Knicks · Amare had a secret surgery in July (page 2)

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'll give him credit for trying. The injuries and surgeries are probably very painful.

I honestly cant man. The only got 1 year out of him...and no playoffs due to self inflicted injuries.

Style dunking in warmups and punching firecases...that was the story of his first two playoff runs.....nothing to do with the knees.

Did he do a lot of dunking in warmups? Either way, he's obviously trying hard now

All I know is he removed himself from the playoffs as a healthy player twice doing an unnecessary task....one unfortunate, the other stupidly, and neither were knee related.

Amare is a competitor I dont take that from him, but the team has gotten very little while investing alot in him.

He should take one for the team....empty his locker.

If I sacrificed my body, I'd feel entitled to the financial compensation I was guaranteed. And as far as we know, the Knicks have never offered him a buyout.

They probably wont offer him either, they have alot of respect for him.

It would be a measure from him to do it on his own, he cant possibly feel like he's actually earning that money at this point.

He earned the contract by giving up his body
If you get a career ending injury at your job and can no longer go to work and "earn" your money, it shouldn't get your employer out of money they guaranteed you.
You're only looking at this from the corporate employer perspective, not the employee's perspective.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'll give him credit for trying. The injuries and surgeries are probably very painful.

I honestly cant man. The only got 1 year out of him...and no playoffs due to self inflicted injuries.

Style dunking in warmups and punching firecases...that was the story of his first two playoff runs.....nothing to do with the knees.

Did he do a lot of dunking in warmups? Either way, he's obviously trying hard now

All I know is he removed himself from the playoffs as a healthy player twice doing an unnecessary task....one unfortunate, the other stupidly, and neither were knee related.

Amare is a competitor I dont take that from him, but the team has gotten very little while investing alot in him.

He should take one for the team....empty his locker.

If I sacrificed my body, I'd feel entitled to the financial compensation I was guaranteed. And as far as we know, the Knicks have never offered him a buyout.

They probably wont offer him either, they have alot of respect for him.

It would be a measure from him to do it on his own, he cant possibly feel like he's actually earning that money at this point.

He earned the contract by giving up his body
If you get a career ending injury at your job and can no longer go to work and "earn" your money, it shouldn't get your employer out of money they guaranteed you.
You're only looking at this from the corporate employer perspective, not the employee's perspective.

He didnt earn that contract, why didnt his home team give it to him? because they knew he couldn't fullfill it.

You're paid to play, if for health reasons you cant, it's over.

The Knicks took the risk, they'll have to play as long as he's on the team.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'll give him credit for trying. The injuries and surgeries are probably very painful.

I honestly cant man. The only got 1 year out of him...and no playoffs due to self inflicted injuries.

Style dunking in warmups and punching firecases...that was the story of his first two playoff runs.....nothing to do with the knees.

Did he do a lot of dunking in warmups? Either way, he's obviously trying hard now

All I know is he removed himself from the playoffs as a healthy player twice doing an unnecessary task....one unfortunate, the other stupidly, and neither were knee related.

Amare is a competitor I dont take that from him, but the team has gotten very little while investing alot in him.

He should take one for the team....empty his locker.

If I sacrificed my body, I'd feel entitled to the financial compensation I was guaranteed. And as far as we know, the Knicks have never offered him a buyout.

They probably wont offer him either, they have alot of respect for him.

It would be a measure from him to do it on his own, he cant possibly feel like he's actually earning that money at this point.

He earned the contract by giving up his body
If you get a career ending injury at your job and can no longer go to work and "earn" your money, it shouldn't get your employer out of money they guaranteed you.
You're only looking at this from the corporate employer perspective, not the employee's perspective.

He will get his money. It has little to do with him giving up his body which is part of the risk of being an athlete and more to do with his guaranteed contract. The question is if the Knicks can apply for a medical exemption (assuming one still exists under the new CBA) to get a portion of cap relief.

Sounds like an Atlantic Starr song.....

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'll give him credit for trying. The injuries and surgeries are probably very painful.

