smackeddog wrote:It's a negotiating ploy that Dolan has already fallen for. What contender could afford to sign him to a max? None. He wants to play with Kobe on the Lakers? Absolute BS- they couldn't play well together, plus Kobe is done- I don't get why people think he's magically going to heal from that Achilles injury, especially at his age. But Dolan will fall for it like he always does.
I was majically healed at the same age with the same injury.....And mine was worse, because it was a chronic injury. Kobe will come back close to his normal self, which is still championship worthy. In fact, he might be a better team player, and he will definately be a better set shooter. It's the second Achilles injury you have watch for.....Usually happens on the other leg, if he's still playing into his 40's
Dagger wrote:holfresh wrote:Dagger wrote:Papabear wrote:Dagger wrote:Finestrg wrote:This stuff kills me....Why say something like that -- something that will obviously rub a lot of people the wrong way???? Just like JR saying he wasn't gonna tell anyone the full extent of his knee injury until after he signed a deal with someone. Huh? WTF bro -- WHY SAY THAT?!?!?!? If Melo feels that way, great--it's his right that he's earned, just keep it to yourself. I don't wanna hear stuff like this, not this close to the start of the season... All I want to hear outta these jokers is talk about winning, winning the Atlantic, winning a friggin' title. NOTHING ELSE!! Shit man, and I love Melo. Why throw out a bad vibe like that, that you're contemplating leaving, could possibly leave?? I know that's not technically what he said but still man. Come on -- this close to the start of the season??? Nobody -- from the fans, to Knicks mgmt. wants to hear that right now. I'd like to see some of these guys resist whatever a guy like Marc Berman tries to stir up when he sticks a tape recorder in their face. The correct answer here: "I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Right now, I'm committed to the NY Knicks and to winning."
To answer your question, there are two reasons someone says this. 1) The player is stupid or not well-rehearsed in media relations 2) the player cares more about money than winning
My biggest fear in all of this is not that we lose Melo,it's that I know when the times comes Knicks management won't have the balls to take a hard stance and say 17 mil/year or you're out of here.
Papabear SaysNo I disagree with your comment. If Melo want to win a championship or come close to winning one. Now one will have to ask him he will just be willing to do that. Something you must understand though. Leborn have many endorsements. I LeBron gave up his whole salary he would still be making crazy money. Thats not the same for Melo. No if the right piece comes available Melo might jump. I don't think that Melo is very happy with this team and because of Amare's injury and the money Amare is taking we could have gotten 2 very good players with Amares money. I don't think Melo will see crazy money offers from teams who have a big payroll. It will be from team who don't have a chance to win anyway.
Why do you think Lebron makes so much money in endorsements? Because he's better at basketball than Melo. If Melo were that good then he would be raking in that much money in endorsement deals as well. This isn't some rigged system where everything is stacked against melo like it seems to be in your head, if Melo were better he'd have more endorsements, but he's not the best player in the league so he doesn't get the same draw. Besides the dude is a top level ambassador of the Jordan brand anyway, it's not like sponsors are ignoring him. Melo is not some average income dude that needs the money to feed his kids, no family I know can't be fed on a budget of 17 MILLION DOLLARS. With the enormous wealth Melo has acquired in his career he's very well off, he has nothing to worry about financially. He can take 17mil and play for us, or he can play for the bobcats for the max he can get and be labeled as a greedy loser.
It's the Lakers that has the Brinks truck waiting for him...Lakers..
You think he's going to the Lakers to play with 40 year old Kobe fresh off his achilles injury? LOL. It will be the same situation with the Lakers as it would be if he went to any other shitty team for more money.
The Lakers have 12.6 mil owed to players in 2014/15...9.7 of it to Nash..
Vmart wrote:You don't come to the Knicks to win. If any player is interested in coming to the Knicks its mostly about the money. At 30-31 years of age I would tell Melo thank you for your services.
I don't think Melo was a max player in his prime.....Max players make others better or they can carry a team to a playoff victory.....
holfresh wrote:Dagger wrote:holfresh wrote:Dagger wrote:Papabear wrote:Dagger wrote:Finestrg wrote:This stuff kills me....Why say something like that -- something that will obviously rub a lot of people the wrong way???? Just like JR saying he wasn't gonna tell anyone the full extent of his knee injury until after he signed a deal with someone. Huh? WTF bro -- WHY SAY THAT?!?!?!? If Melo feels that way, great--it's his right that he's earned, just keep it to yourself. I don't wanna hear stuff like this, not this close to the start of the season... All I want to hear outta these jokers is talk about winning, winning the Atlantic, winning a friggin' title. NOTHING ELSE!! Shit man, and I love Melo. Why throw out a bad vibe like that, that you're contemplating leaving, could possibly leave?? I know that's not technically what he said but still man. Come on -- this close to the start of the season??? Nobody -- from the fans, to Knicks mgmt. wants to hear that right now. I'd like to see some of these guys resist whatever a guy like Marc Berman tries to stir up when he sticks a tape recorder in their face. The correct answer here: "I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Right now, I'm committed to the NY Knicks and to winning."
