Knicks · Knick trying to get Udirih (page 3)

So now in retrospect, was signing Prigioni at the time for a portion of the mini-ML instead of going after Udirih weeks ago when we had more money to spend a little bit of a mistake? I think so. Udirih > Prigioni.. Just sayin'.

You can definitely make a legit case that a guy like Udirih should've been secured already and Prigioni should be the one we're trying to get now for the vet minimum. Granted a vet min. deal for a 1-yr player like PP probably wouldn't be that attractive -- so then this guy goes back to Europe and we get Bobby Brown for 800k. Seems to me that they over-spent, even ever so slightly, for PP and that may cost us right now on a guy like Beno Udirih. It may cost us Bobby Brown now too if they're not careful.

Finestrg wrote:Back to hoops -

So now in retrospect, was signing Prigioni at the time for a portion of the mini-ML instead of going after Udirih weeks ago when we had more money to spend a little bit of a mistake? I think so. Udirih > Prigioni.. Just sayin'.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Back to hoops -

So now in retrospect, was signing Prigioni at the time for a portion of the mini-ML instead of going after Udirih weeks ago when we had more money to spend a little bit of a mistake? I think so. Udirih > Prigioni.. Just sayin'.

Prigioni played very well. We couldn't let him go. Definitely getting Prigioni is better than a chance at getting Udirih. It sucks we've got so much money tied up on overpaid players and have such limited FA options though.

Fleshed out some thoughts a little above...Respectfully disagree on PP, Bonn. Not sure a 1-yr player deserved the amount of loyalty we gave him. Granted, it doesn't look like much and what we gave Pablo is definitely market worth, under even. Here's my problem: they should've forecasted a little bit better though -- if what they gave PP prohibits them from giving that same money or a little more to a better PG, then it was a mistake imho..And I like PP, don't get me wrong -- I just don't think he was the way to go if we could've used that allotment of cap money on a better PG. Two things -- they didn't appear to forecast properly and didn't really make upgrading the PG spot a major priority right from the get go. I have a little problem with this. It's a little embarrassing to hear that we're begging a player that's clearly a step up from vet minimum money to take that. If we really wanted this guy Udirih, we had more money to offer weeks ago before the Prigioni signing. Should've went after him hard then. I think that would've been the prudent way to approach a PG upgrade.

I remember we wanted to trade for him a season or two ago. Weird he hasn't had a decent offer yet, makes me wonder if the nerves thing is true.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

dude, if you got nothing to add, please move on.

Ha...more opinion policing!

Seriously. It's a great forum but I could do without the opinion policing. Violations of forum etiquette should be policed but not opinions you disagree with.

There are opinions and there are responses that have the intent of being provocative. Maybe if you say something like the original post you could include a list of guys that have given up millions to play with a certain player on another team. Something to make it not appear that you are just talking junk.

There are polite ways to ask for more info. It's clear that the opinion policing rubbed several posters the wrong way here.
I would not call what TKF said remotely close to the kind of trolling that requires an intervention from the forum moderators.

I think Martin and Andrew let this sort of thing go to a point. At some point being blunt isn't impolite it is appropriate.

Agrees. My problem with this whole thing is comments like the one from Anji suggesting that I as well as some others post to be provocative which I take huge offense to having posted here since 2002. I don't appreciate being lumped in with the few who do that sort of thing. I can positive. It depends on the kind of improvements the Knicks make. Right now we are stuck in the mud. Martin is a good friend of mind. I have no problems arguing basketball with him or anyone. Keyword basketball. I don't insult you. Don't insult me. Thank You Anji

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I think it would be a solid move.

I agree with Fine, that we should have seeked out to improved the position we clearly needed the upgrades most on FIRST, with both Nate Robinson and Udrih together
Even if we are just able to sign one of those players at around 2m per year, and then get a younger vet min type talent as 3rd string PG
It would have been very cost efficient, possibly letting Felton/Nate/Udrih challenge each other for the starting PG position and plenty of minutes go share and play together with, especially with Woodson using 2 PG's at a time

I would not have been upset if we used the MLE for 2 players like Nate and Udrih to give us different playing styles rather than overpaying for Pablo
Pablo looked REALLY GOOD on the games right BEFORE he hurt his ankle leading to the play offs
He looked like he really improved his handle, strength, and even gained some quickness/speed
Maybe even at 37, he has the worth ethic and possibly the ability to adapt and work hard on his physical abilities after getting a taste of the NBA game
However at 37 and going on to 39 when his 3 year contract ends, it is unlikely and more likely his body will break down eventually just like how Kidd broke down at their respective age

MWP would have signed for the vet min if he wanted to be in NY, with only 200k off difference for a player option
Problem was we had the rest of the MLE left when MWP was amnestied and his agent wanted to make the most $ possible for himself and his client

With F's like

James Johnson
Stephen Jackson

Shawnee Williams

Warrick
Raja Bell

still available, I would just move on to the next UFA, had MWP really thought the vet min wasn't enough
This is a position I think we still should look to add even with the addition of MWP here anyway, I just don't think CJ Leslie is ready to contribute till his body his filled out till another 2 years later

