone on the planet. It would be great of he was an elite rebounder, but hey, beggars cannot be choosey. We have acquired gifted played who is who he is. A designated sniper with modest post skills.
A first round talent who is about to be introduced to New York City.
“Everyone likes his talent, I just doubted how much he loves the game,’’ one NBA GM said. “He likes the game but loves what comes with it."
Play quality basketball in New York and Bargnani will make people forget Danilo Gallinari ever wore number 8.
He certainly will not wear number 7.
Bargani is far from a good passer.
Yeah, that comment stood out at me too
Bargnani is the PF for this team i think. Stoudemire will backup Chandler at center. Melo plays the 4 on offense and the 3 on defense with Bargnani in the mix.
Simply sticking Bargnani in the Novak (and/or) Chris Copeland role is probably the Knicks best option, since it allows Carmelo Anthony to continue playing at the four. My research tells me the Knicks done won a whole heap of games with him in that role. With Bargnani in the Novak role (I refuse to call him a Power Novak, because the guy doesn't even try to rebound or play D), his sole responsibility would be to space the floor. Sadly, according to this Chris Herring article, Bargnani isn't even good in that role.No matter what the Knicks do with Bargnani, it's clear that they still need to solve their biggest front court weakness - a lack of defense and shot-blocking. The recent Elton Brand rumors prove (hopefully) that the front office understands their work on the big man front is far from finished. I hope you're not planning on taking a vacation anytime soon, Glen Grunwald. The Knicks need another big - an actual big, this time - and time's a-wasting.
- Joe Flynn
Amare is a C.
Melo is a PF who can now defend Sf's while AB defends PF's.
Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:misterearl wrote:Ian Begley and Marc Berman Stir The Pot With Nonsense"The Knicks' trade for Toronto big man Andrea Bargnani raises more than a few questions about next season.
Among them: Who starts at power forward next fall?
Among Mike Woodson's options at power forward are Bargnani, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. Woodson will have to be delicate with his choice here, because the decision will have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the roster." - Ian Begley
With Bargnani On The Way, Stoudemire May be Held to 20 Minute Limit" - Marc Berman
Let The Crazy Talk Begin.
Carmelo is the four. Bargnani is the three, or skill forward.
Why?
Because Stoudemire is not in the equation. Period. If he shows up healthy and ready it is a bonus. Stoudemire can play center with a shrimpy lineup. Not power forward.
Carmelo was highly effective inside last season and Bargnani, an excellent passer, is the perfect perimter compliment. Bargnani may be seven feet tall but he is NOT a big man. Meaning, he plays smaller than his height, which is perfectly cool. The 7' advantage allows him to get his shot off over anyone on the planet. It would be great of he was an elite rebounder, but hey, beggars cannot be choosey. We have acquired gifted played who is who he is. A designated sniper with modest post skills.
A first round talent who is about to be introduced to New York City.
“Everyone likes his talent, I just doubted how much he loves the game,’’ one NBA GM said. “He likes the game but loves what comes with it."
Play quality basketball in New York and Bargnani will make people forget Danilo Gallinari ever wore number 8.
He certainly will not wear number 7.
Bargani is far from a good passer.
Yeah, that comment stood out at me too
I would go so far as to say Begely and Berman aren't the only people stirring the pot. We got a dude that averages 1.3 assists.
tj23 wrote:Amare is a C.
Melo is a PF who can now defend Sf's while AB defends PF's.
AB can't defend anyone, Amare gets a block or two on his best day and Melo typically opts out. With those three on the floor the opponents will score at will every time down the floor.
loweyecue wrote:tj23 wrote:Amare is a C.
Melo is a PF who can now defend Sf's while AB defends PF's.
AB can't defend anyone, Amare gets a block or two on his best day and Melo typically opts out. With those three on the floor the opponents will score at will every time down the floor.
Defense is our coach's expertise. He was brought to the Knicks as the defensive specialist needed to snap the Knicks out of their doldrums associated with the D'antoni era. Defense is more about a willingness rather than a talent. If our coach cannot bring this effort, he should be replaced.
