Knicks · Those three kids who killed that young ballplayer (page 8)
NardDogNation wrote:misterearl wrote:Commodities TradingLast night i spotted Patrick Ewing at Busboys and Poets on 14th and V Street in washington DC. He was enjoying dinner with another former pro. Patrick was animated and jovial. I was reminded that pro athletes are a fraternity. They are not simply statistics, or trading cards. They are people who have managed to reach the pinnacle of their profession via hard work and dedication. They are people.
Is it a coincidence that a poster like BRIGGS, whose perceptions about race are naive at best, at worst, willfully ignorant of history and context - is the first to rush in with Knicks trade proposals for these "commodities" showing little regard for their humanity or interpersonal interaction?
Once upon a time families were auctioned into slavery. Their relationships to homeland, culture and each other, destroyed for generations to suffer. Generations. Charleston SC, New Orleans LA and Annapolis MD are outstanding places to visit and learn.
Proposing trades is fun and entertaining. It is the foundation for fantasy leagues, debates and second guessing every transaction any general manager completes. Let us not forget that the men we celebrate, critique and sometimes even despise... are people.
With all due respect, I think it is a bit unfair to attach Briggs to this mentality. I have no doubt that this mentality exists but the vast majority of fans enjoy trades because they create such a dynamic and compelling narrative. As much as I have a passing interest in other sports, I would imagine that it is true for their fans as well. I do agree with your final comment about the need to respect these men as men. It seems that people forget that all too often, especially when they screw up.
I was working at a Law Firm in Hempstead LI as a Legal Assistant. I handled arbitration and small claims cases. I was the only minority among the legal staff and often, if something needed to be lifted or moved (work outside of my responsibilities as a professional) the Lawyers would walk right past the White staff to ask ME, the only minority to do the lifting or moving, etc.
At first I though maybe I was being a little over sensitive until I it happened multiple times. Afterwards, I had a closed door session with the managing attorney and it stopped. Unfortunately, the other staff and some of the Lawyers became very....standoffish afterwards. Conversation would stop the moment I entered the break rooms and things started appearing on my desk like little monkey statuettes....very small things that I often felt went overboard but, would also make me look like a complainer if I made an issue of them. I eventually left and thanks to God ended up in a far better place.
BRIGGS wrote:playa2 wrote:Here's a question for anyone: If your great great grandfather was murdered and robbed of his land and possessions by my great great grandfather, and you knew I was the descendant of the person who murdered your ancestors and took his land, would it be OK for me to tell you to get over it?playa--banks do that to thousands of folks everyday-- the next time you stop in for sushi-- remember the cooks parents couldve been obliterated by a bomb that your pops helped drop are they over it? Thats history folks clean the slate and live your life. No reason to hate 90% of any folks--the kid had a learned hatred from somewhere hes only 16.
The Present
BRIGGS - as stated, moving on is always preferred. Especially when it lets the offending party off the hook.
You refused to address the following for a reason
how do you rationalize the disparity of current-day hate crime statistics?
How do you explain the significant rise in death threats against the president of the United States?
You glossed past the current story of 25 people who were refused service at a Wild Wing restaurant because one white woman said they made her feel uncomfortable.
This is the present. It is not 1945 or 1965. It may be difficult to confront. Take a deep breath and consider a truth outside of your neighborhood.
Help me out here
BRIGGS wrote:
...- the next time you stop in for sushi-- remember the cooks parents couldve been obliterated by a bomb that your pops helped drop are they over it? Thats history folks clean the slate and live your life. No reason to hate 90% of any folks--the kid had a learned hatred from somewhere hes only 16.
BRIGGS - Generational wealth for corporations, families and the entire system was built on enslaved people. The wealth is still used for continued oppression through political influence, lending practices, insurance rates, repression and general exclusion long after the practice of slavery ended.
Aetna, Inc., the United States’ largest health insurer, recently apologized for selling policies in the 1850s that reimbursed slave owners for financial losses when their slaves died.
When you get a moment BRIGGS, if you have the courage or intellectual curiousity, look up how JP Morgan, Aetna insurance or Lehman Brothers built their empires by leveraging enslaved African as collateral, or cash-value commodities.
Get over it you say.
I say read a book.