I honestly cant man. The only got 1 year out of him...and no playoffs due to self inflicted injuries.

Style dunking in warmups and punching firecases...that was the story of his first two playoff runs.....nothing to do with the knees.

Did he do a lot of dunking in warmups? Either way, he's obviously trying hard now

All I know is he removed himself from the playoffs as a healthy player twice doing an unnecessary task....one unfortunate, the other stupidly, and neither were knee related.

Amare is a competitor I dont take that from him, but the team has gotten very little while investing alot in him.

He should take one for the team....empty his locker.

If I sacrificed my body, I'd feel entitled to the financial compensation I was guaranteed. And as far as we know, the Knicks have never offered him a buyout.

They probably wont offer him either, they have alot of respect for him.

It would be a measure from him to do it on his own, he cant possibly feel like he's actually earning that money at this point.

He earned the contract by giving up his body
If you get a career ending injury at your job and can no longer go to work and "earn" your money, it shouldn't get your employer out of money they guaranteed you.
You're only looking at this from the corporate employer perspective, not the employee's perspective.

He will get his money. It has little to do with him giving up his body which is part of the risk of being an athlete and more to do with his guaranteed contract. The question is if the Knicks can apply for a medical exemption (assuming one still exists under the new CBA) to get a portion of cap relief.

The issue with that is he is never gone long enough to qualify.

Jim Dolan had a secret surgery over the summer to have a brain transplant...
They tried 5 brains and only dunkey brain was not rejectet by his body...

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'll give him credit for trying. The injuries and surgeries are probably very painful.

I honestly cant man. The only got 1 year out of him...and no playoffs due to self inflicted injuries.

Style dunking in warmups and punching firecases...that was the story of his first two playoff runs.....nothing to do with the knees.

Did he do a lot of dunking in warmups? Either way, he's obviously trying hard now

All I know is he removed himself from the playoffs as a healthy player twice doing an unnecessary task....one unfortunate, the other stupidly, and neither were knee related.

Amare is a competitor I dont take that from him, but the team has gotten very little while investing alot in him.

He should take one for the team....empty his locker.

If I sacrificed my body, I'd feel entitled to the financial compensation I was guaranteed. And as far as we know, the Knicks have never offered him a buyout.

They probably wont offer him either, they have alot of respect for him.

It would be a measure from him to do it on his own, he cant possibly feel like he's actually earning that money at this point.

He earned the contract by giving up his body
If you get a career ending injury at your job and can no longer go to work and "earn" your money, it shouldn't get your employer out of money they guaranteed you.
You're only looking at this from the corporate employer perspective, not the employee's perspective.

He will get his money. It has little to do with him giving up his body which is part of the risk of being an athlete and more to do with his guaranteed contract. The question is if the Knicks can apply for a medical exemption (assuming one still exists under the new CBA) to get a portion of cap relief.

Yeah, part of the risk of being an athlete is your body gets damaged. And the built-in compensation for that risk is guaranteed contracts. The owners agreed to that when they signed the CBA.

The secrecy is all DOLAN!!! As for Amare it really does suck but this is the reality with his knees. We can only hope he can play but if he can't I would expect him to retire and we will see if the Knicks can get some relief from the league.

If not for the back injury and cut to his hand it might not seem as bad. People feel like we got cheated but last year was the knees and not the 1st 2 playoffs. Good thing we got Bargnani. I'm also hopeful that Tyler can develops into a useful player.

nixluva wrote:The secrecy is all DOLAN!!! As for Amare it really does suck but this is the reality with his knees. We can only hope he can play but if he can't I would expect him to retire and we will see if the Knicks can get some relief from the league.

If not for the back injury and cut to his hand it might not seem as bad. People feel like we got cheated but last year was the knees and not the 1st 2 playoffs. Good thing we got Bargnani. I'm also hopeful that Tyler can develops into a useful player.

Amare might be back before Tyler....he had foot surgery.

Amare has to retire medically for the team to get relief, and i think it kicks in the following season, not the current one.

