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earthmansurfer wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I just have a feeling a trade is in the works....the knicks are only working with minimum money so if they wanted to sign someone they would have done it....maybe they are waiting on a deal

Judging the stupidity of the franchise, I'd say it is with Shump...

We just have to see so far grunwald has been doing a great job with the team.

EnySpree wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I just have a feeling a trade is in the works....the knicks are only working with minimum money so if they wanted to sign someone they would have done it....maybe they are waiting on a deal

Judging the stupidity of the franchise, I'd say it is with Shump...

We just have to see so far grunwald has been doing a great job with the team.

Just a thought. I don't want this to be true, but given all the issues he has had with management would anyone be surprised if it was Shump? And looking past that, should they trade him given the fact that all this drama around him, will he resign here??

The truth is Shump is our biggest trade chip. The knicks are trying to get better so if a trade came along that made us better then Shump will be gone. Shooting guard spot is taken care of at the present moment. Tim Hardaway jr and jr smith can handle it just fine.

EnySpree wrote:The drama around Shump is media driven....

The truth is Shump is our biggest trade chip. The knicks are trying to get better so if a trade came along that made us better then Shump will be gone. Shooting guard spot is taken care of at the present moment. Tim Hardaway jr and jr smith can handle it just fine.

If we can get a better PG than Felton, then I'd say that changes things for us in a big way. Wish we held on to Lin as he was a great 2nd option scoring the ball and smart upstairs. Anyway, if we can get a significantly better PG than Felton, I could see them trading Shump. Not that I agree with that...

We will trade guys that well play better outside of NY. At the same time life goes on. Our Knicks were a 50 win team lady year.

However, of all the players that we will look to sign, one at least one player cannot get a guaranteed deal, just for the sake of having the ability to pick up someone that goes on waivers, and WANTS TO go to the Knick's

So with one of these players, at least 1 has to get the unguaranteed 2 year team option deal, while with 1 we can afford to sweeten the deal

Bobby Brown
Murry

Tyler

CJ Leslie

As for CJ Leslie, I am starting to think that we are better off developing another player as Leslie will take over a year before his body fills out and he can contribute
Had we used part of the MINI MLE on him, we could have locked him on a to a 3 year deal at min cost, but for 2 years, I just don't know if it is going to be enough
With the addition of MWP and Melo, they both are not real SF's, and we need legit REAL SF's that are athletic and skilled in about all area's, especially a better defender with speed
There are still plenty of players in D League and even UFA's, but I think we should look to send CJ LESLIE to the Erning Bayhawks like Chris Smith, and have him develop there for 1-2 years

D League/Summer League
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CDR
Dwayne Davis
Malcom Thomas (he is technically on the Bulls but not sure if he is guaranteed a spot especially with the addition on Dunleavy to their already logged positions at G/F)
Thompson (Klay's brother he was on here last summer but looks improved this year)
Landry (Carl's brother)
Patrick Ewing JR

There are a lot of names but I can't remember any of them at the moment

UFA
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James Johnson

Stephen Jackson
John Salmons *not sure if he has cleared waivers yet, as he was amnestied*

Shawnnee Williams
Mike Miller
Linas Kleiza

Austin Daye
Alan Anderson
Terrence Williams
Donte Green
Damien Wilkins
Marquis Daniels

Hakeem Warrick
Dahntay Jones
Mickael Pietrus
DaJuan Summers
Devin Ebanks
Sam Young
Josh Howard
Ronnie Brewer

Mickael Gelabale
Luke Babbitt

Corey Maggette wonder if Maggette can still play, its been a couple years since he got consistent minutes but I remember he use to shoot a high FT % with high attempts with and always looked like he was in shape, but don't know if he can still play since he has not had a role with any team recently

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wonder if the wink means he's been told we'll sign him...

CrushAlot wrote:Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling 3m
If #Knicks offer Bobby Brown, he would likely make somewhere in the $800k range. But he told me that he would prefer Knicks over China.