88 year-old WWII vet beat to death in his car for his wallet.
“The motive for this attack was robbery," Spokane Police Chief Frank Straub said, adding that the victim's wallet was found discarded near the crime scene."Race was not a factor. Additionally, there was no gang activity that was associated with his incident," he added, apparently responding to some commentators who had seized on the fact the teens were black and the victim was white.
"These are two young men who just spun out of control."
Belton was found wedged between the two front seats. His family said doctors told them he was battered so badly he would have sustained brain damage and had lost too much blood to survive.
"Our information is that the individual fought back and that may have made this a worse situation," Straub said when asked about the viciousness of the beating.
Reverse the races and tell me what happens when the media tries to play the "it's not racial" card.
Help me out here. Tell me what happens when a dead black senior citizen war hero who fought back and got his brains handed to him by two "out of control" white boys is told he "may have made the situation worse". Please.
by Justin Doolittle
Kathleen Parker, who won a Pulitzer Prize by peddling the kind of vapid, milquetoast conservatism that passes for serious thought in this country, has decided, for reasons beyond my comprehension, to weigh in on race relations in America. She remains disappointed, months later, by President Obama's fateful decision to weigh in on the murder of Trayvon Martin and rightly point out that, if he had a son, that son would look like Trayvon. It was considered by sensible people to be the most sincere and poignant thing Obama said about the murder.
Kathleen Parker, though, doesn't think so. For Kathleen Parker, with that single sentence, Barack Obama viciously betrayed the dream of Martin Luther King, Jr., by judging Trayvon by the color of his skin and not the content of his character. Perhaps the president should have, while standing in front of the Washington press corps, conducted a thorough character evaluation of the murdered child, instead of relating to him and his parents in the way that he did. That's surely what Dr. King would have done.
Parker then expresses outright skepticism at Obama's subsequent claim that he was followed around in stores and perpetually suspected of shoplifting because of the color of his skin. "All because he was black?" the incredulous Parker wonders. Unpersuaded by that tired "racism" hypothesis for why some people are followed in stores, Parker reveals, matter-of-factly and without hint of irony, that she, too, has been followed:
Even today, I am followed when I go to the second floor of a boutique in Georgetown. Apparently, store policy requires that an attendant be upstairs when a shopper is. The way department store clerks follow me around, you’d think my face was plastered on a “Wanted for Shoplifting” poster. This is especially so if I’m dressed like a slob.
Yeah, enough with all this endless complaining, black people. Who among us hasn't been unreasonably suspected of shoplifting? Why, just the other day, when I was ascending to the second floor of this fabulous boutique in Georgetown, some overanxious clerk insisted on [following store policy] and coming up with me! And that's when it hit me: everything I've ever heard about the so-called "black experience" in America is really just hogwash. The black experience, it turns out, is, for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from the experience of being a wealthy white person on the second floor of a boutique in Georgetown![/i]
From there, Parker's column just goes off the rails completely:
But like it or not, the way we present ourselves to the world affects the way we are treated. Thus it has always been. I’m betting that few women today clutch their purses tighter when a well-groomed man, black or white, enters the elevator. A punk wearing his britches around his rump and telegraphing attitude? Even Jesse Jackson — or Eminem — might feel a tingle of discomfort.
What a graf. The first two pointless sentences just form an absurdly obvious and banal truism. The third sentence is an entirely subjective, evidence-free assertion that casually attempts to reverse hundreds of years of exhaustively documented racial profiling in America. Then, the columnist who purports to be some kind of cultural arbiter, with a keen sense of contemporary society, employs the words "britches" and "rump" in a single sentence. As for the final sentence, what? What the fuck kind of thought process led to Jesse Jackson and Eminem being chosen for inclusion in that sentence, out of all the human beings in the world? This paragraph, this column, appeared in a respected national newspaper, remember. This woman has a Pulitzer Prize.
Parker then raises the ludicrous and insane possibility that Barack Obama's utterly innocuous comments about Trayvon Martin "nourished the killing passions" of the accused murderers of Chris Lane. If Beck or Limbaugh were to say something like this, it would result, justifiably, in widespread mocking and outrage; when a newspaper columnist says the same thing in a less strident, more sophisticated way, nobody seems to mind.