To answer your question, there are two reasons someone says this. 1) The player is stupid or not well-rehearsed in media relations 2) the player cares more about money than winning
My biggest fear in all of this is not that we lose Melo,it's that I know when the times comes Knicks management won't have the balls to take a hard stance and say 17 mil/year or you're out of here.
Papabear SaysNo I disagree with your comment. If Melo want to win a championship or come close to winning one. Now one will have to ask him he will just be willing to do that. Something you must understand though. Leborn have many endorsements. I LeBron gave up his whole salary he would still be making crazy money. Thats not the same for Melo. No if the right piece comes available Melo might jump. I don't think that Melo is very happy with this team and because of Amare's injury and the money Amare is taking we could have gotten 2 very good players with Amares money. I don't think Melo will see crazy money offers from teams who have a big payroll. It will be from team who don't have a chance to win anyway.
Why do you think Lebron makes so much money in endorsements? Because he's better at basketball than Melo. If Melo were that good then he would be raking in that much money in endorsement deals as well. This isn't some rigged system where everything is stacked against melo like it seems to be in your head, if Melo were better he'd have more endorsements, but he's not the best player in the league so he doesn't get the same draw. Besides the dude is a top level ambassador of the Jordan brand anyway, it's not like sponsors are ignoring him. Melo is not some average income dude that needs the money to feed his kids, no family I know can't be fed on a budget of 17 MILLION DOLLARS. With the enormous wealth Melo has acquired in his career he's very well off, he has nothing to worry about financially. He can take 17mil and play for us, or he can play for the bobcats for the max he can get and be labeled as a greedy loser.
It's the Lakers that has the Brinks truck waiting for him...Lakers..
You think he's going to the Lakers to play with 40 year old Kobe fresh off his achilles injury? LOL. It will be the same situation with the Lakers as it would be if he went to any other shitty team for more money.
The Lakers have 12.6 mil owed to players in 2014/15...9.7 of it to Nash..
Yes, I understand they have cap space. That just means they would sign him for too much money, it doesn't mean they will be a good team. Besides he and 
aren't exactly friends.
He has options, I think the Knicks pay his price..
holfresh wrote:He has options, I think the Knicks pay his price..
you'd like that wouldn't you?
Dagger wrote:holfresh wrote:Dagger wrote:Papabear wrote:Dagger wrote:Finestrg wrote:This stuff kills me....Why say something like that -- something that will obviously rub a lot of people the wrong way???? Just like JR saying he wasn't gonna tell anyone the full extent of his knee injury until after he signed a deal with someone. Huh? WTF bro -- WHY SAY THAT?!?!?!? If Melo feels that way, great--it's his right that he's earned, just keep it to yourself. I don't wanna hear stuff like this, not this close to the start of the season... All I want to hear outta these jokers is talk about winning, winning the Atlantic, winning a friggin' title. NOTHING ELSE!! Shit man, and I love Melo. Why throw out a bad vibe like that, that you're contemplating leaving, could possibly leave?? I know that's not technically what he said but still man. Come on -- this close to the start of the season??? Nobody -- from the fans, to Knicks mgmt. wants to hear that right now. I'd like to see some of these guys resist whatever a guy like Marc Berman tries to stir up when he sticks a tape recorder in their face. The correct answer here: "I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Right now, I'm committed to the NY Knicks and to winning."
To answer your question, there are two reasons someone says this. 1) The player is stupid or not well-rehearsed in media relations 2) the player cares more about money than winning
My biggest fear in all of this is not that we lose Melo,it's that I know when the times comes Knicks management won't have the balls to take a hard stance and say 17 mil/year or you're out of here.
Papabear SaysNo I disagree with your comment. If Melo want to win a championship or come close to winning one. Now one will have to ask him he will just be willing to do that. Something you must understand though. Leborn have many endorsements. I LeBron gave up his whole salary he would still be making crazy money. Thats not the same for Melo. No if the right piece comes available Melo might jump. I don't think that Melo is very happy with this team and because of Amare's injury and the money Amare is taking we could have gotten 2 very good players with Amares money. I don't think Melo will see crazy money offers from teams who have a big payroll. It will be from team who don't have a chance to win anyway.
