Knicks · Melo: I want to test free agency (page 5)

smackeddog wrote:

Dagger wrote:

The only people that love Hibbert are Pacer homers, and yes his contract is inflated and is hurting the Pacers. It's not about what is expected of melo, I know he won't sit there and say I want 20 mil a year instead of 29. It's on the Knicks management to take a hard stance with him and say it's 20 mil or you pack your bags. If we lose Melo then we lose him, but any salary cap sport is about getting bang for your buck and you're not getting that with 34 year old melo at 30m. Do I expect melo to take a paycut? Absolutely not. Do I think if he truly cared about winning he would accept a little less money when told by management that was his only chance to stay a Knick? Yes, but he doesn't, so we'll be better off just letting him walk. You say the players you mentioned only took less money because they could make more money in endorsements if they win the championship. Well guess what, if Melo took less money he could win a championship and make the same money in endorsements as a result. After all, it's legacies and winning that build up endorsements in reality, so it would be nice if melo could realize that a sacrifice he makes in the short-run would be a win-win in the long run,with more money and a stronger legacy when he retires as a result (and elevated status, we all know melo loves his celebrity status). If Melo really puts on a show this year, such as a STRONG performance in a long ECF or Finals then I'm alright with him getting all this money. But until he proves we can have real success with him as the best player on the team I don't think that commitment is wise.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. I see the value in Melo, but I don't want to be paying him $30mil a year when he's 34, 35 (or even 31!). This new CBA is brutal, and we're coming up for a new one in few years- who knows if that will be even worse (hello hard cap!). I don't think Melo is evil for trying to maximize his earnings, but I do hope he is willing to take a bit less to increase our ability to sign other players.

can you tell me, what is the value you see in "melo"? just curious... what value do you place on him?

djsunyc wrote:fish quit his IT job and is now a sploogemopper at the hustler club.

melo says he wants to be a knick but then also says he wants to be wined and dined.

so which team out there is going to wine and dine him if at the end of the day he is going to sign with the knicks.

paul opted out but then told everyone he's re-signing so there was no visits to other teams. melo wants those visits.

it's amazing really. right before the season starts he's talking about visiting other teams. lol. most guys would just say "i'll deal with that at the end of the year, my focus right now is the knicks and the playoffs". but this rocket surgeon says i can't wait to see what's out there.

it's all good tho. you'll still have bargs lol...

btw, just 4 months ago, nobody thought dwight would pass up the money and extra year either.

dolan deserves a guy like this.

More a downside to keeping Melo. We have seen that plan in Denver and seen it here. Same results. I would rather be mediocre with upside and hope then mediocre with the outcome thats easy to see.

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Dagger wrote:

The only people that love Hibbert are Pacer homers, and yes his contract is inflated and is hurting the Pacers. It's not about what is expected of melo, I know he won't sit there and say I want 20 mil a year instead of 29. It's on the Knicks management to take a hard stance with him and say it's 20 mil or you pack your bags. If we lose Melo then we lose him, but any salary cap sport is about getting bang for your buck and you're not getting that with 34 year old melo at 30m. Do I expect melo to take a paycut? Absolutely not. Do I think if he truly cared about winning he would accept a little less money when told by management that was his only chance to stay a Knick? Yes, but he doesn't, so we'll be better off just letting him walk. You say the players you mentioned only took less money because they could make more money in endorsements if they win the championship. Well guess what, if Melo took less money he could win a championship and make the same money in endorsements as a result. After all, it's legacies and winning that build up endorsements in reality, so it would be nice if melo could realize that a sacrifice he makes in the short-run would be a win-win in the long run,with more money and a stronger legacy when he retires as a result (and elevated status, we all know melo loves his celebrity status). If Melo really puts on a show this year, such as a STRONG performance in a long ECF or Finals then I'm alright with him getting all this money. But until he proves we can have real success with him as the best player on the team I don't think that commitment is wise.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. I see the value in Melo, but I don't want to be paying him $30mil a year when he's 34, 35 (or even 31!). This new CBA is brutal, and we're coming up for a new one in few years- who knows if that will be even worse (hello hard cap!). I don't think Melo is evil for trying to maximize his earnings, but I do hope he is willing to take a bit less to increase our ability to sign other players.

can you tell me, what is the value you see in "melo"? just curious... what value do you place on him?