In an exciting twist that takes place near the end of the column, Parker reveals that she is an outright racist. She states, with confidence and without evidence, that if the racial makeup in some recent high-profile murder cases had been reversed, there would be "riots." This is one of the great tactics of racists in this age in which overt racism is socially unacceptable: positing that, if X happened, those dark-skinned barbarians would surely riot, slaughter every white in sight, etc. The beauty of this tactic is that it requires no evidence of any kind and thus can be trotted out at will.
The column ends with Parker decreeing that nobody should talk about this petty, annoying little topic of race, ever. I propose first applying this directive to oblivious, rich white people who claim to understand the black experience in America.
DurzoBlint wrote:NardDogNation wrote:misterearl wrote:Commodities TradingLast night i spotted Patrick Ewing at Busboys and Poets on 14th and V Street in washington DC. He was enjoying dinner with another former pro. Patrick was animated and jovial. I was reminded that pro athletes are a fraternity. They are not simply statistics, or trading cards. They are people who have managed to reach the pinnacle of their profession via hard work and dedication. They are people.
Is it a coincidence that a poster like BRIGGS, whose perceptions about race are naive at best, at worst, willfully ignorant of history and context - is the first to rush in with Knicks trade proposals for these "commodities" showing little regard for their humanity or interpersonal interaction?
Once upon a time families were auctioned into slavery. Their relationships to homeland, culture and each other, destroyed for generations to suffer. Generations. Charleston SC, New Orleans LA and Annapolis MD are outstanding places to visit and learn.
Proposing trades is fun and entertaining. It is the foundation for fantasy leagues, debates and second guessing every transaction any general manager completes. Let us not forget that the men we celebrate, critique and sometimes even despise... are people.
With all due respect, I think it is a bit unfair to attach Briggs to this mentality. I have no doubt that this mentality exists but the vast majority of fans enjoy trades because they create such a dynamic and compelling narrative. As much as I have a passing interest in other sports, I would imagine that it is true for their fans as well. I do agree with your final comment about the need to respect these men as men. It seems that people forget that all too often, especially when they screw up.
I was working at a Law Firm in Hempstead LI as a Legal Assistant. I handled arbitration and small claims cases. I was the only minority among the legal staff and often, if something needed to be lifted or moved (work outside of my responsibilities as a professional) the Lawyers would walk right past the White staff to ask ME, the only minority to do the lifting or moving, etc.
At first I though maybe I was being a little over sensitive until I it happened multiple times. Afterwards, I had a closed door session with the managing attorney and it stopped. Unfortunately, the other staff and some of the Lawyers became very....standoffish afterwards. Conversation would stop the moment I entered the break rooms and things started appearing on my desk like little monkey statuettes....very small things that I often felt went overboard but, would also make me look like a complainer if I made an issue of them. I eventually left and thanks to God ended up in a far better place.
disgusting story ... Will never understand how some people can behave like that.
White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
The challenge is to remain vigilant when arbitrary perception, or opinion based in stereotypes, seeps into describing other areas of culture - like basketball.
Hit the open man indeed.
jskinny35 wrote:My 2 cents...White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.
arkrud wrote:jskinny35 wrote:My 2 cents...White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.
no question blacks recognized the plight of the jews and identified with that struggle, and vice-versa... which is perhaps the reason why there were a lot of american jews who were involved in the civil rights struggle.
putting a great deal more tax dollars into day care and pre-k will do wonders for racial equality down the road. education leads to better jobs and better jobs lead to more money and more money leads to better neighborhoods and better neighborhoods lead to better schools.
Its not just an AMerican invention.
Tribe vs. Tribe, White vs. Black, Christian vs. Muslim, Jew vs. Muslim, Straight vs. Gay.......Get in line.
Most Americans in their bloodlines exerienced some hardship in their existance.
Most of us have stories. My family exiled in pre-revolutionary Russia to escape the Pogroms in 1881-1905 campaign. They were the lucky ones.
While they came here voluntarily they were kicked out of their homes and lost their way to provide for their family. They were Russians first and yet their own kind turned on them. As they did in Nazi Germany. Imagine your neighbors, your teachers, your friends, and your culture all turning their backs. They were soldiers who fought for their country, then beaten and stripped of their lives.