Sangfroid wrote:loweyecue wrote:tj23 wrote:Amare is a C.
Melo is a PF who can now defend Sf's while AB defends PF's.
AB can't defend anyone, Amare gets a block or two on his best day and Melo typically opts out. With those three on the floor the opponents will score at will every time down the floor.
Defense is our coach's expertise. He was brought to the Knicks as the defensive specialist needed to snap the Knicks out of their doldrums associated with the D'antoni era. Defense is more about a willingness rather than a talent. If our coach cannot bring this effort, he should be replaced.
Well it was supposed to be his expertise, in reality it was scarcely better than the defense played by MDA teams without half the personnel. He has no credible offense, middling defense and got badly outcoached in the playoffs. He just lucked into the best rsoter we have had in years - that was his "accomplishment". HE should still be an assistant coachsomewhere, he doesn't have the stones to be a head coach especially in NY.
54 wins is crap
loweyecue wrote:
Well it was supposed to be his expertise, in reality it was scarcely better than the defense played by MDA teams without half the personnel. He has no credible offense, middling defense and got badly outcoached in the playoffs. He just lucked into the best rsoter we have had in years - that was his "accomplishment". HE should still be an assistant coach somewhere, he doesn't have the stones to be a head coach especially in NY.
Badly outcoached in the playoffs?
Really?
Does this translate to Doc Rivers being so badly outcoached by Woodson that he bolted for the Clippers?
misterearl wrote:54 wins is craploweyecue wrote:
Well it was supposed to be his expertise, in reality it was scarcely better than the defense played by MDA teams without half the personnel. He has no credible offense, middling defense and got badly outcoached in the playoffs. He just lucked into the best rsoter we have had in years - that was his "accomplishment". HE should still be an assistant coach somewhere, he doesn't have the stones to be a head coach especially in NY.
Badly outcoached in the playoffs?
Really?
Does this translate to Doc Rivers being so badly outcoached by Woodson that he bolted for the Clippers?
That's the conclusion you draw from what I said?
misterearl wrote:Ian Begley and Marc Berman Stir The Pot With Nonsense"The Knicks' trade for Toronto big man Andrea Bargnani raises more than a few questions about next season.
Among them: Who starts at power forward next fall?
Among Mike Woodson's options at power forward are Bargnani, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. Woodson will have to be delicate with his choice here, because the decision will have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the roster." - Ian Begley
With Bargnani On The Way, Stoudemire May be Held to 20 Minute Limit" - Marc Berman
Let The Crazy Talk Begin.
Carmelo is the four. Bargnani is the three, or skill forward.
Why?
Because Stoudemire is not in the equation. Period. If he shows up healthy and ready it is a bonus. Stoudemire can play center with a shrimpy lineup. Not power forward.
Carmelo was highly effective inside last season and Bargnani, an excellent passer, is the perfect perimter compliment. Bargnani may be seven feet tall but he is NOT a big man. Meaning, he plays smaller than his height, which is perfectly cool. The 7' advantage allows him to get his shot off over anyone on the planet. It would be great of he was an elite rebounder, but hey, beggars cannot be choosey. We have acquired gifted played who is who he is. A designated sniper with modest post skills.
A first round talent who is about to be introduced to New York City.
“Everyone likes his talent, I just doubted how much he loves the game,’’ one NBA GM said. “He likes the game but loves what comes with it."
Play quality basketball in New York and Bargnani will make people forget Danilo Gallinari ever wore number 8.
He certainly will not wear number 7.
Begley has been very negative since the move was made. I don't think you can call this a same old knicks move. If the Knicks future is the 59th pick of next years draft, a late first rounder that Denver can swap in three years and a second round pick four years from now things suck really bad for the Atlantic Division champs. Begley posted that an anonymous exec said the Knicks did the eastern conference teams a favor by making the trade? Hope espn sends this guy to cover the bucks. His 'anonymous' sources always seem to have an ax to grind with the Knick organization and front office.
