NardDogNation wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:No complaints here. Donnie cleared house after Anuchagate, then immediately after the draft, Stephenson gets arrested for attacking his girlfriend. Not to mention Fields did start off the year as the steal of the draft. Albeit, trajectories changed, but the culture at MSG was a big time concern.
And Shawne Williams was busted for marijuna possession on two occasions and caught up on an illegal firearm charge. It didn't stop us from signing him, so why not take a risk on a far more talented prospect? Walsh had a really shoddy draft record with us and it showed with these picks.
You know what, every single GM we have had since Ewing got traded has been mediocre to bad. They have all made questionable moves..If this current roster doesn't pan out, you will now understand why Dolan made that move for steve mills.
Dolan is the underlying problem. Not the GM'z and coaches. Not even the great Larry Brown could win under that A-hole
some an indictment of Donnie is suppose to to do what? Indy develops players. We don't. Bird has more to do with this current team but really the pattern was set years ago under walsh. Guess what the big constant is? The owner!!!!
Heres the thing, we can complain and some how suggest things but the fact is the owner(s) sets the directive of the team which includes the budget and has to approave signings. There is no pattern to Walsh that ever suggests signing a guy to a 5 year guaranteed contract with no insurance available and medical opinion that he won't last past 3 years. None.
The Suns have not succeeded without him but they were spot on to only offer 3 years. Knicks gave him 5.
Dolan does not allow low character guys on teh team or get drafted. So Lance would never fit the bill. Its too easy to lament on past picks. Lance is a good player who is doing real well with this coach and in that system. Good for him. A lot of teams pass on him more than once.
Being a local kid with local problems its reasonable to not draft him. Its easy to look and find all the players who panned out well and lament on "Why didn't we draft him!!!"
Look for the pattern under ownership. Knicks are
look at the team when he was hired and when he left. Thats a bad job? Wow... yea, lets blast him for not taking some guy who beats on his woman in the 2nd round. Good stuff
Nalod wrote:some an indictment of Donnie is suppose to to do what? Indy develops players. We don't. Bird has more to do with this current team but really the pattern was set years ago under walsh. Guess what the big constant is? The owner!!!!Heres the thing, we can complain and some how suggest things but the fact is the owner(s) sets the directive of the team which includes the budget and has to approave signings. There is no pattern to Walsh that ever suggests signing a guy to a 5 year guaranteed contract with no insurance available and medical opinion that he won't last past 3 years. None.
The Suns have not succeeded without him but they were spot on to only offer 3 years. Knicks gave him 5.
Dolan does not allow low character guys on teh team or get drafted. So Lance would never fit the bill. Its too easy to lament on past picks. Lance is a good player who is doing real well with this coach and in that system. Good for him. A lot of teams pass on him more than once.
Being a local kid with local problems its reasonable to not draft him. Its easy to look and find all the players who panned out well and lament on "Why didn't we draft him!!!"
Look for the pattern under ownership. Knicks are
dolan does not allow low-character guys on the team?????????? you crazy
Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.
I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
wow... you just said the only difference between a two time MVP and Stephon Marbury was coaching.
And there you have it.. the state of the UK board.
Goodbye!
fishmike wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
wow... you just said the only difference between a two time MVP and Stephon Marbury was coaching.And there you have it.. the state of the UK board.
Goodbye!
well…yeah.
listen…like some fans, I don't act like I know everything that goes on in the locker room and I don't believe everything that I read. The minute MDA came in to the Knicks organization he alienated Marbury and I believe their problems started from their short stint together in PHX.
Did Marbury deserve that? Maybe..I don't know, but if MDA would have sat down with him and squashed whatever beef they had, maybe things would have been different. I always got the impression that the great D.Walsh liked Marbury and wanted it to work.
But honestly Fishmike…forget for a second all the tabloid crap and crazy videos and look at Marbury the on court Basketball player and tell me he wasn't capable of running that SSOL offense just as well Nash.
Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
I guess you don't know your knick history and the whole instance which jettisoned Spree. The whole Don Chaney era was about hard working/no bone head players.
Marbury played a bit for MDA in PHX so he had a taste for the surley one. Marbury lost his talent and became impossible to coach.
Nash was brilliant. NashBury was never gonna happen. Two differnt type players and roster construction.
Swishfm3 wrote:fishmike wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
wow... you just said the only difference between a two time MVP and Stephon Marbury was coaching.And there you have it.. the state of the UK board.
Goodbye!
well…yeah.
listen…like some fans, I don't act like I know everything that goes on in the locker room and I don't believe everything that I read. The minute MDA came in to the Knicks organization he alienated Marbury and I believe their problems started from their short stint together in PHX.