I don't pretend to fully understand the American black experience having not lived it. We push if forward little by little year by year.
Progress is made but its incremental.
arkrud wrote:
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.
arkrud - there is a difference when the color of your skin is an undeniable identifying trait.
Otherwise, why would Yankee announcer Mel Allen have changed his name from Mel Israel?
jrodmc wrote:Normally with the AnswerMan...88 year-old WWII vet beat to death in his car for his wallet.
“The motive for this attack was robbery," Spokane Police Chief Frank Straub said, adding that the victim's wallet was found discarded near the crime scene."Race was not a factor. Additionally, there was no gang activity that was associated with his incident," he added, apparently responding to some commentators who had seized on the fact the teens were black and the victim was white.
"These are two young men who just spun out of control."
Belton was found wedged between the two front seats. His family said doctors told them he was battered so badly he would have sustained brain damage and had lost too much blood to survive.
"Our information is that the individual fought back and that may have made this a worse situation," Straub said when asked about the viciousness of the beating.
Reverse the races and tell me what happens when the media tries to play the "it's not racial" card.
Help me out here. Tell me what happens when a dead black senior citizen war hero who fought back and got his brains handed to him by two "out of control" white boys is told he "may have made the situation worse". Please.
First and foremost, people preying on the elderly and disabled is HORRIBLE. I sympathize with the victim and their family for their loss. At the same time, the motive for the crime sounded like it had much more to do with them robbing the man than it had to do with race, which is why the man's wallet was taken. Had they simply beat up the man, we'd be having a different story. Context is everything in a story and you're missing the difference between what you offered and some of the cases/instances that misterearl is providing. The same thing can be said about Briggs example, since he's glossing over the fact that one of the accomplices was white and the 2nd speculated to be bi-racial. The race-motive wouldn't make sense with one of the fellow attackers being white- the same race as the victim.
arkrud wrote:jskinny35 wrote:My 2 cents...White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.
With all due respect, you got a country that had been subsidized by other countries, billions of dollars in aid after the fact and fat contracts for the best weapons money can buy. There are similarities between our two peoples and then there is that HUGE difference. More importantly, lets cut the shit that affirmative action was some kind of handout for blacks because to this day, the biggest beneficiaries have been white people (namely white women) and has been similarly enjoyed by other minorities.
NardDogNation wrote:arkrud wrote:jskinny35 wrote:My 2 cents...White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.With all due respect, you got a country that had been subsidized by other countries, billions of dollars in aid after the fact and fat contracts for the best weapons money can buy. There are similarities between our two peoples and then there is that HUGE difference. More importantly, lets cut the shit that affirmative action was some kind of handout for blacks because to this day, the biggest beneficiaries have been white people (namely white women) and has been similarly enjoyed by other minorities.
Yes, your racism is worse than his racism. Your racisim is your reality, but if you digest others you might find some very good stories.
Nalod wrote:NardDogNation wrote:arkrud wrote:jskinny35 wrote:My 2 cents...White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.With all due respect, you got a country that had been subsidized by other countries, billions of dollars in aid after the fact and fat contracts for the best weapons money can buy. There are similarities between our two peoples and then there is that HUGE difference. More importantly, lets cut the shit that affirmative action was some kind of handout for blacks because to this day, the biggest beneficiaries have been white people (namely white women) and has been similarly enjoyed by other minorities.
Yes, your racism is worse than his racism. Your racisim is your reality, but if you digest others you might find some very good stories.
Are you trying to accuse me of being racist?
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misterearl wrote:Speakin of Knicks basketball, there was a great piece on Marty Glickman last night on HBO.arkrud wrote:
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.arkrud - there is a difference when the color of your skin is an undeniable identifying trait.
Otherwise, why would Yankee announcer Mel Allen have changed his name from Mel Israel?
Why the color of your skin is different from the shape of your nose or the hat on your head?
It is not so in US but in any European country Jews can be easily identified by anybody.
You should be blind or seriously mentally impaired to not recognize religious Jew just by their appearance.
I by the way cannot distinguish between African Americans, Caribbean, Indian, or African black skin people, but you probably do this with easy.
For me color of the skin is absolutely irrelevant. It tells me nothing about the person. Same goes about any other biological differences.