Why do you think Lebron makes so much money in endorsements? Because he's better at basketball than Melo. If Melo were that good then he would be raking in that much money in endorsement deals as well. This isn't some rigged system where everything is stacked against melo like it seems to be in your head, if Melo were better he'd have more endorsements, but he's not the best player in the league so he doesn't get the same draw. Besides the dude is a top level ambassador of the Jordan brand anyway, it's not like sponsors are ignoring him. Melo is not some average income dude that needs the money to feed his kids, no family I know can't be fed on a budget of 17 MILLION DOLLARS. With the enormous wealth Melo has acquired in his career he's very well off, he has nothing to worry about financially. He can take 17mil and play for us, or he can play for the bobcats for the max he can get and be labeled as a greedy loser.
It's the Lakers that has the Brinks truck waiting for him...Lakers..
You think he's going to the Lakers to play with 40 year old Kobe fresh off his achilles injury? LOL. It will be the same situation with the Lakers as it would be if he went to any other shitty team for more money- He'd look like a greedy loser.
Regardless you would rather play for the Lakers because they are truly committed to winning. Knicks half azz it all the way. Lakers are quick to rebuild and get gifts from the league Knicks do not get gifts.
blkexec wrote:Vmart wrote:You don't come to the Knicks to win. If any player is interested in coming to the Knicks its mostly about the money. At 30-31 years of age I would tell Melo thank you for your services.
I don't think Melo was a max player in his prime.....Max players make others better or they can carry a team to a playoff victory.....
Personally there are 2 max players in the game today LeBron and Durant. LeBron took less than the max. No way in hell should Knicks Max out Melo not worth it 44% shooting player shouldn't get any kind of Max and at 30 no way.
Vmart wrote:blkexec wrote:Vmart wrote:You don't come to the Knicks to win. If any player is interested in coming to the Knicks its mostly about the money. At 30-31 years of age I would tell Melo thank you for your services.
I don't think Melo was a max player in his prime.....Max players make others better or they can carry a team to a playoff victory.....
Personally there are 2 max players in the game today LeBron and Durant. LeBron took less than the max. No way in hell should Knicks Max out Melo not worth it 44% shooting player shouldn't get any kind of Max and at 30 no way.
Exactly i have never been a Melo hater or lover. However i wouldnt give him a max deal especially if we have a early playoff exit again. We all know Melo's great scoring ability. However his flaws like having a bad playoff record, questionable defense, and not making players around him better on teh court should not be ignore
Vmart wrote:You don't come to the Knicks to win. If any player is interested in coming to the Knicks its mostly about the money. At 30-31 years of age I would tell Melo thank you for your services.
+100
tkf wrote:Vmart wrote:You don't come to the Knicks to win. If any player is interested in coming to the Knicks its mostly about the money. At 30-31 years of age I would tell Melo thank you for your services.
+100
I wish we had a organization like the Spurs. They are contender every year for the past 15 years even when their top guys have been getting older. Dolan is such a idiot
dk7th wrote:arkrud wrote:Now he is talking...
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...
melo spooging prematurely again... just like his heat check threes. LMAO what a guy. knicks are tracking to implode this season.
yep..
I know Dolan's going to pay, but it's a mistake IMO. We can't build a winner with this guy holding that kind of cap space. He's just not that good. The only way we'd have a future is if some of our youngins develop real quick and become significant contributors. But then, sadly, they'll become casualties to a trade to bring in someone that supposedly helps us re-sign Melo in the first place.
If Melo will opt out and looks like he will, this opens the possibility of trading him...
Will Dolan do this... may be... he is dumb but he is a contrarian.
So he may get tired of Melo getting his way all the time.
This way Melo can still get his max and sht on winning it all with some other healthy star or capable organization.
NY can get a new fresh start and Dolan get a lot of drama and media attention which he likes.
This can get much more interesting that dump the ball to Melo stuff we are about to see..
Management must constantly assess how good a group of players can truly be. The New York front office will have to go through this process during next season and consider all options. If the team doesn't show significant improvement, Melo's impending free agency could mean big changes with the Knicks.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/york-knicks...
Dagger wrote:Papabear wrote:Dagger wrote:Finestrg wrote:This stuff kills me....Why say something like that -- something that will obviously rub a lot of people the wrong way???? Just like JR saying he wasn't gonna tell anyone the full extent of his knee injury until after he signed a deal with someone. Huh? WTF bro -- WHY SAY THAT?!?!?!? If Melo feels that way, great--it's his right that he's earned, just keep it to yourself. I don't wanna hear stuff like this, not this close to the start of the season... All I want to hear outta these jokers is talk about winning, winning the Atlantic, winning a friggin' title. NOTHING ELSE!! Shit man, and I love Melo. Why throw out a bad vibe like that, that you're contemplating leaving, could possibly leave?? I know that's not technically what he said but still man. Come on -- this close to the start of the season??? Nobody -- from the fans, to Knicks mgmt. wants to hear that right now. I'd like to see some of these guys resist whatever a guy like Marc Berman tries to stir up when he sticks a tape recorder in their face. The correct answer here: "I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Right now, I'm committed to the NY Knicks and to winning."
