Knicks · This Amare Stoudemire injury/contract situation is reminding me of Allan Houston. Is there a way out? (page 1)

Amare Stoudemire has reached Allan Houston level franchise killing status. We cannot add anyone of consequence to run with Melo & Tyson and we cannot compete for a championship because Amare is injured and makes too much money. It is sad because he was one of my favorite Knicks. But the last two years of him barely getting on the court has chipped away at his accumulated good will. He is a stand up dude and I hate that this is happening to him but it is the fans that get their hearts broken.

Is there any way out of this? Can Amare retire and save us or is there any way to get his contract off the books? Is there any possible trade that can be made? If we cannot do anything with his contract should we blow it up and start from scratch. I like Melo and Tyson and this is the best Knick team since Sprewell was traded but what is the point if we cannot bring in someone to help them? We cannot compete with Miami with Melo alone.

I blame Dolan but I also blame Donnie Walsh for this situation. He lost the Lebron James sweepstakes and stuck us with Amare's contract. He screwed us and then ran back to Indiana.

Also Antonio McDyss..He won't retire ..He has like 43 mil left on his deal..He will milk it until its dry..

We had our chance to get out of Amare's contract. We somehow picked up Billups option only to amnesty him a few weeks later. Now we are stuck.

Silverfuel wrote:Amare Stoudemire has reached Allan Houston level franchise killing status. We cannot add anyone of consequence to run with Melo & Tyson and we cannot compete for a championship because Amare is injured and makes too much money. It is sad because he was one of my favorite Knicks. But the last two years of him barely getting on the court has chipped away at his accumulated good will. He is a stand up dude and I hate that this is happening to him but it is the fans that get their hearts broken.

Is there any way out of this? Can Amare retire and save us or is there any way to get his contract off the books? Is there any possible trade that can be made? If we cannot do anything with his contract should we blow it up and start from scratch. I like Melo and Tyson and this is the best Knick team since Sprewell was traded but what is the point if we cannot bring in someone to help them? We cannot compete with Miami with Melo alone.

I blame Dolan but I also blame Donnie Walsh for this situation. He lost the Lebron James sweepstakes and stuck us with Amare's contract. He screwed us and then ran back to Indiana.

Player 2013/14 2014/15 2015/16 2016/17 2017/18
Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893 $23,410,988 $0 $0 $0
Carmelo Anthony $21,490,000 $23,530,000 $0 $0 $0
Tyson Chandler $14,100,538 $14,596,888 $0 $0 $0
Raymond Felton $4,180,000 $4,360,000 $4,540,000 $0 $0
Steve Novak $3,750,001 $3,445,947 $3,750,000 $0 $0
Marcus Camby $3,383,773 $4,177,208 $0 $0 $0
Iman Shumpert $1,797,600 $2,761,113 $3,898,691 $0 $0
Chris Copeland $988,872 $0 $0 $0 $0
Pablo Prigioni $988,872 $0 $0 $0 $0
TOTALS: $70,381,805 $73,521,031 $8,290,000 $0 $0

2014 is when we have the opportunity to turn his massive contract into a young all star player, through sign and trade.

I still can't believe how much these clowns are making? The only players on our team last year that played up to or more than their income, are the role players, Cope, Pab, Felt, Shump. But the players with the massive income, played well below their salary, especially Amari and Tyson. At least Melo got the scoring title. He achieved something..... but that goal alone doesn't when championships.

Also, we really screwed ourselves not using the amnesty on amari. at the time, I thought it was a no brainer, but never thought Amari would fall like this. his salary alone and non insured contract was my reason. plus, you know Amari likes the paint, so why bring in Chandler who also likes the paint, without an exit strategy to avoid what we are currently going through now?

Next year we could get rid of him but we traded every draft pick we had away so it will be harder to.

Only option is to wait til after 2015. Oh wait we have JR and Felton on the books so we will have to trade them to get them off the books and we don't have multiple picks to trade to get them outta here

Agree about amnesty. Waiving Billups to get Chandler was essentially tying ourselves to Amare. It was a gigantic mistake, although there would have been no way to know in advance what a chump Stat would turn out to be. I bought into the Stat pride BS when he signed. I have irrevocably turned sour on him. He either has no heart, or no knees on which to display any heart. He is completely washed up. He will be injured most of next year as well.

The only way he saves face would be to retire and give us back a roster spot. NBot sure it would help the cap situation, but at least he'd not be clogging up the lane NOT rebounding or defending.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/946158...
"The Warriors will clear more than $24 million by sending Richard Jefferson, Andris Biedrins and Brandon Rush to the Jazz along with the package of draft picks. All three players are in the last year of their contracts."

