Knicks · Cole Alrich signed (page 2)

well......it shouldnt hurt. we need size.

I like the move. Let him come in and compete. The man's nearly 7' tall and physical -- he was a very good rebounder and weakside shot-blocker at Kansas. We could use that. I also like the move for Diogu. These 2 feel a cut above the dreck we usually bring in to round out a training camp/SL roster...Like Chandler, K-mart, Artest to a degree -- Aldrich's a big that works well with what we already have, Bargnani in particular. Bargnani scores the ball and Aldrich rebounds and defends the interior...Let's see.

Reading that we have 1 more spot left for training camp -- I'm thinking another 2/3 wing. Maybe Chris Douglas-Roberts, Sam Young or Terrence Williams. I'm concerned about being down JR indefinitely with this injury then another 5 games with the suspension. What if Shump breaks down or can't handle the mins. Woody might expect early on? What if THJ shows he isn't ready? What if, man....Would like a little more insurance here as well..

MSG3 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Good signing! This is the perfect situation for him, he can learn from both Tyson and KMart. He reminds me of a poor man's Tyson.

Now I'm not saying he's better than Tyson...far far from it....but he's probably better with the ball in his hands. He can hit a hook or a baby jumper. Not a terrible defender. Poor mans Camby I think is better.

How about he's nothing like either....Cole Aldrich has better finishing ability inside below the rim. Dude does have starter potential. Good pick up for us. I'm almost hoping Tyson's vagina falls out so Cole can get his shot at serious minutes.

Geez a lot of these guys won't make the team.

How does he compare to a Omer Asik, who he backed up last year in Houston before being traded to sacto? He didn't earn many minutes there.

technomaster wrote:Geez a lot of these guys won't make the team.

How does he compare to a Omer Asik, who he backed up last year in Houston before being traded to sacto? He didn't earn many minutes there.

I think he compares favorably. Asik got 30 mins/night last year and Aldrich averaged 8. Look at his college numbers, his DL numbers that one year --- they compare favorably. He's definitely a better shot-blocker than Asik and I think he'd also put up similar rebounding and scoring numbers if given similar mins. This was a nice signing. Just hope his knee is sound. I betcha he makes this team.

Just reading over at Realgm that the Knicks have shown interested in Derrick Byars as of a couple of days ago. Looks like it might be between us and Memphis:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/229...

Nice. At least tells me Knicks brass might be looking for another skilled wing. I've talked about Byars many times on this board. He can play. 6'7", experienced (dude's 29 years old), he can shoot/score, defend. He's always had above average athleticism as well. Quality player... See if this goes anywhere. I'd take this guy for more SG/SF depth in a heartbeat. Another quality wing is the final piece to add if you ask me. We brought in Aldrich; now sign Byars for training camp and let's start sorting it all out. Byars is definitely good enough talent-wise for the NBA. And I'm not ready to hand THJ anything. If he winds up playing a lot early on with JR out, I want him to have earned it. Byars would still be a great extra piece to have on hand for depth.

I like the signing. He's a good rebounder and shot blocker who can finish. He should take some pressure off Chandler.

EnySpree wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Good signing! This is the perfect situation for him, he can learn from both Tyson and KMart. He reminds me of a poor man's Tyson.

Now I'm not saying he's better than Tyson...far far from it....but he's probably better with the ball in his hands. He can hit a hook or a baby jumper. Not a terrible defender. Poor mans Camby I think is better.

How about he's nothing like either....Cole Aldrich has better finishing ability inside below the rim. Dude does have starter potential. Good pick up for us. I'm almost hoping Tyson's vagina falls out so Cole can get his shot at serious minutes.

What do you mean by that? Tyson is usually one of the dunk leaders each year. I can't imagine Aldrich will be better at finishing below the rim.

Interesting. Aldrich's advanced stats look quite respectable. He probably would have helped against Hibbert.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Good signing! This is the perfect situation for him, he can learn from oth Tyson and KMart. He reminds me of a poor man's Tyson.

Now I'm not saying he's better than Tyson...far far from it....but he's probably better with the ball in his hands. He can hit a hook or a baby jumper. Not a terrible defender. Poor mans Camby I think is better.

How about he's nothing like either....Cole Aldrich has better finishing ability inside below the rim. Dude does have starter potential. Good pick up for us. I'm almost hoping Tyson's vagina falls out so Cole can get his shot at serious minutes.

What do you mean by that? Tyson is usually one of the dunk leaders each year. I can't imagine Aldrich will be better at finishing below the rim.

dunking is above the rim..... Cole is better at finishing insude without dunking. Cole has better footwork and uses his body well around the rim.

His game brings a slightly different look inside for us when Chandler is out. He's a big country boy. I love that style of play inside

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Good signing! This is the perfect situation for him, he can learn from oth Tyson and KMart. He reminds me of a poor man's Tyson.

