Knicks · Are the Knicks laced in B ball Politics? Camby? Shump? Lee? Copeland? Is Woody a yes man. Being richest team has pitfalls. (page 2)

Papabear wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Frank Isola wrote:That's swell, but it still doesn't explain why the Knicks couldn't just sign Smith to a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. Or did they really think another team was ready to pounce on the mercurial shooting guard on his way to the Hospital for Special Surgery?

Frank should spend more time on the free agency rules and less time on his personal vendetta. Maybe he would know that the early bird exception has to be a minimum of 2 years if he did.

ANDREW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Papabear Says

It looks like I ran into a bunch Knick lovers and that feels great to read your opinions.But I still think that Dolan has the last say on any trade Not the GM

All owners have the last say, the gm is the one responsible for initiating and making it complete.

Frank Isola Is Headed For A Fall (and its only July)

EnySpree wrote:The knicks have a guy in every poison that had some kind of injury that made them miss a chunk of last season.

That's not politics....only if you put it on a political cycle will it be seen that way.

If you spin it as guys are all healthy now and ready to go, then the knicks got considerably better this year.

Jr Smiths injury isn't going to hold the team back. Some fans believe Shumpert will be an all star. So the shooting guard spot is in good hands.

We ready for war guys. The rest of the east seemed to have gotten better, well not for nothing.....so have we

If headline-chaser reporters could see past their anti-Dolan agenda and stick to hoops, perhaps they would see that Jeremy Tyler is an upgrade from James White.

Most billionaire pro franchise owners are jerks. Do some research on their wealth and politics. That has nothing to do with with basketball.

We just finished summer league previews with a pickup squad wearing the colors. There could be a staggering total of 4 players with a fantastic opportunity to advance their dreams. Toure Murry is 6'5. We like 6'5 lead guards, yes?

Speaking of yes. Of course Mike Woodson is a yes man. The same way any Lakers coach is accountable and answers to the Buss coat of arms. The same way that Mark Cubans fingerprints are all over the Dallas Mavs, right down to the Herman Miller seats in the locker room. The man who signs the checks calls the tune. That is business.

Is there really a need for fear and loathing (after a 54 win season) in July?

Or is I Man Shumpert poised for a signature breakout season?

How grateful is Kenyon Martin that the Knicks helped restart his career in New York?

Will Carmelo enjoy having Bargnani as a distraction who can also bust a three with a more diverse skill set than Steve Novak?

You damn skippy.

One more thing. Defense is effort. Bargnani will be persuaded to donate effort by a dude named Artest. Traffic cop anyone?

Are we not men?

I can't defend Dolan from Isola even with his agenda.

Dolan and his organizational dictatorship has not produced a consistent product or developed a culture conducive to winning.

So its mid july and Isola goes off. His points are mostly valid.

We have heard this all before. Last season most writers were wrong and the team was good. For the most part the media has gotten it right.

In time it all gets sorted out on the court.

Nalod wrote:I can't defend Dolan from Isola even with his agenda.

Dolan and his organizational dictatorship has not produced a consistent product or developed a culture conducive to winning.

So its mid july and Isola goes off. His points are mostly valid.

We have heard this all before. Last season most writers were wrong and the team was good. For the most part the media has gotten it right.

In time it all gets sorted out on the court.

Isola is the media version of Dolan.

And most of points are wrong.

Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

Papa Bear, it took some time, but you finally are seeing that The Knick's make questionable moves, welcome to the "DARK SIDE"
I know you bleed orange and blue, just like I do, but you use to see almost all the moves as positives for the franchise, defend the moves of the franchise, and get defensive when posters get negative about the moves they make

Now some players take it to the extreme, but not all do, some sincerely wish the best for the Knick's but just question don't agree with the moves that the franchise makes
With this post you are starting to question the franchise itself as you have every right to do so

RonRon wrote:Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

are you kidding me? there is no question that they read the UK forum all the time,

this is the leading knicks forum in the universe,

also, they write about knicks,

we write about knicks,

UK forum is a gold mine for these guys

I have always questioned the NBA. It's one big giant business entity. It's not just the Knicks. For a while Knicks were a destination for bad contracts to go die. It became a destination where players past their prime and last leg get a new contract and extra years on top. It's know as the place where they could never really put exceptional talent around Ewing. It's a place where trades are made lopsided in favor of other teams, draft picks are thrown away like candy on Halloween.