Don't know what Jared Zwerling is talking about, these guy's are paid professionals and they either don't know what they are talking about or they know of a BIG DEAL coming, like Chandler/Iman Shumpert to Sun's with a large trade exemption

We cannot offer Bobby Brown more than the starting salary of the minimum with 0 years as a NBA player
At least not without our MLE that we used in Pablo and MWP or by going under the tax threshold which is pretty much impossible, by trading
In some cases if the salary traded is high enough for a TPE or 2 TPE's or more, we could get 2 exemptions to use, with one exemption of the rest of the 5m MLE, about 2m? and about 2m of Bi Annual Exemption

1- trading Tyson Chandler for a large salary exemption

2- trading Melo/Amare for some contracts and for a

3- trading Bargnani for a large trade exemption

4- trading JR Smith and Felton, I am not even sure if we can trade JR Smith right now, think we have to wait till the deadline

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling 3m
If #Knicks offer Bobby Brown, he would likely make somewhere in the $800k range. But he told me that he would prefer Knicks over China.

Don't know what Jared Zwerling is talking about, these guy's are paid professionals and they either don't know what they are talking about or they know of a BIG DEAL coming, like Chandler/Iman Shumpert to Sun's with a large trade exemption

We cannot offer Bobby Brown more than the starting salary of the minimum with 0 years as a NBA player
At least not without our MLE that we used in Pablo and MWP or by going under the tax threshold which is pretty much impossible, by trading
In some cases if the salary traded is high enough for a TPE or 2 TPE's or more, we could get 2 exemptions to use, with one exemption of the rest of the 5m MLE, about 2m? and about 2m of Bi Annual Exemption

1- trading Tyson Chandler for a large salary exemption

2- trading Melo/Amare for some contracts and for a

3- trading Bargnani for a large trade exemption

4- trading JR Smith and Felton, I am not even sure if we can trade JR Smith right now, think we have to wait till the deadline

Brandon Jennings too technically....

Bobby Brown does have some competition

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triang...

Every Summer League experience needs someone like Bobby Brown, the local guy who's going harder than anyone and dominates NBA players up and down the court. Brown was in the NBA for a few years — bouncing among the Kings, Clippers, Hornets, and T-wolves from 2008 to 2010 — and since then, he's been overseas. He was Drew League MVP for LAUNFD last year, and Sunday he was an absolute monster. Think Bobby Jackson with the Kings 10 years ago, or maybe Jason Terry with the Mavericks.
I don't know how many 3s he hit Sunday, but he and Durant were more or less trading possessions for the entire game. This is how LAUNFD kept pace with The Money Gang — Metta, Stephen Jackson, DeMar DeRozan, Shannon Brown, Keith Closs, and a handful of local stars — thanks mostly to Durant and Bobby Brown handling things on offense. It was a one-point game for most the day, and everything was dead even until the very end, when ... well, we'll get to Durant.

I'm very high on Bobby. I'm on the level I was on when I was begging for the knicks to sign Jeremy Lin. This dude is a diamond in the rough. He might become the starting point guard or prompt the knicks to do something to get him more floor time.

EnySpree wrote:Yeah the drew league game is going viral....knicks may have missed their opportunity to get him before he went viral with his drew league performance. It's summer ball, but ball is ball.

I'm very high on Bobby. I'm on the level I was on when I was begging for the knicks to sign Jeremy Lin. This dude is a diamond in the rough. He might become the starting point guard or prompt the knicks to do something to get him more floor time.

BigDaddyG wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Yeah the drew league game is going viral....knicks may have missed their opportunity to get him before he went viral with his drew league performance. It's summer ball, but ball is ball.

I'm very high on Bobby. I'm on the level I was on when I was begging for the knicks to sign Jeremy Lin. This dude is a diamond in the rough. He might become the starting point guard or prompt the knicks to do something to get him more floor time.

I wouldn't worry about Brown's Drew league performance. It sounds like he reps there every year.

pretty much....it's a mystery how talent like this doesn't get picked up. Americans go to overseas and become stars and never seen again stateside. Yet the Euro guys get drafted and signed every year in the nba. Not a racist thing, it's just annoying. The knicks gave James White a shot....yeah he failed, but he was still worth a shot given that he is a star overseas. Copeland is a star overseas. Knicks gave him a shot and he kicked ass. Bobby Brown needs his shot....There are countless other guys that were exiled from the nba that need a second shot.

