Knicks · Melo looking to improve his game! (page 4)

Papabear @ 8/24/2013 11:43 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??

Bonn1997 @ 8/24/2013 11:47 AM
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.
newyorknewyork @ 8/24/2013 12:14 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

It was stated that he wanted to work on pick and rolls. I don't believe he means working on his pull up jumper off of the pick or driving to the rim. More then likely it would mean working on finding teammates off of the PNR.

Anji @ 8/24/2013 3:30 PM

Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

nixluva @ 8/24/2013 10:33 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

It was stated that he wanted to work on pick and rolls. I don't believe he means working on his pull up jumper off of the pick or driving to the rim. More then likely it would mean working on finding teammates off of the PNR.

Melo is a scorer and his looking to be more efficient is a good thing. Now he can improve on passing simply by looking to setup his teammates in the flow of the offense. He was doing that more early in the season, but again when we started losing guys it forced Melo to have to shoot more.

Honestly I really don't worry about Melo passing that much. I worry about having guys for him to PASS TO! That's important as well. When he would pass to Kidd or Prigs or even Shump those guys weren't always willing to shoot it. Now we have more guys who will be confident in knocking down the shot. There's a lot that Melo can do to improve outside of just passing the ball more. I think it's more important to score in the flow of the offense than to force shots on ISO's. When you score in the flow everyone is still involved and the defense is still having to move. That leads to better shots for everyone. BALL and PLAYER MOVEMENT!

Papabear @ 8/25/2013 12:35 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??

yellowboy90 @ 8/25/2013 1:56 AM
if hi s pnr can go up 5-7 % that would be great. it's not just about his scoring either. This probably gets his assists ups too. So far as a knifk he has increaced his pnr duties regularly in small increments. So, 5-7% maybe a big number but I think it is doable.
Bonn1997 @ 8/25/2013 2:02 AM
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.
Papabear @ 8/25/2013 10:40 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.

knickscity @ 8/25/2013 10:52 AM
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

CrushAlot @ 8/25/2013 11:10 AM
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

The Knicks were 7-8 without Melo. Victories when he was out were against the Cavs, Suns, Jazz twice, Pistons and the Hawks in the last game of the season. Not a really an assortment of quality opponents. Only one of those teams wasn't a lottery team and that game was the last of the season. Can't remember if the Hawks were resting guys.
knickscity @ 8/25/2013 11:59 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

The Knicks were 7-8 without Melo. Victories when he was out were against the Cavs, Suns, Jazz twice, Pistons and the Hawks in the last game of the season. Not a really an assortment of quality opponents. Only one of those teams wasn't a lottery team and that game was the last of the season. Can't remember if the Hawks were resting guys.

Did you conveniently leave Miami off the list?
CrushAlot @ 8/25/2013 12:02 PM
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

The Knicks were 7-8 without Melo. Victories when he was out were against the Cavs, Suns, Jazz twice, Pistons and the Hawks in the last game of the season. Not a really an assortment of quality opponents. Only one of those teams wasn't a lottery team and that game was the last of the season. Can't remember if the Hawks were resting guys.

Did you conveniently leave Miami off the list?
Nope. I forgot about Miami. Miami and 6 wins against lottery teams doesn't prove guys can cover for Melo in stretches in my opinion.
knickscity @ 8/25/2013 12:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

The Knicks were 7-8 without Melo. Victories when he was out were against the Cavs, Suns, Jazz twice, Pistons and the Hawks in the last game of the season. Not a really an assortment of quality opponents. Only one of those teams wasn't a lottery team and that game was the last of the season. Can't remember if the Hawks were resting guys.

Did you conveniently leave Miami off the list?
Nope. I forgot about Miami. Miami and 6 wins against lottery teams doesn't prove guys can cover for Melo in stretches in my opinion.

Sure it does, because thats exactly what they did, that record and + rating absolutely proves that could hold things down in a short interval.

No one is saying the team can win as much without him, obviously they couldnt, but the proof is there they can win some games without him.

Wins WIITHOUT your best player ALWAYS proves something.

CrushAlot @ 8/25/2013 1:30 PM
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

The Knicks were 7-8 without Melo. Victories when he was out were against the Cavs, Suns, Jazz twice, Pistons and the Hawks in the last game of the season. Not a really an assortment of quality opponents. Only one of those teams wasn't a lottery team and that game was the last of the season. Can't remember if the Hawks were resting guys.

Did you conveniently leave Miami off the list?
Nope. I forgot about Miami. Miami and 6 wins against lottery teams doesn't prove guys can cover for Melo in stretches in my opinion.

Sure it does, because thats exactly what they did, that record and + rating absolutely proves that could hold things down in a short interval.

No one is saying the team can win as much without him, obviously they couldnt, but the proof is there they can win some games without him.

Wins WIITHOUT your best player ALWAYS proves something.