To answer your question, there are two reasons someone says this. 1) The player is stupid or not well-rehearsed in media relations 2) the player cares more about money than winning
My biggest fear in all of this is not that we lose Melo,it's that I know when the times comes Knicks management won't have the balls to take a hard stance and say 17 mil/year or you're out of here.
Papabear SaysNo I disagree with your comment. If Melo want to win a championship or come close to winning one. Now one will have to ask him he will just be willing to do that. Something you must understand though. Leborn have many endorsements. I LeBron gave up his whole salary he would still be making crazy money. Thats not the same for Melo. No if the right piece comes available Melo might jump. I don't think that Melo is very happy with this team and because of Amare's injury and the money Amare is taking we could have gotten 2 very good players with Amares money. I don't think Melo will see crazy money offers from teams who have a big payroll. It will be from team who don't have a chance to win anyway.
Why do you think Lebron makes so much money in endorsements? Because he's better at basketball than Melo. If Melo were that good then he would be raking in that much money in endorsement deals as well. This isn't some rigged system where everything is stacked against melo like it seems to be in your head, if Melo were better he'd have more endorsements, but he's not the best player in the league so he doesn't get the same draw. Besides the dude is a top level ambassador of the Jordan brand anyway, it's not like sponsors are ignoring him. Melo is not some average income dude that needs the money to feed his kids, no family I know can't be fed on a budget of 17 MILLION DOLLARS. With the enormous wealth Melo has acquired in his career he's very well off, he has nothing to worry about financially. He can take 17mil and play for us, or he can play for the bobcats for the max he can get and be labeled as a greedy loser.
Papabear Says
You answered your on question or this boards discussion. Yes LeBron is making more money because he is a better player and he has many endorsements. So why should Melo give up his money if thats all he is going to make? Don't you think he should get what he can just like everyone else?
tkf wrote:dk7th wrote:arkrud wrote:Now he is talking...
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...
melo spooging prematurely again... just like his heat check threes. LMAO what a guy. knicks are tracking to implode this season.
yep..
Papabear Says
LOL the haters are out tonight
Melo will own part of the Knicks before it is all said and down. IMO. He is staying at what price I don't know, probably max or near max. He gets more money if he opts in and max out the next year but stability blah blah blah...
arkrud wrote:If Melo will opt out and looks like he will, this opens the possibility of trading him...
Will Dolan do this... may be... he is dumb but he is a contrarian.
So he may get tired of Melo getting his way all the time.
This way Melo can still get his max and sht on winning it all with some other healthy star or capable organization.
NY can get a new fresh start and Dolan get a lot of drama and media attention which he likes.
This can get much more interesting that dump the ball to Melo stuff we are about to see.. Management must constantly assess how good a group of players can truly be. The New York front office will have to go through this process during next season and consider all options. If the team doesn't show significant improvement, Melo's impending free agency could mean big changes with the Knicks.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/york-knicks...
Dolan's not crossing CAA. Melo's getting his money.
The whole thing is so disingenuous. I'd have more respect for him if he would just come out and say he's just trying to max out the dollars and he has no plans to go anywhere. If he really wanted to experience free agency, he could've done it after Denver and saved us a whole lot of headache and assets. Funny how he had no desire to experience the wonderful world of free agency then. Instead he forces a trade that gets him max dollars and costs the Knicks assets. Melo and CAA are milking Dolan again and he's happy to be milked.
Dagger wrote:
To answer your question, there are two reasons someone says this. 1) The player is stupid or not well-rehearsed in media relations 2) the player cares more about money than winning
Actually its:
3) the players agent is using a negotiating ploy.
Melo's not really doing anything wrong here, or anything different from most players. Even the beloved Paul George pretended he was going to sign with the Lakers when he became a FA, in order to push the Pacers along in negotiations for an extension now.
Has no one who's having a nervous breakdown about this ever negotiated in their life? If at work you could get paid say $15mil a year, but if you pretended you were leaving to join another employer, your current employer would pay you $25mil to do the same job- are you honestly telling me you wouldn't do it?!
The problem is Dolan- he is the world worst negotiator. CAA know his history and they know after all the money he's spent on the MSG refurb, he can't afford to not have a 'star' player, especially at the current ticket prices.
Melo is an easy nut to crack. To know what his actions will be in the future just ask yourself 1 question. What will make him the most money? Every decision in his NBA career was done for max money. I said this last season and it still holds true today. Different players have different motivations. Melo's motivation is money. I am not angry at that fact , that is his decision to make. I just ask you not to be surprised when that is the direction he goes in.