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EnySpree wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Yeah the drew league game is going viral....knicks may have missed their opportunity to get him before he went viral with his drew league performance. It's summer ball, but ball is ball.

I'm very high on Bobby. I'm on the level I was on when I was begging for the knicks to sign Jeremy Lin. This dude is a diamond in the rough. He might become the starting point guard or prompt the knicks to do something to get him more floor time.

I wouldn't worry about Brown's Drew league performance. It sounds like he reps there every year.

pretty much....it's a mystery how talent like this doesn't get picked up. Americans go to overseas and become stars and never seen again stateside. Yet the Euro guys get drafted and signed every year in the nba. Not a racist thing, it's just annoying. The knicks gave James White a shot....yeah he failed, but he was still worth a shot given that he is a star overseas. Copeland is a star overseas. Knicks gave him a shot and he kicked ass. Bobby Brown needs his shot....There are countless other guys that were exiled from the nba that need a second shot.

EnySpree wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Yeah the drew league game is going viral....knicks may have missed their opportunity to get him before he went viral with his drew league performance. It's summer ball, but ball is ball.

I'm very high on Bobby. I'm on the level I was on when I was begging for the knicks to sign Jeremy Lin. This dude is a diamond in the rough. He might become the starting point guard or prompt the knicks to do something to get him more floor time.

I wouldn't worry about Brown's Drew league performance. It sounds like he reps there every year.

pretty much....it's a mystery how talent like this doesn't get picked up. Americans go to overseas and become stars and never seen again stateside. Yet the Euro guys get drafted and signed every year in the nba. Not a racist thing, it's just annoying. The knicks gave James White a shot....yeah he failed, but he was still worth a shot given that he is a star overseas. Copeland is a star overseas. Knicks gave him a shot and he kicked ass. Bobby Brown needs his shot....There are countless other guys that were exiled from the nba that need a second shot.

I'm with you Eny -- this is the guy I want. I go away for a week, get back and we still haven't resolved this 3rd PG thing yet. Lol..

PG is arguably the most important position on the floor. I just can't believe they've been content to pass up good opportunity after good opportunity to upgrade the position this offseason -- first they pass on Isaiah Canaan in the draft; then they fail to get involved on Eric Bledsoe (we easily could've come up with a comparable package to what the LAC got for Bledsoe imo, same neighborhood--as far as I can see, we never even made an offer); then no Darren Collison, no Aaron Brooks, etc. I feel we could've gotten one of these guys if we would've guaranteed primary backup PG duty. I don't feel the Knicks are out there making that guarantee to anyone -- that guarantee went to Pablo Prigioni. They seem to believe "they're good" when they resigned Prigioni -- I like Pablo but not as the 2nd PG -- I still maintain that if Felton ever went down for a stretch, PP would not be able to handle starter mins. PP is perfect as the 3rd PG, not as the primary backup. The man can't penetrate. He's a good enough ball mover and pretty decent 3-pt shooter but we lose all speed and penetration with Felton out of the game. How has this problem not been addressed so far?

I like Delonte West's game but seriously -- how many wackos can you have on one team? I dunno man -- Bobby Brown's the most intriguing PG opportunity left on the board imo. He addresses the need for more speed/penetration at the PG spot. He adds offensive punch and firepower -- something we can never have enough of imho...This guy has skills and could be a real nice catch here for the money...All these tweets by him indicate that he'd be willing to take less to return to the NBA, but the guy wants to play and I don't think we are giving him that guarantee...Can't expect this man to take considerably less money over Europe AND THEN take a back seat to PP. That's been the hold up regarding adding another good PG, ever since PP resigned. I just feel the Knicks should be presenting this situation as an opportunity to play--at least an opportunity to come in and compete for PT...Instead, I kinda feel they may be presenting this as a situation where PP is the backup PG and there's only PT if Felton and/or Prigioni ever went down. I kinda get the feeling that they're way over-estimating current depth at the position AND PP's worth and ability to fill in heavy mins if need be.

They may not be making this situation attractive enough in my view. WTF -- stop fooling around here and get this dude Brown before he decides to go elsewhere! I don't wanna lose out on another good PG here.