And if it isnt medical, the knicks still owe the money unless Amare forgoes it....like Kidd did, but then again Kidd knew he was going for that coaching job and couldnt collect on his money.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The secrecy is all DOLAN!!! As for Amare it really does suck but this is the reality with his knees. We can only hope he can play but if he can't I would expect him to retire and we will see if the Knicks can get some relief from the league.

If not for the back injury and cut to his hand it might not seem as bad. People feel like we got cheated but last year was the knees and not the 1st 2 playoffs. Good thing we got Bargnani. I'm also hopeful that Tyler can develops into a useful player.

Amare might be back before Tyler....he had foot surgery.

Amare has to retire medically for the team to get relief, and i think it kicks in the following season, not the current one.

And if it isnt medical, the knicks still owe the money unless Amare forgoes it....like Kidd did, but then again Kidd knew he was going for that coaching job and couldnt collect on his money.

That could help the Knicks out--thts better than one fourth of the KNicks payroll next year from 80 to 57 or so about-23.5mm

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The secrecy is all DOLAN!!! As for Amare it really does suck but this is the reality with his knees. We can only hope he can play but if he can't I would expect him to retire and we will see if the Knicks can get some relief from the league.

If not for the back injury and cut to his hand it might not seem as bad. People feel like we got cheated but last year was the knees and not the 1st 2 playoffs. Good thing we got Bargnani. I'm also hopeful that Tyler can develops into a useful player.

Amare might be back before Tyler....he had foot surgery.

Amare has to retire medically for the team to get relief, and i think it kicks in the following season, not the current one.

And if it isnt medical, the knicks still owe the money unless Amare forgoes it....like Kidd did, but then again Kidd knew he was going for that coaching job and couldnt collect on his money.

That could help the Knicks out--thts better than one fourth of the KNicks payroll next year from 80 to 57 or so about-23.5mm

Help them do what? The cap is 58 mil, not likely to even be 59 next season....if he's here next year might as well just let his contract expire.

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The secrecy is all DOLAN!!! As for Amare it really does suck but this is the reality with his knees. We can only hope he can play but if he can't I would expect him to retire and we will see if the Knicks can get some relief from the league.

If not for the back injury and cut to his hand it might not seem as bad. People feel like we got cheated but last year was the knees and not the 1st 2 playoffs. Good thing we got Bargnani. I'm also hopeful that Tyler can develops into a useful player.

Amare might be back before Tyler....he had foot surgery.

Amare has to retire medically for the team to get relief, and i think it kicks in the following season, not the current one.

And if it isnt medical, the knicks still owe the money unless Amare forgoes it....like Kidd did, but then again Kidd knew he was going for that coaching job and couldnt collect on his money.

That could help the Knicks out--thts better than one fourth of the KNicks payroll next year from 80 to 57 or so about-23.5mm

Help them do what? The cap is 58 mil, not likely to even be 59 next season....if he's here next year might as well just let his contract expire.

At 58mm one more move--say moving Chandler and his ending contract opens us up for the same amount in FA as one example were better off with out amare next year at 58 than with him at 80 if his knees are done.

The thing with the Knicks is that I feel they've actually done a good job of making whatever happens with Amar'e rather irrelevant. There is enough talent on this team to make up for his absence. I feel relatively confident of this fact. Anything we get from STAT is a plus at this point. When you're talking about 20 mpg and no back to backs etc. then you're really saying the player is marginal. No player can have a major impact if you're limiting him that much. He can still be a net positive, but he's also no longer a "key" to the team's success. I read one article still trying to make that case, but it's really not true anymore.

This team has had to build around it's $100 mil star, which is crazy, but that's just the truth. We're taking a chance on Bargnani just for that reason. IMO if Bargnani bounces back to his best BB he's gonna get a ton of minutes and supplant Amar'e in the rotation for the most part. AB is younger than STAT and hasn't had any major surgery. Most of his issues are minor. AB simply needs to regain his swagger and get coached up on D. STAT is screwed with a real physical limitation. It's nuts to say this team is dependent on STAT having a major impact.