Did Marbury deserve that? Maybe..I don't know, but if MDA would have sat down with him and squashed whatever beef they had, maybe things would have been different. I always got the impression that the great D.Walsh liked Marbury and wanted it to work.
But honestly Fishmike…forget for a second all the tabloid crap and crazy videos and look at Marbury the on court Basketball player and tell me he wasn't capable of running that SSOL offense just as well Nash.
marbury alienated himself in every team he played on. He refused to share the stage with KG in Minny, was "all alone" in New Jersey, was dispised in PHX, and you forget his beef with Larry and Isiah. By the time MDA got here Marbury was injured, surley, had turned the organization against him and yet still acted like a diva. MDA only chance was to get rid of him.
Teflon Donnie....Can't believe guys are defending Walsh for taking Rautins over Stephenson. Never mind what Walsh might have donw in terms of clearing some of the cap, can't deny he blundered on taking the local phenom. Why not take a flyer on the kid in the late second round? Anyone that watched Rauntins (sp) play at the 'Cuse knew dude was not NBA material. That pick was a throw a way. I remember screaming at my television for us to take Stephenson....
Nalod wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
I guess you don't know your knick history and the whole instance which jettisoned Spree. The whole Don Chaney era was about hard working/no bone head players.
Marbury played a bit for MDA in PHX so he had a taste for the surley one. Marbury lost his talent and became impossible to coach.
Nash was brilliant. NashBury was never gonna happen. Two differnt type players and roster construction.
I'm one to always hold the Coach responsible. regardless of roster and personal, its his or her to make it work and produce win. IMO, MDA didn't do that…he didn't even try..at least..it didn't seem like he did.
I'm not comparing their personality or leadership…I'm strictly speaking basketball capabilities. MDA offense depended on a PG who can push the ball up the court, kick it out to the open man and able to hit an open jump shot. Everything Marbury was able to do. I'm not saying Marbury was better than Nash, I'm just saying that the Knicks may be better off today if that relationship was better….
dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:some an indictment of Donnie is suppose to to do what? Indy develops players. We don't. Bird has more to do with this current team but really the pattern was set years ago under walsh. Guess what the big constant is? The owner!!!!Heres the thing, we can complain and some how suggest things but the fact is the owner(s) sets the directive of the team which includes the budget and has to approave signings. There is no pattern to Walsh that ever suggests signing a guy to a 5 year guaranteed contract with no insurance available and medical opinion that he won't last past 3 years. None.
The Suns have not succeeded without him but they were spot on to only offer 3 years. Knicks gave him 5.
Dolan does not allow low character guys on teh team or get drafted. So Lance would never fit the bill. Its too easy to lament on past picks. Lance is a good player who is doing real well with this coach and in that system. Good for him. A lot of teams pass on him more than once.
Being a local kid with local problems its reasonable to not draft him. Its easy to look and find all the players who panned out well and lament on "Why didn't we draft him!!!"
Look for the pattern under ownership. Knicks are
dolan does not allow low-character guys on the team?????????? you crazy
exactly.. Jr smith? world peace?
Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
well I will say it then... No he would not have..
Swishfm3 wrote:Nalod wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
I guess you don't know your knick history and the whole instance which jettisoned Spree. The whole Don Chaney era was about hard working/no bone head players.
Marbury played a bit for MDA in PHX so he had a taste for the surley one. Marbury lost his talent and became impossible to coach.
Nash was brilliant. NashBury was never gonna happen. Two differnt type players and roster construction.
I'm one to always hold the Coach responsible. regardless of roster and personal, its his or her to make it work and produce win. IMO, MDA didn't do that…he didn't even try..at least..it didn't seem like he did.
I'm not comparing their personality or leadership…I'm strictly speaking basketball capabilities. MDA offense depended on a PG who can push the ball up the court, kick it out to the open man and able to hit an open jump shot. Everything Marbury was able to do. I'm not saying Marbury was better than Nash, I'm just saying that the Knicks may be better off today if that relationship was better….
It took more than that.. nate could have done those things.. It took a PG who was a real extension of MDA on the court.. Nash was that, and add to it, nash was super efficient, with an elite level of skills.. shooting, passing, etc....
Nalod wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:fishmike wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
wow... you just said the only difference between a two time MVP and Stephon Marbury was coaching.And there you have it.. the state of the UK board.
Goodbye!
well…yeah.
listen…like some fans, I don't act like I know everything that goes on in the locker room and I don't believe everything that I read. The minute MDA came in to the Knicks organization he alienated Marbury and I believe their problems started from their short stint together in PHX.
Did Marbury deserve that? Maybe..I don't know, but if MDA would have sat down with him and squashed whatever beef they had, maybe things would have been different. I always got the impression that the great D.Walsh liked Marbury and wanted it to work.