Now I'm not saying he's better than Tyson...far far from it....but he's probably better with the ball in his hands. He can hit a hook or a baby jumper. Not a terrible defender. Poor mans Camby I think is better.

How about he's nothing like either....Cole Aldrich has better finishing ability inside below the rim. Dude does have starter potential. Good pick up for us. I'm almost hoping Tyson's vagina falls out so Cole can get his shot at serious minutes.

What do you mean by that? Tyson is usually one of the dunk leaders each year. I can't imagine Aldrich will be better at finishing below the rim.

dunking is above the rim..... Cole is better at finishing insude without dunking. Cole has better footwork and uses his body well around the rim.

His game brings a slightly different look inside for us when Chandler is out. He's a big country boy. I love that style of play inside

Oh, OK. That makes sense.

Bonn1997 wrote:Interesting. Aldrich's advanced stats look quite respectable. He probably would have helped against Hibbert.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Check somee video on him. He's very active and he talks Alot out there.

The more I talk about him the more excited I am that we have him. I feel like we have a guy that could really hold down that back up position fir us. Maybe more in a year or so

Another white guy! If he sticks, IWG will be a Knicks fan for sure this season! just kidding...

What does he squat?

No only way OBM comes back is if the Knicks sign a nasty 7ft Eastern European who can be moved from the post because he is obsessed with doing squats

They really should allow 17 players on the roster...
They could mandate that 2 or 3 have to be in the D-League roster but allow them to be called up.
The D-League teams need to be transitioned to a true minor league system ala baseball.

jrodmc wrote:Another white guy! If he sticks, IWG will be a Knicks fan for sure this season! just kidding...

What does he squat?

More importantly what does he dead lift.
http://www.stack.com/video/1860738144001/Roy-Hibbert-540-lbs-Deadlift/

If he were to make the team, who doesn't get in? By most accounts we only have 1 slot available.
We're talking 15th man, though folks seem to think Leslie doesn't have game.

But would they let go of Leslie or Tyler to squeeze in more players at the end of the bench?

GOOD signing...was begging for a backup big. Now if I can only find the footage of The Game punching Brandon Jennings in the face, my day would be complete :)

technomaster wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Another white guy! If he sticks, IWG will be a Knicks fan for sure this season! just kidding...

What does he squat?

More importantly what does he dead lift.
http://www.stack.com/video/1860738144001/Roy-Hibbert-540-lbs-Deadlift/

If he were to make the team, who doesn't get in? By most accounts we only have 1 slot available.
We're talking 15th man, though folks seem to think Leslie doesn't have game.

But would they let go of Leslie or Tyler to squeeze in more players at the end of the bench?

As long as this knucklehead doesn't make the team:

technomaster wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Another white guy! If he sticks, IWG will be a Knicks fan for sure this season! just kidding...

What does he squat?

More importantly what does he dead lift.
http://www.stack.com/video/1860738144001/Roy-Hibbert-540-lbs-Deadlift/

If he were to make the team, who doesn't get in? By most accounts we only have 1 slot available.
We're talking 15th man, though folks seem to think Leslie doesn't have game.

But would they let go of Leslie or Tyler to squeeze in more players at the end of the bench?

that's not a deadlift hibbert is doing,

but let's assume for a second that it is: hibbert weighs 280 lbs and this 'deadlift' is 540 lbs, or 1.92 x bodyweight

when i hit my 1 rep max of 340 lbs i did at a body weight of 220, or 1.55 x bodyweight,

now, why hibbert is not doing a deadlift:

first, the plates aren't on the ground, they're raised,

second, on every other rep after the first one, he bounces the bar off the metal; infraction: a DEADlift is so called because the weight you are picking up is DEAD, from the floor, it's not moving; if you bounce, you're not doing a deadlift.

third, he's using wraps? weak.

this is a deadlift:

i'm tired of these fugazy lifts we keep seeing from pro players,

can't an nba team afford to hire one or two proper strength coaches?

technomaster wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Another white guy! If he sticks, IWG will be a Knicks fan for sure this season! just kidding...

What does he squat?

More importantly what does he dead lift.
http://www.stack.com/video/1860738144001/Roy-Hibbert-540-lbs-Deadlift/

If he were to make the team, who doesn't get in? By most accounts we only have 1 slot available.
We're talking 15th man, though folks seem to think Leslie doesn't have game.

But would they let go of Leslie or Tyler to squeeze in more players at the end of the bench?

I think the Knicks may be looking at this as 1 spot remaining, as in Jeremy Tyler and CJ Leslie are already on the team. Bringing in all these other guys is just them going thru the motions more or less just to do their diligence AND to fill the 15th spot. I feel that's the wrong approach..