Got us into the playoffs in the lockout shortened season with great play in that end of season win streak. Was a huge part in last seasons regular season record, including both win streaks.

You can say he hasn't gotten us far enough into the playoffs, but his record to date is pretty much the same as CP3's, yet no one goes round saying CP3 is awful, a loser, worthless etc.

I don't delude myself that he's the greatest player in the league, but he's pretty good and has value.

gunsnewing wrote:Again this is not on Melo it is on the Knicks. Of course Melo wants the max. It is up to the Knicks and their future plan. My guess is Dolan is happy making the playoffs every year while fans and media marvel at Melos ppg totals in the regular season so he will be brought back at $29mil per

You can't be serious? How many millions should he have? Is 100 million enough, 200 million enough or mabe 500 million for bouncing a ball! Its all on Melo. Just the distraction they need all season like he did to Denver. Ship him out!

bigjeep8 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Again this is not on Melo it is on the Knicks. Of course Melo wants the max. It is up to the Knicks and their future plan. My guess is Dolan is happy making the playoffs every year while fans and media marvel at Melos ppg totals in the regular season so he will be brought back at $29mil per

You can't be serious? How many millions should he have? Is 100 million enough, 200 million enough or mabe 500 million for bouncing a ball! Its all on Melo. Just the distraction they need all season like he did to Denver. Ship him out!

Whether Melo is greedy or not who is cutting the checks?

gunsnewing wrote:

bigjeep8 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Again this is not on Melo it is on the Knicks. Of course Melo wants the max. It is up to the Knicks and their future plan. My guess is Dolan is happy making the playoffs every year while fans and media marvel at Melos ppg totals in the regular season so he will be brought back at $29mil per

You can't be serious? How many millions should he have? Is 100 million enough, 200 million enough or mabe 500 million for bouncing a ball! Its all on Melo. Just the distraction they need all season like he did to Denver. Ship him out!

Whether Melo is greedy or not who is cutting the checks?

And how does this help the Knicks?

holfresh wrote:Guys, its a foregone conclusion that Melo will get paid...Since being traded to the Knicks, MSG Network revenues has increase significantly...Add to that, MSG stock has more than tripled, from 18 to close to 60..This is worth billions, and won't be surprised if it's 10s of billions to Dolan...Add to that, the Knicks are now the most valuable franchise in basketball, now worth 1.1 billion...They just poured 1 billion into MSG...Dolan isn't messing with this biz plan to rebuild...Melo isn't leaving anything on the table, nor would I...Get pass that part of the biz...Let's hope they can add players the way the Lakers seem to..They figured out a way to have 5 guys making 20 mio per and somehow make it legal via NBA rules...

Ummm there is a new CBA now u can't do what the Lakers did anymore. No more sign and trades, no more mid level exceptioon. If we were playing under those rules fine but we arent. If melo gets a Max deal its over. We wont win a title for at least the duration of hi deal. Most likely he will end up killing the next 5 after his contract because of draft pick trades

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Dagger wrote:

The only people that love Hibbert are Pacer homers, and yes his contract is inflated and is hurting the Pacers. It's not about what is expected of melo, I know he won't sit there and say I want 20 mil a year instead of 29. It's on the Knicks management to take a hard stance with him and say it's 20 mil or you pack your bags. If we lose Melo then we lose him, but any salary cap sport is about getting bang for your buck and you're not getting that with 34 year old melo at 30m. Do I expect melo to take a paycut? Absolutely not. Do I think if he truly cared about winning he would accept a little less money when told by management that was his only chance to stay a Knick? Yes, but he doesn't, so we'll be better off just letting him walk. You say the players you mentioned only took less money because they could make more money in endorsements if they win the championship. Well guess what, if Melo took less money he could win a championship and make the same money in endorsements as a result. After all, it's legacies and winning that build up endorsements in reality, so it would be nice if melo could realize that a sacrifice he makes in the short-run would be a win-win in the long run,with more money and a stronger legacy when he retires as a result (and elevated status, we all know melo loves his celebrity status). If Melo really puts on a show this year, such as a STRONG performance in a long ECF or Finals then I'm alright with him getting all this money. But until he proves we can have real success with him as the best player on the team I don't think that commitment is wise.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. I see the value in Melo, but I don't want to be paying him $30mil a year when he's 34, 35 (or even 31!). This new CBA is brutal, and we're coming up for a new one in few years- who knows if that will be even worse (hello hard cap!). I don't think Melo is evil for trying to maximize his earnings, but I do hope he is willing to take a bit less to increase our ability to sign other players.

can you tell me, what is the value you see in "melo"? just curious... what value do you place on him?