With players like Byron Mullons, Darren Collison, even DJ Augustine signing near minimum contracts or vet min like contracts, it would have been nice to have those players instead

Still there are some unsigned UFA's in Udrih, AJ Price, and some of the F's still available from the above, Pablo and MWP (with him still getting payed 7m+ by the Laker's) are vet min players

In addition to Bobby Brown, Murry, and Tyler that we could have tied up to cheap deals for 3 years with TEAM OPTIONS instead

RonRon wrote:Nate Robinson for 2m for 2 years

I agree with Fine, that we should have seeked out to improved the position we clearly needed the upgrades most on FIRST, with both Nate Robinson and Udrih together
Even if we are just able to sign one of those players at around 2m per year, and then get a younger vet min type talent as 3rd string PG
It would have been very cost efficient, possibly letting Felton/Nate/Udrih challenge each other for the starting PG position and plenty of minutes go share and play together with, especially with Woodson using 2 PG's at a time

I would not have been upset if we used the MLE for 2 players like Nate and Udrih to give us different playing styles rather than overpaying for Pablo
Pablo looked REALLY GOOD on the games right BEFORE he hurt his ankle leading to the play offs
He looked like he really improved his handle, strength, and even gained some quickness/speed
Maybe even at 37, he has the worth ethic and possibly the ability to adapt and work hard on his physical abilities after getting a taste of the NBA game
However at 37 and going on to 39 when his 3 year contract ends, it is unlikely and more likely his body will break down eventually just like how Kidd broke down at their respective age

MWP would have signed for the vet min if he wanted to be in NY, with only 200k off difference for a player option
Problem was we had the rest of the MLE left when MWP was amnestied and his agent wanted to make the most $ possible for himself and his client

With F's like

James Johnson
Stephen Jackson

Shawnee Williams

Warrick
Raja Bell

still available, I would just move on to the next UFA, had MWP really thought the vet min wasn't enough
This is a position I think we still should look to add even with the addition of MWP here anyway, I just don't think CJ Leslie is ready to contribute till his body his filled out till another 2 years later

With players like Byron Mullons, Darren Collison, even DJ Augustine signing near minimum contracts or vet min like contracts, it would have been nice to have those players instead

Still there are some unsigned UFA's in Udrih, AJ Price, and some of the F's still available from the above, Pablo and MWP (with him still getting payed 7m+ by the Laker's) are vet min players

In addition to Bobby Brown, Murry, and Tyler that we could have tied up to cheap deals for 3 years with TEAM OPTIONS instead

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:Nate Robinson for 2m for 2 years

I agree with Fine, that we should have seeked out to improved the position we clearly needed the upgrades most on FIRST, with both Nate Robinson and Udrih together
Even if we are just able to sign one of those players at around 2m per year, and then get a younger vet min type talent as 3rd string PG
It would have been very cost efficient, possibly letting Felton/Nate/Udrih challenge each other for the starting PG position and plenty of minutes go share and play together with, especially with Woodson using 2 PG's at a time

I would not have been upset if we used the MLE for 2 players like Nate and Udrih to give us different playing styles rather than overpaying for Pablo
Pablo looked REALLY GOOD on the games right BEFORE he hurt his ankle leading to the play offs
He looked like he really improved his handle, strength, and even gained some quickness/speed
Maybe even at 37, he has the worth ethic and possibly the ability to adapt and work hard on his physical abilities after getting a taste of the NBA game
However at 37 and going on to 39 when his 3 year contract ends, it is unlikely and more likely his body will break down eventually just like how Kidd broke down at their respective age

MWP would have signed for the vet min if he wanted to be in NY, with only 200k off difference for a player option
Problem was we had the rest of the MLE left when MWP was amnestied and his agent wanted to make the most $ possible for himself and his client

With F's like

James Johnson
Stephen Jackson

Shawnee Williams

Warrick
Raja Bell

still available, I would just move on to the next UFA, had MWP really thought the vet min wasn't enough
This is a position I think we still should look to add even with the addition of MWP here anyway, I just don't think CJ Leslie is ready to contribute till his body his filled out till another 2 years later

With players like Byron Mullons, Darren Collison, even DJ Augustine signing near minimum contracts or vet min like contracts, it would have been nice to have those players instead

Still there are some unsigned UFA's in Udrih, AJ Price, and some of the F's still available from the above, Pablo and MWP (with him still getting payed 7m+ by the Laker's) are vet min players

In addition to Bobby Brown, Murry, and Tyler that we could have tied up to cheap deals for 3 years with TEAM OPTIONS instead

Well you would have had to guess right that Nate would fall through the cracks and be available for that amount. You also would have to resign yourself to the fact that you were letting Prigs and Cope go. The Knicks prioritized Prigs long before the market for Nate seemed to dry up.

I don't see Prig's getting a deal before Udrih and some of the PG's still available, not at 37
We signed him an offer sheet to the minimum like Copeland and Lin

As for Copeland, Pacer's would not even have offered him a contract unless it was higher than what we were capable of matching with

Getting him reduces priggy to assistant coach status. I think Urich is that good. He proved that with Orlando.