I just don't understand how a franchise that basically mints money can't even accidentally run into a championship. There is something wrong and Isola is just reiterating what we all have been saying. Personally I feel that when owners get together the Knicks wealth works against them. I think it's a battle cry for small market owners, you have so much and we have so little. You don't need the playoffs or championships we're the small market we need every little bit.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

RonRon wrote:Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

are you kidding me? there is no question that they read the UK forum all the time,

this is the leading knicks forum in the universe,

also, they write about knicks,

we write about knicks,

UK forum is a gold mine for these guys

very true, if you notice, when we have good posts/arguments/debates/opinion
Lots of time, writers just reiterates it on their blogs/paper's/social media etc...

RonRon wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

RonRon wrote:Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

are you kidding me? there is no question that they read the UK forum all the time,

this is the leading knicks forum in the universe,

also, they write about knicks,

we write about knicks,

UK forum is a gold mine for these guys

very true, if you notice, when we have good posts/arguments/debates/opinion
Lots of time, writers just reiterates it on their blogs/paper's/social media etc...

yea which is good because they build on the raw analysis and opinion of the forum and it is now polished and it brings you joy to the life,

i'd like to see isola cover the alba draft

IronWillGiroud wrote:

RonRon wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

RonRon wrote:Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

are you kidding me? there is no question that they read the UK forum all the time,

this is the leading knicks forum in the universe,

also, they write about knicks,

we write about knicks,

UK forum is a gold mine for these guys

very true, if you notice, when we have good posts/arguments/debates/opinion
Lots of time, writers just reiterates it on their blogs/paper's/social media etc...

yea which is good because they build on the raw analysis and opinion of the forum and it is now polished and it brings you joy to the life,

i'd like to see isola cover the alba draft

LOL, with the way he writes, I could imagine him bashing a girls toe/ a mole on her body, instead of concentrating on the beauty/body/face of these beautiful/sexy woman in the Alba Draft

RonRon wrote:Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

Papa Bear, it took some time, but you finally are seeing that The Knick's make questionable moves, welcome to the "DARK SIDE"
I know you bleed orange and blue, just like I do, but you use to see almost all the moves as positives for the franchise, defend the moves of the franchise, and get defensive when posters get negative about the moves they make

Now some players take it to the extreme, but not all do, some sincerely wish the best for the Knick's but just question don't agree with the moves that the franchise makes
With this post you are starting to question the franchise itself as you have every right to do so

Papabear Says

Hey Ron Ron! No NO No! I'm not on the Dark side yet TKF have not bit me on the neck yet.So I'm still in the lite but asking more questions and seeing clearly about Dolan and the way the Knicks machine runs. They really want to win but making money loyalty when you disagree comes before a title.

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

Papa Bear, it took some time, but you finally are seeing that The Knick's make questionable moves, welcome to the "DARK SIDE"
I know you bleed orange and blue, just like I do, but you use to see almost all the moves as positives for the franchise, defend the moves of the franchise, and get defensive when posters get negative about the moves they make

Now some players take it to the extreme, but not all do, some sincerely wish the best for the Knick's but just question don't agree with the moves that the franchise makes
With this post you are starting to question the franchise itself as you have every right to do so

Papabear Says

Hey Ron Ron! No NO No! I'm not on the Dark side yet TKF have not bit me on the neck yet.So I'm still in the lite but asking more questions and seeing clearly about Dolan and the way the Knicks machine runs. They really want to win but making money loyalty when you disagree comes before a title.

no, I am not putting you in the TFK Darkside, i meant a more grey area,
Where as back then you would be more PRO KNICKS no matter what they did, you would justify it, defend it, and believe it was for the better of the franchise
But now you see things with a little bit different perspective, questioning if the moves of the franchise are really for the better of the team or for other reasons