Got us into the playoffs in the lockout shortened season with great play in that end of season win streak. Was a huge part in last seasons regular season record, including both win streaks.

You can say he hasn't gotten us far enough into the playoffs, but his record to date is pretty much the same as CP3's, yet no one goes round saying CP3 is awful, a loser, worthless etc.

I don't delude myself that he's the greatest player in the league, but he's pretty good and has value.

if you think carmelo Got us to the playoffs, then you must accept that his less than stellar play is what kept us from advancing.. and for the record, two years ago, if not for jeremy lin, knicks don't make playoffs

I don't see the value in paying 20+ mil to a guy with all his flaws...

You can say he hasn't gotten us far enough into the playoffs, but his record to date is pretty much the same as CP3's, yet no one goes round saying CP3 is awful, a loser, worthless etc.

carmelo has been out of the first round twice in 10 appearances..

Chris paul has been out of the first round twice in 5 appearances..

Big difference.. add to that chris paul is just flat out better, and you see why he gets more rope.. but if he keeps losing, expect some backlash, you can bet on that..

toad wrote:I know Dolan's going to pay, but it's a mistake IMO. We can't build a winner with this guy holding that kind of cap space. He's just not that good. The only way we'd have a future is if some of our youngins develop real quick and become significant contributors. But then, sadly, they'll become casualties to a trade to bring in someone that supposedly helps us re-sign Melo in the first place.

tkf wrote:

Big difference.. add to that chris paul is just flat out better, and you see why he gets more rope.. but if he keeps losing, expect some backlash, you can bet on that..

I dont blame Melo for going for the most money, I just dont want to hear him cry and complain about how we can't win.I used to like Carmelo but he is disgusting me. I dont know how Im going to root for the team this year staring at him on the court knowing he is going to doom the franchise with his greed

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

No big deal here. Not sure why I even got worked up about it yesterday..LOL. Let's play ball!!

Finestrg wrote:Glad Melo took the time to clarify how he feels about NY and FA:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

No big deal here. Not sure why I even got worked up about it yesterday..LOL. Let's play ball!!

He speaks with forked tongue!

Finestrg wrote:Glad Melo took the time to clarify how he feels about NY and FA:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

No big deal here. Not sure why I even got worked up about it yesterday..LOL. Let's play ball!!

bigjeep8 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

bigjeep8 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Again this is not on Melo it is on the Knicks. Of course Melo wants the max. It is up to the Knicks and their future plan. My guess is Dolan is happy making the playoffs every year while fans and media marvel at Melos ppg totals in the regular season so he will be brought back at $29mil per

You can't be serious? How many millions should he have? Is 100 million enough, 200 million enough or mabe 500 million for bouncing a ball! Its all on Melo. Just the distraction they need all season like he did to Denver. Ship him out!

Whether Melo is greedy or not who is cutting the checks?

And how does this help the Knicks?

It doesn't. This origination is inept and there is no sense in having any championship aspirations

Dagger wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Glad Melo took the time to clarify how he feels about NY and FA:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

No big deal here. Not sure why I even got worked up about it yesterday..LOL. Let's play ball!!

In other words "Are ya'll crazy, why would I go anywhere else when the dumb Knicks are stupid enough to offer me 29 million per year? You guys should know by now Melo's all about the moolah!"

The problem is the media are clowns just like Melo or they have been ordered by Dolan to dance around the real issue which is the Cap.

Unfortunately the story will continue to be Can the Knicks keep Melo. Then when he is extended for 5yrs $20+ per Dolan looks like a hero

Then we all go back to complaining about 1st and 2nd round exits because the best we could do is James Flight White around Melo

gunsnewing wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Glad Melo took the time to clarify how he feels about NY and FA:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

No big deal here. Not sure why I even got worked up about it yesterday..LOL. Let's play ball!!

In other words "Are ya'll crazy, why would I go anywhere else when the dumb Knicks are stupid enough to offer me 29 million per year? You guys should know by now Melo's all about the moolah!"

