Bizarre indeed
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gunsnewing wrote:Nalod wrote:
Maybe there is some traction to the story about Dolan wanting Shump traded and Grunwald disagreed?I hate to think this low of the decisions but in the end they just are THAT bad.
I think Mills was the "Fall guy" for the Isiah fiasco and DOlan is really sticking it to Stern for "Making" him hire and Dolan and maybe recently for Stern having him and Prokhorv sit down and look each other in the eye and work things out.
Again, crap like this makes us think the worst of this dude. Dolans resume in his watch is just awful. I hope he got good kids, you know, maybe one Jeannie Buss like kid.
Why the speculation about Phil?
Isiah been way too quiet lateley.
Remember when George was infactuated with Billy Martin? At least Billy got it done!
It's pretty clear to me that panic was at an all time high when the Nyets ripped the city right out of th Knicks hands when they traded for kg and pierce. Dolan gave Grunwald the ultimatitive of countering the move. Unfortunately the previous regimes with the help of the owner himself left us with no assets but Shumpert. Lin kicked To the curb for nothing . Amare a $100mil bench player etc
The bargnani trade was curious because its not cap friendly to the knicks. The reasons that he did not sign Lin went out the window with BARGNANI. Lin has yet to light the world on fire but Rockets took a risk, and its one that is based on upside. Dolan don't like to take upside risks.
Bargnani got Isiah written all over it. Maybe this one works.
What could have pissed off the little general so bad? Dude got Nyet Envy? Upset Nets getting good press for taking a fresh approach to Kidd coaching?
gunsnewing wrote:Melo is getting the max now. 2015 is out the window. Book it.
Unless we hire a GM with a plan and Dolan gets out if the way which isn't happening
You have to understand our cap position before you say things like that. NO ONE is on the books for 2015. JR has an option that year at a VERY affordable rate. Besides him there's Hardaway Jr. So when Melo signs there will still be room for another max.
So yes, the team still is in good shape moving forward, but it is a bad sign when a competent GM is replaced for no good reason.
what kind of message does this send to the players
MSG3 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Melo is getting the max now. 2015 is out the window. Book it.
Unless we hire a GM with a plan and Dolan gets out if the way which isn't happening
You have to understand our cap position before you say things like that. NO ONE is on the books for 2015. JR has an option that year at a VERY affordable rate. Besides him there's Hardaway Jr. So when Melo signs there will still be room for another max.
So yes, the team still is in good shape moving forward, but it is a bad sign when a competent GM is replaced for no good reason.
Exactly that's why I'm going to get ahead and make a list of the current castoffs Dolan mills and Isiah will target in another decade plus of salary cap hell, 30win seasons and trading of lottery picks for more castoffs
IronWillGiroud wrote:what kind of message does this send to the players
Care to speculate?
personally I don't think it says a thing. If anything, Mills is more connected with CAA?
Mills Will make sure Melo is retained even if it means giving him $29m per. Fans will chant MVP WHEN MELO goes to the line, they make the playoffs and Dolan gets his money.
Actually that used to be the plan until the Nyets infringed in Knicks territory. There's no telling to what extent Dolan will go to sabotage the Knicks now
MSG3 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Melo is getting the max now. 2015 is out the window. Book it.
Unless we hire a GM with a plan and Dolan gets out if the way which isn't happening
You have to understand our cap position before you say things like that. NO ONE is on the books for 2015. JR has an option that year at a VERY affordable rate. Besides him there's Hardaway Jr. So when Melo signs there will still be room for another max.
So yes, the team still is in good shape moving forward, but it is a bad sign when a competent GM is replaced for no good reason.
Most teams have at least two of the these three: (a) cap room within a few years, (b) many good young players, and (c) draft picks.
To say that we're in good shape because we'll have (a), is overly optimistic. It reminds me of what people were saying in 2009.
ROFL.... the circus never left town folks!!!
Yeah, I thought Grunny has been doing OK...not great but not bad either. Hope his health and family is ok
Hearing that part of Grunwald's undoing was not being enough of a yes man for the owner. Had competing opinions too often....
lol
I'm not even a Grunwald fan but this is why the Knicks will never win anything under Dolan.
We just hired the ultimate Isiah guy back with the team after we fired him not long ago. This is a joke. Walsh got rid of all the trash in the organization and now everyone is slowly coming back. I am so sick of this worthless pile of garbage Dolan ruining this team.
DurzoBlint wrote:Yeah, I thought Grunny has been doing OK...not great but not bad either. Hope his health and family is ok
It will improve now he don't have to report to the little napoleonic idiot! Be happy for the guy! He made good money and will get a good job somewhere!
IronWillGiroud wrote:what kind of message does this send to the players
i james dolan am a lowlife and a clown who prefers disarray and instability.
i james dolan cannot abide people who i am threatened by and who are superior human beings to myself.
you the players are getting paid so shut up and "entertain" the fans who i have nothing but contempt for. for those of you who came here of your own volition or were traded here expecting to win... too bad. for those of you who came here for the money and don't really care about winning... this is nirvana... just try to tune out the booing!
Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Melo is getting the max now. 2015 is out the window. Book it.
Unless we hire a GM with a plan and Dolan gets out if the way which isn't happening
You have to understand our cap position before you say things like that. NO ONE is on the books for 2015. JR has an option that year at a VERY affordable rate. Besides him there's Hardaway Jr. So when Melo signs there will still be room for another max.
So yes, the team still is in good shape moving forward, but it is a bad sign when a competent GM is replaced for no good reason.
Most teams have at least two of the these three: (a) cap room within a few years, (b) many good young players, and (c) draft picks.
To say that we're in good shape because we'll have (a), is overly optimistic. It reminds me of what people were saying in 2009.
Bonn...it IS exactly what people were saying in 2009 and it was true. Just because A) we didn't get LeBron and B) we haven't won a title since the summer of 2010 doesn't mean that having a clear cap is only good if you win a title. There are a lot of teams that had tons of cap space and tons of picks that are still crappy. How can you say its overly optimistic to say we're in good shape when in fact we are in great shape salary cap wise? Now what Management does with the cap space is a different story. That is TBD. Giving STAT that contract in 2010 was obviously a bad move looking back. Hopefully now with Melo on board as the Alpha there won't be the pressure to just do SOMETHING.
smackeddog wrote:Nalod wrote:via berman:n a shocking shakeup of the Knicks front office, Steve Mills is back and Glen Grunwald is out. Or at least demoted.
Mills, the former Garden president who hired Isiah Thomas, has been named the team’s president and general manager. Mills replaces Glen Grunwald, who will remain with the organization as an “advisor.”
“I am pleased to be able to welcome Steve back to the Knicks,” Knicks owner James Dolan said in a statement. “He is a well-respected sports executive with a strong background in basketball, as well as a familiarity with NBA operations and our company. We look forward to his leadership and believe he is the right person to help us reach our ultimate goal of winning an NBA Championship.”
“We are grateful for Glen’s many years of valuable service and pleased that he will remain with the organization,” Dolan added.
Mills also has a good relationship with Knicks assistant GM Allan Houston, who figures to have more power entrusted in him with Grunwald in the background.
The timing of the switch is curious. Dolan apparently was not pleased with the Knicks’ second-round playoff exit or the summer overhaul that have some predicting the Knicks as the fifth-best team in the East. However, Grunwald finished third in NBA Executive of the Year balloting after building a team that won its first Atlantic Division title since the 1990s and was the second seed in the East at 54-28.
Grunwald was close with coach Mike Woodson, his former college teammate at Indiana. Grunwald’s demotion does not bode well for Woodson, who is in the final guaranteed season of his contract. There is a team option for next season.
When the Knicks named Grunwald permanent GM after the 2011-12 season, it was noteworthy he didn’t get the title of president, as Donnie Walsh and Isiah Thomas had previously. Dolan also didn’t like Grunwald talking to the press and kept him mostly out of the spotlight. The Knicks may feel Mills has more cachet and more prestigious influence on several levels.“I want to thank Jim for this opportunity to return to the Knicks in this important position,” Mills said in a statement. “It is an honor and a privilege to work for such a storied franchise and I look forward to doing whatever it takes to make the Knicks a successful franchise and a team that fans can be proud of, both now and in the future.”
A 30-year veteran of the sports world, Mills had been in the running for the executive director of the Players Association. He has been a familiar face at the Garden, showing up for games since he left six years ago.
Prior to his first move to The Garden, Mills played an integral role in the development of the league office, where he held several positions, including his last role as senior vice president, basketball and player development.
Phew- that's reassuring. At first I thought Dolan had fired him for disagreeing with him, but I'm relieved to find out it's the even more serious crime of talking to the media. So the job description for Knicks GM:
a) Agree with everything Dolan says: trade Shump for slighting him, get rid of Lin for slighting him, etc, etc
b) Don't talk to the media even at media events arranged by MSG
c) Experience not necessary.
d) Job performance assessment will not be based on actual job performance, but rather how much Dolan likes you as a person.
e) as long as you meet the above criteria you will have a job for the rest of your life (no, really!)
Well Alan was being groomed the successor to Walsh and took charge of the affiliate team to further his experience. Not really mad at this move.
Nalod wrote:
Nalod called Grunny a patsy not because I disliked him, in fact I defended him when he took over when most just blasted him for his record in Toronto.Nalod keeps telling y'all the common thread here is not anyone but Dolan.
Don't know whey the dude was basically fired (stays on as an "advisor" is bizspeak for "we fired him but will get paid thru his contract".
Steve Mills has yet to distinguish himself other than being the man in charge when Isiah and Marbury ran the ship into the ground. This just seems like Dolan wants a new coach next year.
Im not worried about Allan Houstan as the GM. No reason to.
Grunwald was in place and it seemed like he was retained out of convienence. Just my thought.
Goes back to who makes the big calls in NY. Its Dolan team.
I like Woody, think he's a good coach who can connect with the team but, his offensive schemes leave a WHOLE LOT to be desired. If they do Fire Woody, I pray that they reach out to Sloan. Sloan would get EVERYONE PLAYING the right way