I know we have had our fair amount on different opinions/perspectives for the better of the team, in the past, and probably will continue to have some in the future
I am not as evil (anti Knicks) as you once thought I was, I put myself more in a grey area
In fact, I actually try to give examples on how I think we can improve the team by utilizing players/rotations differently or/and with trading players, and all for the better of the KNICKS, not individual players

Anyway, hope we can have more respectful debates and share our own 2 cent's in a appropriate manner, some we may agree on and some we might not
I am sorry for some of the words I have said to you, hope we can move along and continue to cheer for the same team

Jmpasq wrote:

playa2 wrote:Like I've been saying there is a dark secret over the knicks owner James Dolan and his side kick Isiah.

What loyalties does Isiah have for orange blue and white ? NONE

I think coming from Chicago and playing in Detroit , he wants the NY knicks to suck and look bad and has convinced James Dolan to do the same. The proof has been in unseemly decisions & choices that most execs wouldn't have done , fans included.

Why would Dolan want his team to lose.

He wants to compete with Broadway so that includes max drama it sells newspapers and tickets.

Papabear wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Frank Isola wrote:That's swell, but it still doesn't explain why the Knicks couldn't just sign Smith to a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. Or did they really think another team was ready to pounce on the mercurial shooting guard on his way to the Hospital for Special Surgery?

Frank should spend more time on the free agency rules and less time on his personal vendetta. Maybe he would know that the early bird exception has to be a minimum of 2 years if he did.

ANDREW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Papabear Says

It looks like I ran into a bunch Knick lovers and that feels great to read your opinions.But I still think that Dolan has the last say on any trade Not the GM

You mean Isiah right?

RonRon wrote:

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:Isola is a troll that gets paid to be one, I am sure plenty of NYK players want to kick his ass with the way he talks/tone/be littles players and the Knick's
While some get paid NOTHING on here to do the same, anyone wonder if these writers lurk inside here on UK.com
I think some do although they might not even post, they could just read the boards for inspiration

Papa Bear, it took some time, but you finally are seeing that The Knick's make questionable moves, welcome to the "DARK SIDE"
I know you bleed orange and blue, just like I do, but you use to see almost all the moves as positives for the franchise, defend the moves of the franchise, and get defensive when posters get negative about the moves they make

Now some players take it to the extreme, but not all do, some sincerely wish the best for the Knick's but just question don't agree with the moves that the franchise makes
With this post you are starting to question the franchise itself as you have every right to do so

Papabear Says

Hey Ron Ron! No NO No! I'm not on the Dark side yet TKF have not bit me on the neck yet.So I'm still in the lite but asking more questions and seeing clearly about Dolan and the way the Knicks machine runs. They really want to win but making money loyalty when you disagree comes before a title.

no, I am not putting you in the TFK Darkside, i meant a more grey area,
Where as back then you would be more PRO KNICKS no matter what they did, you would justify it, defend it, and believe it was for the better of the franchise
But now you see things with a little bit different perspective, questioning if the moves of the franchise are really for the better of the team or for other reasons

I know we have had our fair amount on different opinions/perspectives for the better of the team, in the past, and probably will continue to have some in the future
I am not as evil (anti Knicks) as you once thought I was, I put myself more in a grey area
In fact, I actually try to give examples on how I think we can improve the team by utilizing players/rotations differently or/and with trading players, and all for the better of the KNICKS, not individual players

Anyway, hope we can have more respectful debates and share our own 2 cent's in a appropriate manner, some we may agree on and some we might not
I am sorry for some of the words I have said to you, hope we can move along and continue to cheer for the same team

Papabear Says

I agree. And hell will break loose if Melo decides to up and leave the knicks. Two big mistakes the team make. 1 they could have gotten Amare for less with 4 years and 3 guaranteed and 4th partialed. 2 They should have never signed Tyson Chandler for that kind of money. We should have waited for Chris Paul. Amare really hurt bad. Over 20 million. Damn we could have gotten 3 damn good player for 20 million. And border line all-stars or all-stars.