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The secrecy is all DOLAN!!! As for Amare it really does suck but this is the reality with his knees. We can only hope he can play but if he can't I would expect him to retire and we will see if the Knicks can get some relief from the league.

If not for the back injury and cut to his hand it might not seem as bad. People feel like we got cheated but last year was the knees and not the 1st 2 playoffs. Good thing we got Bargnani. I'm also hopeful that Tyler can develops into a useful player.

Amare might be back before Tyler....he had foot surgery.

Amare has to retire medically for the team to get relief, and i think it kicks in the following season, not the current one.

And if it isnt medical, the knicks still owe the money unless Amare forgoes it....like Kidd did, but then again Kidd knew he was going for that coaching job and couldnt collect on his money.

That could help the Knicks out--thts better than one fourth of the KNicks payroll next year from 80 to 57 or so about-23.5mm

Help them do what? The cap is 58 mil, not likely to even be 59 next season....if he's here next year might as well just let his contract expire.

At 58mm one more move--say moving Chandler and his ending contract opens us up for the same amount in FA as one example were better off with out amare next year at 58 than with him at 80 if his knees are done.

Then the relief is dumping Chandler, dumping Amare provide nada on his lonesome, the teams payroll is too high.

BTW, the team is closer to 90 mil than they are to 80, so that is really moot.

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Maybe Dolan is embarrassed by the whole debacle as the moron who game him 2 more years at full wage with no insurance. He is the tool the other owners laugh at as the "idiot in NY"!

Maybe he did have that secret german stuff done after all?

Proof is on the court! Why the secret? Maybe its not because he likes to offend us, but maybe we get hiJacked in trade talks?

I don't care any more. I'll watch the games and let them playout what ever happens.

So they talk about his great work ethic - but why is it that he hasn't mastered the mental parts around help defense and passing (for an assist) out of a double team?

technomaster wrote:So they talk about his great work ethic - but why is it that he hasn't mastered the mental parts around help defense and passing (for an assist) out of a double team?

Dude. Would you need to be effective at passing out of a double team as one of the most lethal/efficient scorers in the NBA for a decade? And last I checked, neither the Suns nor pre-Melo Knicks had issues with ball movement so clearly your point in this respect is overstated. As for his defense, Amar'e was once regarded as an emerging stopper before injuries robbed him of his lateral quickness. One playoff series, he held Tim Duncan to just 16ppg.

As a fan of Amare's, it might be in his better interest to retire. All of these surgeries on his legs could cause some issues later on that could severely impact his quality of life. With the money he's made, he should move on an enjoy his success; not hang on and sully whatever legacy he's built for himself. Whatever happens, we should respect the hell out of him for his character and skill. Whatever he chooses, I wish him well.

dk7th wrote:this will likely mean no stoudemire in the mix which might be a good thing since woodson is so narrowminded in his lineups and substitution patterns. one less player whose game won't have to suffer by playing with carmelo anthony.

Dude, usually I'm not the one to care about responding to personal opinions, and yours about Carmelo are pretty popular around here, but this is just ridiculous man. You're really fetching, to the point where one has to think you have to be trolling. You can't be this simple.

Stick a fork in Amare. Oh, and this has to be another reason GG was canned. I'm sure Dolan is dying to use the amnesty on this guy right now. Watching Tyson get pushed around against the Pacers probably didn't warrant using up the amnesty on a guy they had just given an extension to get Tyson in Dolans mind. It probably gave Dolan night tremors all summer, and he has to wonder how useful that 20 million would have come in handy this summer if LBJ opts out.

Bonn1997 wrote:
He earned the contract by giving up his body
If you get a career ending injury at your job and can no longer go to work and "earn" your money, it shouldn't get your employer out of money they guaranteed you.
You're only looking at this from the corporate employer perspective, not the employee's perspective.

I agree- Amar'e is going to have arthritic knees for the rest of his life. He's only 30. That's going to significantly alter his quality of life. He'll have them due to his work and work demands- he's entitled to the money.

Anyways, thank goodness MSG hid this news from us- could you imagine what would of happened if we'd found out?! Oh wait a minute, we did, as always...