I personally feel spots 13-15 should all be up for grabs -- no way do I consider JT and Leslie the locks the Knicks and a lot of fans feel they are. It makes no sense. Look at the situation with both guys -- JT is a project that has a broken foot. How on earth is he a lock for this team? He wasn't even a draft pick of ours....If something happens to one or 2 of our bigs early on (STAT and Bargnani have been injured recently; Chandler has shown he's a guy that's gonna misses time with injury, illness etc.; K-Mart's older now with a lot of miles on him; same for Artest who's more of a 3 anyway but still) -- I want a big that has enough size and skill that we can throw right in there and (a) he won't be intimidated by NBA ball and (b) he's got a good chance to slide right in, produce and pick up where the injured player left off. Hey maybe I'm shortchanging JT a little bit -- I was never a fan, I see a raw player, but maybe he could've fit the above 2-way criteria. But guess what, he's hurt now and won't be ready to start the season.

The thing is, I also want A WING that's ready to contribute in the NBA. Same deal -- we're down JR indefinitely, what if Shump's not ready for big mins and/or breaks down (even one of his leg cramp/dehydration issues where he misses some time, even if it's time within only one game where, say, he goes down with a cramp and misses an entire 2nd half)?, what if Hardaway Jr. isn't ready to pick up the slack and ready for big mins.?, etc. What if we overshot this draft pick and THJ isn't even NBA material?? I don't know he is for a fact...Nobody really knows that yet...I personally don't think CJ Leslie is anywhere near ready for the NBA. So where's that leave us? I think we need depth here as well. Quality depth -- the best we can get our hands on at the moment...Now if you follow this logic, then we'll need an extra roster spot open here too.

Instead of JT, Leslie and whoever (fill in the blank) --- I'd rather see them prioritize and come up with a better, more sensible plan with these last 3 spots -- gimmie a viable skilled big man that's ready to contribute (Aldrich?) and a quality wing (CDR, Sam Young, T-Will, Derrick Byars?) FIRST. Then, and only then, think about filling the last spot with whoever else -- another big perhaps (Diogu, keep JT?), keep Leslie, take a chance on Toure Murry, etc. That's how this whole end-of-the-roster issue needs to be approached and resolved. To just say JT and Leslie are locks and we only have 1 spot left is a mistake. I mean one of these projects is hurt for Christ's sake! We're trying to win a championship here!! Every game is important, starting with game 1!! 3 spots should be wide open right now, not only 1.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

technomaster wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Another white guy! If he sticks, IWG will be a Knicks fan for sure this season! just kidding...

What does he squat?

More importantly what does he dead lift.
http://www.stack.com/video/1860738144001/Roy-Hibbert-540-lbs-Deadlift/

If he were to make the team, who doesn't get in? By most accounts we only have 1 slot available.
We're talking 15th man, though folks seem to think Leslie doesn't have game.

But would they let go of Leslie or Tyler to squeeze in more players at the end of the bench?

that's not a deadlift hibbert is doing,

but let's assume for a second that it is: hibbert weighs 280 lbs and this 'deadlift' is 540 lbs, or 1.92 x bodyweight

when i hit my 1 rep max of 340 lbs i did at a body weight of 220, or 1.55 x bodyweight,

now, why hibbert is not doing a deadlift:

first, the plates aren't on the ground, they're raised,

second, on every other rep after the first one, he bounces the bar off the metal; infraction: a DEADlift is so called because the weight you are picking up is DEAD, from the floor, it's not moving; if you bounce, you're not doing a deadlift.

third, he's using wraps? weak.

this is a deadlift:

i'm tired of these fugazy lifts we keep seeing from pro players,

can't an nba team afford to hire one or two proper strength coaches?

That's good to know. Hibbert is tough enough as it is

DurzoBlint wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

technomaster wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Another white guy! If he sticks, IWG will be a Knicks fan for sure this season! just kidding...

What does he squat?

More importantly what does he dead lift.
http://www.stack.com/video/1860738144001/Roy-Hibbert-540-lbs-Deadlift/

If he were to make the team, who doesn't get in? By most accounts we only have 1 slot available.
We're talking 15th man, though folks seem to think Leslie doesn't have game.

But would they let go of Leslie or Tyler to squeeze in more players at the end of the bench?

that's not a deadlift hibbert is doing,

but let's assume for a second that it is: hibbert weighs 280 lbs and this 'deadlift' is 540 lbs, or 1.92 x bodyweight

when i hit my 1 rep max of 340 lbs i did at a body weight of 220, or 1.55 x bodyweight,

now, why hibbert is not doing a deadlift:

first, the plates aren't on the ground, they're raised,

second, on every other rep after the first one, he bounces the bar off the metal; infraction: a DEADlift is so called because the weight you are picking up is DEAD, from the floor, it's not moving; if you bounce, you're not doing a deadlift.

third, he's using wraps? weak.

this is a deadlift:

i'm tired of these fugazy lifts we keep seeing from pro players,

can't an nba team afford to hire one or two proper strength coaches?

That's good to know. Hibbert is tough enough as it is

yea, he's definitely strong, not taking anything away from him he's my favorite center in the game today,

and tyson's favorite too