They can win some games without him. They won against lottery bound teams and had one win against the Heat. Wizards and Pistons also beat the Heat.
Bonn1997 @ 8/25/2013 2:22 PM
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

haha. Apparently it's hate to talk about the fact that the team played well with Melo off the court (and better with him on it). If I talked about how shitty the team would be without him, then that counts as supporting the team!
Bonn1997 @ 8/25/2013 2:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

The Knicks were 7-8 without Melo. Victories when he was out were against the Cavs, Suns, Jazz twice, Pistons and the Hawks in the last game of the season. Not a really an assortment of quality opponents. Only one of those teams wasn't a lottery team and that game was the last of the season. Can't remember if the Hawks were resting guys.

That's a small sample but it's a good enough winning % for the 8th seed like I said.
knickscity @ 8/25/2013 3:27 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.

The Knicks were 7-8 without Melo. Victories when he was out were against the Cavs, Suns, Jazz twice, Pistons and the Hawks in the last game of the season. Not a really an assortment of quality opponents. Only one of those teams wasn't a lottery team and that game was the last of the season. Can't remember if the Hawks were resting guys.

Did you conveniently leave Miami off the list?
Nope. I forgot about Miami. Miami and 6 wins against lottery teams doesn't prove guys can cover for Melo in stretches in my opinion.

Sure it does, because thats exactly what they did, that record and + rating absolutely proves that could hold things down in a short interval.

No one is saying the team can win as much without him, obviously they couldnt, but the proof is there they can win some games without him.

Wins WIITHOUT your best player ALWAYS proves something.

They can win some games without him. They won against lottery bound teams and had one win against the Heat. Wizards and Pistons also beat the Heat.

whats the wizards and pistons record without their best player? that is the subject at hand.
Papabear @ 8/25/2013 4:03 PM
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.


Papabear Says

Come on how long would that have last?

knickscity @ 8/25/2013 4:26 PM
Papabear wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?


What's wrong or inaccurate? I've definitely given Melo credit for the positive things he does. He's a scoring specialist (positive) who is below average in all other phases of the game.
And, no, I don't want any human being to have a season ending injury.

Papabear Says

Do you agree that if Melo left the team today or tomorrow we would probably be a Lottery team with no picks??


Left as in being waived or losing him for nothing? I've never advocated for that happening. As a scoring specialist, he does have an important role. To answer your question, I think we'd at least be an 8th seed though (.463 winning percentage last year). Probably better.

Papabear Says

Bonn why don't you stop it! Melo is the best man on the team and if you think they will be an 8th place playoff team , who picks up the slack?? who is the guy to lead us to the playoffs if Melo was gone??


Why don't you become a little more tolerant? Per 48 min last year, the Yankees were plus 1.3 when Melo was off the floor (and 6.0 with him on it). So although he helped the team, they were still better than their opponents when he was out. That really shouldn't be surprising. The team has a number of solid (but not great) players.

Papabear Says

If Melo opps out of his contract next season every other teams in the NBA will be trying to get him. Melo is a star. A great player who Lebron said he would love to play with and Kobe also. Why is this. Your judgement of Melo is built on hate not facts.You and the rest of your crew pull up stats numbers as though that's the true facts that people must go on and it's bull sh!!. At least I go to about 10 -12 games per season and support my team while you sit back and complain all season with nothing positive to say. You have many teams in the NBA who never won a championship and never made it to the finals and never won 54 games. Enjoy the moment man. Enjoy Melo because he will retire a Knick and you can bank on that. So you better prepare to be miserable for a while.


All he said was the team had a winning record even when melo didnt play, obviously he makes the club better on the court.

But this simple fact suggest that guys can cover his work for stretches, they did it 15 games last season, and even a few of those losses were extremely close....like that OKC loss at the Garden.

the team had guys who could step up, to deny that is just as bad.


Papabear Says

Come on how long would that have last?


a stretch, not sure whats so hard to understand...they already did it.

No one is suggesting a whole season without him.

nixluva @ 8/25/2013 4:40 PM
This argument is pointless. Melo at this point is the star of the team and this year they've given him the best help he's had since being here. Melo does need help. It will keep him fresh and in the playoffs it will give defenses something else to worry about and make what he does more impactful.

Basically I wanted to point to the idea that if Melo does indeed look to score more on actually BB plays rather than hold the ball ISO's then that's a GREAT development. There is no negative angle to take on this. We can't know if he'll really increase the rate of PnR plays etc, but if he does that would be a very good thing. Melo and his trainer identified a part of his game that is very efficient but that he hasn't used enough and I think if he's highlighting PnR then that will lead to an improvement in the amount of these plays he tries to execute. That's a good thing. Especially now that he'll have more teammates who can also excel in the PnR/PnP game.

Now someone tried to insinuate that teams will shut down the PnR, but what you have to do is disguise when you're going to use it. If it comes in a very natural and fluid manner as opposed to being stiff and obvious then it works. Fluid ball and player movement leads a defense to being out of position and it becomes easier to run set plays and ad lib. That's when PnR plays work best. You get the ball and player movement and then BANG a PnR/PnP. The same goes for curls and such. Just getting Melo to look to score more in the flow of the offense will be a major victory. This team KILLED teams when the ball was constantly moving. That's what we need to get more of. It's entirely possible that Melo can do this because it's all in his control. He simply has to decide this is what he wants to do on the court just like when he makes up his mind to hold the ball and go ISO. It's a choice not a talent.

Page 4 of 7