The problem is the media are clowns just like Melo or they have been ordered by Dolan to dance around the real issue which is the Cap.

Unfortunately the story will continue to be Can the Knicks keep Melo. Then when he is extended for 5yrs $20+ per Dolan looks like a hero

Then we all go back to complaining about 1st and 2nd round exits because the best we could do is James Flight White around Melo

the melo era in new york was doomed from the moment melo and dolan took a bubble bath together and then made out on the heart-shaped revolving bed. the two really are made for each other. just look at the trail of destruction he has left in his wake.

i even feel sorry for steve mills a little bit... actually no i don't.

i am looking forward to being entertained by the farce that is about to unfold. it isn't about winning for me anymore, it's about being "entertained" by this team.

We could call up Pistons and in exchange for Melo we ask for a package involving either Drummond or Monroe, a 1st round pick, a 2nd and Caldwell Pope. They're getting close to having to choose between either Drummond or Monroe and who they want to throw money at.

Then we go on ahead and trade these guys for yoothier players/picks:

- Ray Ray, he's gonna be pissed and lazy that we're rebuilding.
- Tyson, wouldn't mind keeping him, but he has some value I suppose
- Lastly but most surely, we send JR on his way. Rockets have plenty of intriguing PGs to trade for.

We promote Shump big time. Develop Tyler and Murry. Let Prigo and Beno run point unselfishly while Murry learns from them. Wait for 2015 while rooting for likeable young men giving effort.

Our team would be

Starting 5:
Monroe/Drummond
Bargs
Shump
Pope
Beno

Bench:
THJ
Prigo
Tyler
Murry
MWP
STAT
K-Mart

+ whatever we get from trading TC, Felton, JR Smithers (hopefully yeilding a better PG and a legit SF/PF type player a la Ill Wil.)

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

Big difference.. add to that chris paul is just flat out better, and you see why he gets more rope.. but if he keeps losing, expect some backlash, you can bet on that..

I dont blame Melo for going for the most money, I just dont want to hear him cry and complain about how we can't win.I used to like Carmelo but he is disgusting me. I dont know how Im going to root for the team this year staring at him on the court knowing he is going to doom the franchise with his greed

I hate seeing him in a Knicks uniform. Really put a bitter taste in my mouth with this team.... I so want him gone!!

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

Big difference.. add to that chris paul is just flat out better, and you see why he gets more rope.. but if he keeps losing, expect some backlash, you can bet on that..

I dont blame Melo for going for the most money, I just dont want to hear him cry and complain about how we can't win.I used to like Carmelo but he is disgusting me. I dont know how Im going to root for the team this year staring at him on the court knowing he is going to doom the franchise with his greed

I hate seeing him in a Knicks uniform. Really put a bitter taste in my mouth with this team.... I so want him gone!!

I'm not sure if it's greed or he thinks he's as good as LBJ, Durant or Kobe, justifying gutting teams/getting maxed out..

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Also they praise Bron and Wade for taking less money...They shaved 1 to 2 mil per year off their salaries knowing that when they win Championships, their endorsement deals ratchets up higher, in a way their NBA salaries could never do..It now cost a fortune to sign these guys to endorsement deals..But they don't care about the money, they care about winning, they took less to play together, one love...

I think it's wonderful to have found a forum in which only selfless monks post- it seems like most of the people up in arms on this thread are uninterested in material wealth. If they were offered $30million or so, they would refuse it in order to be loyal. If all they had to do was pretend they were leaving their current job and they would get a significant pay rise, they would all refuse and would instead work for less in order to make a stand against greed.

It's really heart warming stuff.

you don't understand order of magnitude, powers of ten. it can't be about needing the money since he is wealthy beyond anything you can conceive. he will have earned over 230 million when all is said and done. it's about ego and hubris and greed. it's also about not facing the fact that he is a loser... maybe this is what drives him to pursue as much money as possible.

can't wait to see what this clown does next.

No, you don't understand that you can spend that money is this lifetime and quickly too..U don't seem to understand what property/school taxes are like in NYS, Conn, and CA are like..What it cost to take G5's across the country and to the Caribbean...What it cost for maintenance in luxury Manhattan buildings...Not only having a high income is important but the proper investment/retirement plan/ spending plan..70% of athletes go broke...That money can be spent and will be spent..