RonRon wrote:I don't see Prig's getting a deal before Udrih and some of the PG's still available, not at 37
We signed him an offer sheet to the minimum like Copeland and Lin

As for Copeland, Pacer's would not even have offered him a contract unless it was higher than what we were capable of matching with

Prigs just turned 36 a few months back and played very well for the Knicks, and considering their cap status, they had to make him a priority. His vet min is like $800K, which is why they used the mini mle on him.

You also have to look at it from the downside: if Prigs left the Knicks, what other PG could they have signed to be #2 and #3 slots?

i never understood why udrih never caught on with a team for more than a couple seasons. he shoots well, he pushes the ball well, doesn't turn the ball over a whole lot and plays half-decent defense. i like it, gonna be tough to get him to accept the minimum though.

gunsnewing wrote:I agree there are some baiters here but we all can't agree. It's not a discussion

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:Nate Robinson for 2m for 2 years

I agree with Fine, that we should have seeked out to improved the position we clearly needed the upgrades most on FIRST, with both Nate Robinson and Udrih together
Even if we are just able to sign one of those players at around 2m per year, and then get a younger vet min type talent as 3rd string PG
It would have been very cost efficient, possibly letting Felton/Nate/Udrih challenge each other for the starting PG position and plenty of minutes go share and play together with, especially with Woodson using 2 PG's at a time

I would not have been upset if we used the MLE for 2 players like Nate and Udrih to give us different playing styles rather than overpaying for Pablo
Pablo looked REALLY GOOD on the games right BEFORE he hurt his ankle leading to the play offs
He looked like he really improved his handle, strength, and even gained some quickness/speed
Maybe even at 37, he has the worth ethic and possibly the ability to adapt and work hard on his physical abilities after getting a taste of the NBA game
However at 37 and going on to 39 when his 3 year contract ends, it is unlikely and more likely his body will break down eventually just like how Kidd broke down at their respective age

MWP would have signed for the vet min if he wanted to be in NY, with only 200k off difference for a player option
Problem was we had the rest of the MLE left when MWP was amnestied and his agent wanted to make the most $ possible for himself and his client

With F's like

James Johnson
Stephen Jackson

Shawnee Williams

Warrick
Raja Bell

still available, I would just move on to the next UFA, had MWP really thought the vet min wasn't enough
This is a position I think we still should look to add even with the addition of MWP here anyway, I just don't think CJ Leslie is ready to contribute till his body his filled out till another 2 years later

With players like Byron Mullons, Darren Collison, even DJ Augustine signing near minimum contracts or vet min like contracts, it would have been nice to have those players instead

Still there are some unsigned UFA's in Udrih, AJ Price, and some of the F's still available from the above, Pablo and MWP (with him still getting payed 7m+ by the Laker's) are vet min players

In addition to Bobby Brown, Murry, and Tyler that we could have tied up to cheap deals for 3 years with TEAM OPTIONS instead

Well you would have had to guess right that Nate would fall through the cracks and be available for that amount. You also would have to resign yourself to the fact that you were letting Prigs and Cope go. The Knicks prioritized Prigs long before the market for Nate seemed to dry up.

I don't see Prig's getting a deal before Udrih and some of the PG's still available, not at 37
We signed him an offer sheet to the minimum like Copeland and Lin

As for Copeland, Pacer's would not even have offered him a contract unless it was higher than what we were capable of matching with

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I agree there are some baiters here but we all can't agree. It's not a discussion

That's the case everywhere. I think this is one of the gentlest forums actually.

Agreed. I don't get why it's necessary to insult everyone who is not happy with the direction of he team. When all we want is a deep playoff run for the first time since 99. Personally I suffered too much with this team. It's impossible for me to waive my knick pom poms with the East improving everyday. Hopefully I'm there in 2015. Until then I will continue to be critical of every lateral move. At this rate I might just give up arguing all together. It's not like I will get any apologies if things to wrong this year as I fully expect

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I agree there are some baiters here but we all can't agree. It's not a discussion

That's the case everywhere. I think this is one of the gentlest forums actually.

Agreed. I don't get why it's necessary to insult everyone who is not happy with the direction of he team. When all we want is a deep playoff run for the first time since 99. Personally I suffered too much with this team. It's impossible for me to waive my knick pom poms with the East improving everyday. Hopefully I'm there in 2015. Until then I will continue to be critical of every lateral move. At this rate I might just give up arguing all together. It's not like I will get any apologies if things to wrong this year as I fully expect

MaTT4281 wrote:"Opinion policing" would imply someone is prevented from sharing their opinion. We've seen those opinion shared ad nauseum, at a certain point, there is absolutely no substance left. Not sure if there was a point other than baiting into the same arguments over and over...

Back to the topic, I would be shocked if the Knicks could land Udrih. I'd love him on the roster, but 1) are there enough minutes at point to satisfy him? 2) Likely out of our price range. Keeping my fingers crossed though.

so every time someone uses the argument that " carmelo will draw other players here" lets keep your post in mind.. because that opinion is shared around here more than mine... so lets not talk ad nauseum...