Sangfroid wrote:loweyecue wrote:tj23 wrote:Amare is a C.
Melo is a PF who can now defend Sf's while AB defends PF's.
AB can't defend anyone, Amare gets a block or two on his best day and Melo typically opts out. With those three on the floor the opponents will score at will every time down the floor.
Defense is our coach's expertise. He was brought to the Knicks as the defensive specialist needed to snap the Knicks out of their doldrums associated with the D'antoni era. Defense is more about a willingness rather than a talent. If our coach cannot bring this effort, he should be replaced.
He took an 18-24 team and got them to go 18-5. The next year his team won the atlanic, finished second in the east and lost to a team that took the champs to seven games in the conference finals. Has the effort or results been better for the last 10-15 years?
Thank You
CrushAlot wrote:
He took an 18-24 team and got them to go 18-5. The next year his team won the atlanic, finished second in the east and lost to a team that took the champs to seven games in the conference finals. Has the effort or results been better for the last 10-15 years?
No it has not.
Mike Woodson will bring his blend of Bobby Knight, Chuck Daly and Red Holzman to a roster featuring 7-8 new players.
Before trivializing his accomplishments, why not allow him the opportunity to see when he does with Bargnani, Hardaway, CJ Leslie, Jerome Jordan, Brand (hopefully) and the rest of his new cast of characters?
sheesh
CrushAlot wrote:misterearl wrote:Ian Begley and Marc Berman Stir The Pot With Nonsense"The Knicks' trade for Toronto big man Andrea Bargnani raises more than a few questions about next season.
Among them: Who starts at power forward next fall?
Among Mike Woodson's options at power forward are Bargnani, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. Woodson will have to be delicate with his choice here, because the decision will have a trickle-down effect on the rest of the roster." - Ian Begley
With Bargnani On The Way, Stoudemire May be Held to 20 Minute Limit" - Marc Berman
Let The Crazy Talk Begin.
Carmelo is the four. Bargnani is the three, or skill forward.
Why?
Because Stoudemire is not in the equation. Period. If he shows up healthy and ready it is a bonus. Stoudemire can play center with a shrimpy lineup. Not power forward.
Carmelo was highly effective inside last season and Bargnani, an excellent passer, is the perfect perimter compliment. Bargnani may be seven feet tall but he is NOT a big man. Meaning, he plays smaller than his height, which is perfectly cool. The 7' advantage allows him to get his shot off over anyone on the planet. It would be great of he was an elite rebounder, but hey, beggars cannot be choosey. We have acquired gifted played who is who he is. A designated sniper with modest post skills.
A first round talent who is about to be introduced to New York City.
“Everyone likes his talent, I just doubted how much he loves the game,’’ one NBA GM said. “He likes the game but loves what comes with it."
Play quality basketball in New York and Bargnani will make people forget Danilo Gallinari ever wore number 8.
He certainly will not wear number 7.
Begley has been very negative since the move was made. I don't think you can call this a same old knicks move. If the Knicks future is the 59th pick of next years draft, a late first rounder that Denver can swap in three years and a second round pick four years from now things suck really bad for the Atlantic Division champs. Begley posted that an anonymous exec said the Knicks did the eastern conference teams a favor by making the trade? Hope espn sends this guy to cover the bucks. His 'anonymous' sources always seem to have an ax to grind with the Knick organization and front office.
anonymous source is his imaginary friend Cecil.Out of all the major sports writers Basketball seems to have the most 1's full of crap
AnubisADL wrote:Bargnani can play PF on defense to save Melo's body and Melo can play PF on offense. It's like we are recreating the Dallas team. Surround Chandler with shooters and punish teams.
Melo NEEDS to play at the 3. I don't believe he has the injuries he has had if he's playing the small forward. Also, he has been in foul trouble a lot playing the 4 because he simply isn't big enough to bang with most power forwards. On a team with a small 4, he can do it but, it has to be a situational thing. You don't want your "franchise" player being broken down when you can prevent it.