This is where the Bargnani deal hurts us......

And just like with Allan Houston, people get mad at him for having a degenerative injury! It's not his fault. Its only two more seasons, so it's not really a repeat of Houston (that contract seemed like it would never end!)- after this season he becomes tradeable as an expiring, or we can just let him come off the books.

Boy we really fubar'd that 2010 plan. 2000-2015 15yrs of inepitude

I'm not getting any younger

If he can't play due to injury you can use the stretch provision in the cap to buy him out and reduce his cap burden (but it would stretch out over more years).

VDesai wrote:If he can't play due to injury you can use the stretch provision in the cap to buy him out and reduce his cap burden (but it would stretch out over more years).

only applies to contracts signed during the current cba.

djsunyc wrote:

VDesai wrote:If he can't play due to injury you can use the stretch provision in the cap to buy him out and reduce his cap burden (but it would stretch out over more years).

only applies to contracts signed during the current cba.

Ah Amare signed the year before- anyway I think we wouldnt use it because they are already set up for 2015 cap space.

Who would'nt want 20 mill of cap space...he's very tradable next july.

Knowing the Knicks they will reward Amare with another 100 mill.

knicks1248 wrote:Who would'nt want 20 mill of cap space...he's very tradable next july.

Sure, as long as we take a bad contract back

If you amnesty a player you still have to pay him his money. Dolan would be paying a 100mil for Amare to leave. That's not going to happen and you can't blame him for that. They could get blamed for signing him to that ridiculous contract in the first place though.

gunsnewing wrote:Only option is to wait til after 2015. Oh wait we have JR and Felton on the books so we will have to trade them to get them off the books and we don't have multiple picks to trade to get them outta here

Felton makes 4mil in the last yr of his deal which is a player option which he might even opt out. Why would we need to us a pick to dump him? Smith makes 6mil a yr not 16mil. How does that destroy our cap situation? Why would we need to use a pick or multiple picks to dump him? You use picks to dump contracts of players who don't produce. Smith at 6mil a yr is a bargain and could have gotten 7-8 from a lesser team but didn't want to play for a scrub team rather stay in NY for less. A team would gladly take Smith at 6mil and instant offense plus with the player option which he will 100% use he would be off the books the following yr reguardless.

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Only option is to wait til after 2015. Oh wait we have JR and Felton on the books so we will have to trade them to get them off the books and we don't have multiple picks to trade to get them outta here

Felton makes 4mil in the last yr of his deal which is a player option which he might even opt out. Why would we need to us a pick to dump him? Smith makes 6mil a yr not 16mil. How does that destroy our cap situation? Why would we need to use a pick or multiple picks to dump him? You use picks to dump contracts of players who don't produce. Smith at 6mil a yr is a bargain and could have gotten 7-8 from a lesser team but didn't want to play for a scrub team rather stay in NY for less. A team would gladly take Smith at 6mil and instant offense plus with the player option which he will 100% use he would be off the books the following yr reguardless.

Agreed. Smith and Felton are the type of players ( on reasonable contracts) that are moveable.

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Only option is to wait til after 2015. Oh wait we have JR and Felton on the books so we will have to trade them to get them off the books and we don't have multiple picks to trade to get them outta here

Felton makes 4mil in the last yr of his deal which is a player option which he might even opt out. Why would we need to us a pick to dump him? Smith makes 6mil a yr not 16mil. How does that destroy our cap situation? Why would we need to use a pick or multiple picks to dump him? You use picks to dump contracts of players who don't produce. Smith at 6mil a yr is a bargain and could have gotten 7-8 from a lesser team but didn't want to play for a scrub team rather stay in NY for less. A team would gladly take Smith at 6mil and instant offense plus with the player option which he will 100% use he would be off the books the following yr reguardless.

Yeah Felton will likely opt out and look for a new deal. He is worth more than 4 mil per year as a solid starting PG and will seek a long-term contract. JR Smith is what he is a great 6th man and scoring spark who is worth that money. He is moveable if needed. If we want to have only Melo (resigned), Shumpert (7M cap hold?), and THjr on payroll, we can do that easily. I think it's safe to assume Melo, Shumpert, Smith, and THjr will be the only ones under contract at that point.

I don't think getting out of the deal is the way to go. If he is healthy this year - great (he has bounced back before). If he is damaged goods for good, well then he comes off the books right in time or could be used an expirting contract to get long term assets for a team trying to shed 2015 space