Its water under the bridge..ive heard worse
NardDogNation wrote:arkrud wrote:jskinny35 wrote:My 2 cents...White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.With all due respect, you got a country that had been subsidized by other countries, billions of dollars in aid after the fact and fat contracts for the best weapons money can buy. There are similarities between our two peoples and then there is that HUGE difference. More importantly, lets cut the shit that affirmative action was some kind of handout for blacks because to this day, the biggest beneficiaries have been white people (namely white women) and has been similarly enjoyed by other minorities.
We do not "get a country" - we build it and fight for it.
This is a shelter to keep us alive.
And if it was subsidized - it was subsidized by us.
We earned this wealth and use it for common good instead of wasting it on various bullsht.
Affirmative action is a double-edged sword - it helps and it corrupts.
So we prefer to depend only on what we have not what anybody else will agree to share.
NardDogNation wrote:Nalod wrote:NardDogNation wrote:arkrud wrote:jskinny35 wrote:My 2 cents...White people really can't understand what a black or minority person feels or has gone through - but they should be sensitive, respectful and aware!
Don't know Briggs - but his perspective is his own (based on his experiences and exposure) - no sense being mad that he doesn't share others - could he really share Misterearls?
Many white people do carry a sense of guilt/responsibility - even if they do their best to not contribute/reinforce negative stereotypes and racist views
As a white person, I do see lots of racism (subtle and overt) and try to do my responsible piece (above). I think many white people claim/feel intimidated by the reality of other people's existence, and don't know what to do or how to act. Confronting an African American person's family history can be uncomprehensible for a privileged/white person. The facts/history are often horrible. I like that Briggs introduced this topic - perhaps his subconscious wanted him to learn/expand his views?
Peace!
As a Jewish national I can relate to this.
We were slaves in ancient Egypt, we faced segregation for 2 thousand years, we faced genocide hundreds of times including complete extinction of 6 million European Jews by Nazis with massive help of all European nations and silence from the rest of the world.
So what kind of affirmative action we should ask from human race?
Will it bring back 1 million children killed in concentration camps?
No. We are doing our own affirmative action. We are rising above hate and we still believe in good in all people.
We do not forget but we forgive. And so we persist and advance.
Racism is 2-side process. To exist it not only should be expressed but should be answered back.
If you answer with love and understanding to the hate - there is no more hate.With all due respect, you got a country that had been subsidized by other countries, billions of dollars in aid after the fact and fat contracts for the best weapons money can buy. There are similarities between our two peoples and then there is that HUGE difference. More importantly, lets cut the shit that affirmative action was some kind of handout for blacks because to this day, the biggest beneficiaries have been white people (namely white women) and has been similarly enjoyed by other minorities.
Yes, your racism is worse than his racism. Your racisim is your reality, but if you digest others you might find some very good stories.
Are you trying to accuse me of being racist?
Not at all, just be open about others plight and history. Isreal's existance and finacial support does change history. Some how if Isreal exists it some how lessen the holocost?
All im saying is just not to say one is worse then the other. Is Genocide worse than Slavery? Lets not compare, lets say they are different and have devastating effects.
We all have our own experiences or our families for historical basis. I know families devistated by the Holocost. Future generations will move on and it will decrease. Today a poster discussed how bad it felt to be in law professional in a a firm being the only minority in the practice. A few generations removed from slavery he IS working in a law office and maybe making good money where there has not been a minority in the firm before. Is that progress? There was a time when getting a good educaton still did not open doors to those who were qualified and deserved consideration. His discrimination is not a violation of human rights, not paid, whipped, or other horrorable acts. Still discrimination hurts, but its progress. Todays generation makes strides of tolerace and advancement on both sides. Today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow COULD be better still.
Genocide still takes place on the planet as does slavery. We are not just americans but part of the human race. My point is to digest others plights besides the American black exerience, or the German Jewsish experience, but the human experience.
I am an optomist and see history can repeat itself, but it also evolves with positive effect as well.
It disgusts me to see how Obama is portrayed by racist attitudes but it marks progress that our country voted in a Black American as the President of the United States! Thats ten steps forward and maybe 2 steps back. Its still 8 steps forward!!!