EnySpree wrote:The knicks have a guy in every poison that had some kind of injury that made them miss a chunk of last season.

yea because the knicks had a guy in every position that was over 60 years old

I try to check in on the free agent tracker on nba.com. There is only one free agent that an opinion is written on out of all of the guys on there and it is Cope. It says after his name, Pacers bolster their bench with Knicks Copeland. Unbelievable. There have been some huge moves in free agency and all that is mentioned is contract length etc for every guy except for the one player that left the Knicks.

CrushAlot wrote:I try to check in on the free agent tracker on nba.com. There is only one free agent that an opinion is written on out of all of the guys on there and it is Cope. It says after his name, Pacers bolster their bench with Knicks Copeland. Unbelievable. There have been some huge moves in free agency and all that is mentioned is contract length etc for every guy except for the one player that left the Knicks.

And you think we are trying to win by any means necessary ? We let go a guy who could have helped us, that explains itself.

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I try to check in on the free agent tracker on nba.com. There is only one free agent that an opinion is written on out of all of the guys on there and it is Cope. It says after his name, Pacers bolster their bench with Knicks Copeland. Unbelievable. There have been some huge moves in free agency and all that is mentioned is contract length etc for every guy except for the one player that left the Knicks.

And you think we are trying to win by any means necessary ? We let go a guy who could have helped us, that explains itself.

My point wasn't about letting go of Cope. It was about how the Knicks are treated by the media or in this case the staff at nba.com. Some really big names moved to other teams in free agency. The moves aren't judged or praised and the former team isn't mentioned. I know cope is beloved here but if you are going to choose one free agent signing to praise and mention the former team wouldn't you pick someone else? Dwight Howard, josh smith, monta Ellis, al Jefferson ... It bothers and surprises me that out of all the moves this is the move where a team gets praised.

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I try to check in on the free agent tracker on nba.com. There is only one free agent that an opinion is written on out of all of the guys on there and it is Cope. It says after his name, Pacers bolster their bench with Knicks Copeland. Unbelievable. There have been some huge moves in free agency and all that is mentioned is contract length etc for every guy except for the one player that left the Knicks.

And you think we are trying to win by any means necessary ? We let go a guy who could have helped us, that explains itself.

My point wasn't about letting go of Cope. It was about how the Knicks are treated by the media or in this case the staff at nba.com. Some really big names moved to other teams in free agency. The moves aren't judged or praised and the former team isn't mentioned. I know cope is beloved here but if you are going to choose one free agent signing to praise and mention the former team wouldn't you pick someone else? Dwight Howard, josh smith, monta Ellis, al Jefferson ... It bothers and surprises me that out of all the moves this is the move where a team gets praised.

This persecution some Knicks fans have is crazy. Go check Earl Clark, Richard Jefferson, Paul Milsap, and Brandon Rush because their entries all have the same thing as Copeland's.

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I try to check in on the free agent tracker on nba.com. There is only one free agent that an opinion is written on out of all of the guys on there and it is Cope. It says after his name, Pacers bolster their bench with Knicks Copeland. Unbelievable. There have been some huge moves in free agency and all that is mentioned is contract length etc for every guy except for the one player that left the Knicks.

And you think we are trying to win by any means necessary ? We let go a guy who could have helped us, that explains itself.

My point wasn't about letting go of Cope. It was about how the Knicks are treated by the media or in this case the staff at nba.com. Some really big names moved to other teams in free agency. The moves aren't judged or praised and the former team isn't mentioned. I know cope is beloved here but if you are going to choose one free agent signing to praise and mention the former team wouldn't you pick someone else? Dwight Howard, josh smith, monta Ellis, al Jefferson ... It bothers and surprises me that out of all the moves this is the move where a team gets praised.

Because unlike other movers Cope was a cheap and very good move by the Pacers. The other moves that you stated were more money and Cope if given those players time you mentioned he produces close to or on par with them. This is a big loss by the Knicks. This is all Woody's fault.