Knicks · in my opinion, the most important offseason pickup (page 1)

-nice mid range game
-good in transition
-passes the ball
-could replace ray

What do others think about udrih?

but i'm not sold that woody will give him burn, he might end up as an escape goat like copeland/novak last year,

imo, artest biggest addition overall,

udrih could be huge, but it's on woody.

his lack of coaching ability means that he has to essentially function as a sycophant to carmelo to keep him happy,

like this: melo gets green light to run roughshod all over the hardwoods, melo is then happy, woody maintains control of locker room,

and to offset his ass-licking of melo, he has to appear to be a tough papa toward guys that are quiet, like beno maybe, and like copeland and novak last year

i know that he has years in the league, he's lasted this long in the nba and he has played as a starter and also as a solid reserve,

so he has value, he's not 40 years old (which is refreshing), and i think maybe prigs can coach him up a little bit, so that he can act as a PRIGGSY PROXY!!!

callmened wrote:I think its on ray. If hes hurt or not playing well then udrih will start

yea there could be a situation where woody will not have a choice, and if felton goes down beno has the green light. and even then i can see priggs getting the start over beno in woody's weird world. to prove some point or something.

IronWillGiroud wrote:big fan of udrih,

but i'm not sold that woody will give him burn, he might end up as an escape goat like copeland/novak last year,

imo, artest biggest addition overall,

udrih could be huge, but it's on woody.

I don't understand your fear about Woody playing Beno. Why would he hold him back? If Woody's stated plan is not to burn any of his players out, then it would make sense that Beno would get good minutes.

As for the biggest addition it's clearly Bargnani. So far it looks like Woody wants to see how it works starting him. That's a huge piece of the puzzle, since he can give this team what we have been missing since Melo came here, a 2nd option in the starting lineup next to Melo. STAT never really was able to be that co-star for Melo. If this works AB would be the most important pickup. I do think Beno is the sleeper pickup tho. People are seriously underestimating how good he can be for this team. He's capable of exploding in games, which Kidd could never really do.

CrushAlot wrote:Artest and Bargs are pretty big additions. Artest could make a huge difference as could Bargs. Camby was supposed to be the biggest addition along with Kidd last year so you never know.

yea, it could be jeremy tyler to be totally honest,

love what i have seen of the kid

nixluva wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:big fan of udrih,

but i'm not sold that woody will give him burn, he might end up as an escape goat like copeland/novak last year,

imo, artest biggest addition overall,

udrih could be huge, but it's on woody.

I don't understand your fear about Woody playing Beno. Why would he hold him back? If Woody's stated plan is not to burn any of his players out, then it would make sense that Beno would get good minutes.

As for the biggest addition it's clearly Bargnani. So far it looks like Woody wants to see how it works starting him. That's a huge piece of the puzzle, since he can give this team what we have been missing since Melo came here, a 2nd option in the starting lineup next to Melo. STAT never really was able to be that co-star for Melo. If this works AB would be the most important pickup. I do think Beno is the sleeper pickup tho. People are seriously underestimating how good he can be for this team. He's capable of exploding in games, which Kidd could never really do.

i could be wrong with my fear,

but i will say that it was disappointing to see woody's behavior toward copeland/novak last year, and bully-like behavior like that doesn't just dissipate in one off-season, it's a pathology and and instrumental part of how woody maintains control of the locker room.

i'm just looking at who is a potential escape goat, and beno has this all over his forehead imo.

not doubting beno's ability at all, i think he can ball

callmened wrote:Tyler wont play. Too low on depth chart plus hes hurt

i really hope you're wrong, i see a big boat load of talent/potential in tyler,

If all of the new pickups stay healthy we will be a surprise to everyone.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:big fan of udrih,

but i'm not sold that woody will give him burn, he might end up as an escape goat like copeland/novak last year,

imo, artest biggest addition overall,

udrih could be huge, but it's on woody.

I don't understand your fear about Woody playing Beno. Why would he hold him back? If Woody's stated plan is not to burn any of his players out, then it would make sense that Beno would get good minutes.

As for the biggest addition it's clearly Bargnani. So far it looks like Woody wants to see how it works starting him. That's a huge piece of the puzzle, since he can give this team what we have been missing since Melo came here, a 2nd option in the starting lineup next to Melo. STAT never really was able to be that co-star for Melo. If this works AB would be the most important pickup. I do think Beno is the sleeper pickup tho. People are seriously underestimating how good he can be for this team. He's capable of exploding in games, which Kidd could never really do.

i could be wrong with my fear,

but i will say that it was disappointing to see woody's behavior toward copeland/novak last year, and bully-like behavior like that doesn't just dissipate in one off-season, it's a pathology and and instrumental part of how woody maintains control of the locker room.

i'm just looking at who is a potential escape goat, and beno has this all over his forehead imo.

not doubting beno's ability at all, i think he can ball

I think you're ascribing too much of a vindictive motive to Woody. Cope was a kid I thought should get more PT, Woody was trying to get thru to Cope about his defense, but I think Woody realizes that he kind of messed up with Cope. I think he realizes that he was a bit too hard on him.

As for Novak, don't forget he got a ton of minutes last year. He just wasn't able to produce as he had the year before. Also it's Novak we're talking about. The guy is a very limited player. I do believe Woody could've run better plays for him tho.

I just don't understand why any of this would have any bearing on how he'd use Beno. Beno is a vet that can be trusted and he's not really limited like Novak. In addition Beno is basically going to be able to give us more than Kidd was able to give late in the year. Most importantly Beno has Championship experience!!! IMO there's no way Woody leaves that on the bench.

dk7th wrote:good point guards do not defer they orchestrate. it's hard to orchestrate when one of the players is accustomed to a usage rate of 35%

I think this is a very cynical view. This team has added a TON of new weapons and I see no reason why the ball won't be spread around generously this year. We have too many weapons this year for it to be a high usage year for Melo. It's not what i'm seeing from the way they seem to be practicing so far. Melo will get a ton of touches, but so will the other scorers on this team. Just remember that Melo didn't start off taking too many shots. That developed as we lost players and guys wore down.

BRIGGS wrote:All of these guys are important but Brags offers the most upside. How many teams in the nBA have a 7 footer who has avg more than 20+

YES! Also he's most likely going to be a starter and from what I would guess Woody is going to be looking to have AB as a major cog in this offense. He's just too big and talented not to have an impact on this team, especially playing starters minutes.