But honestly Fishmike…forget for a second all the tabloid crap and crazy videos and look at Marbury the on court Basketball player and tell me he wasn't capable of running that SSOL offense just as well Nash.
marbury alienated himself in every team he played on. He refused to share the stage with KG in Minny, was "all alone" in New Jersey, was dispised in PHX, and you forget his beef with Larry and Isiah. By the time MDA got here Marbury was injured, surley, had turned the organization against him and yet still acted like a diva. MDA only chance was to get rid of him.
you're right about Minn..He screwed up there. KG and Marbury could have been one of the greats tandems ever.
He was "all alone" in New Jersey…I don't think the man played with a healthy roster while he was there, regardless, I don't think he would have had as much successful as Kidd did.
I don't know if he was despised in PHX. I just know as soon as MDA took over, he was shipped out that offseason (right?) He was a hell of a player while he was there though…
tkf wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:some an indictment of Donnie is suppose to to do what? Indy develops players. We don't. Bird has more to do with this current team but really the pattern was set years ago under walsh. Guess what the big constant is? The owner!!!!Heres the thing, we can complain and some how suggest things but the fact is the owner(s) sets the directive of the team which includes the budget and has to approave signings. There is no pattern to Walsh that ever suggests signing a guy to a 5 year guaranteed contract with no insurance available and medical opinion that he won't last past 3 years. None.
The Suns have not succeeded without him but they were spot on to only offer 3 years. Knicks gave him 5.
Dolan does not allow low character guys on teh team or get drafted. So Lance would never fit the bill. Its too easy to lament on past picks. Lance is a good player who is doing real well with this coach and in that system. Good for him. A lot of teams pass on him more than once.
Being a local kid with local problems its reasonable to not draft him. Its easy to look and find all the players who panned out well and lament on "Why didn't we draft him!!!"
Look for the pattern under ownership. Knicks are
dolan does not allow low-character guys on the team?????????? you crazy
exactly.. Jr smith? world peace?
world peace is anything but low-character. have you seen his 2 sentence bit on key & peele?
jr smith is only tattoos gone wild. you indict him for this and for that i laugh at you.
jr is the highest character person on this team, and by high i mean really really high. it is friday after all.
Cartman718 wrote:tkf wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:some an indictment of Donnie is suppose to to do what? Indy develops players. We don't. Bird has more to do with this current team but really the pattern was set years ago under walsh. Guess what the big constant is? The owner!!!!Heres the thing, we can complain and some how suggest things but the fact is the owner(s) sets the directive of the team which includes the budget and has to approave signings. There is no pattern to Walsh that ever suggests signing a guy to a 5 year guaranteed contract with no insurance available and medical opinion that he won't last past 3 years. None.
The Suns have not succeeded without him but they were spot on to only offer 3 years. Knicks gave him 5.
Dolan does not allow low character guys on teh team or get drafted. So Lance would never fit the bill. Its too easy to lament on past picks. Lance is a good player who is doing real well with this coach and in that system. Good for him. A lot of teams pass on him more than once.
Being a local kid with local problems its reasonable to not draft him. Its easy to look and find all the players who panned out well and lament on "Why didn't we draft him!!!"
Look for the pattern under ownership. Knicks are
dolan does not allow low-character guys on the team?????????? you crazy
exactly.. Jr smith? world peace?
world peace is anything but low-character. have you seen his 2 sentence bit on key & peele?
jr smith is only tattoos gone wild. you indict him for this and for that i laugh at you.
jr is the highest character person on this team, and by high i mean really really high. it is friday after all.
Artest is a bozo... his antics are dangerous and reckless..
JR smith, is a jackass, plain and simple..
and by high i mean really really high.
+ 1 on that
tkf wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Nalod wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.
With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.
I guess you don't know your knick history and the whole instance which jettisoned Spree. The whole Don Chaney era was about hard working/no bone head players.
Marbury played a bit for MDA in PHX so he had a taste for the surley one. Marbury lost his talent and became impossible to coach.
Nash was brilliant. NashBury was never gonna happen. Two differnt type players and roster construction.
I'm one to always hold the Coach responsible. regardless of roster and personal, its his or her to make it work and produce win. IMO, MDA didn't do that…he didn't even try..at least..it didn't seem like he did.
I'm not comparing their personality or leadership…I'm strictly speaking basketball capabilities. MDA offense depended on a PG who can push the ball up the court, kick it out to the open man and able to hit an open jump shot. Everything Marbury was able to do. I'm not saying Marbury was better than Nash, I'm just saying that the Knicks may be better off today if that relationship was better….
It took more than that.. nate could have done those things.. It took a PG who was a real extension of MDA on the court.. Nash was that, and add to it, nash was super efficient, with an elite level of skills.. shooting, passing, etc....
C'mon man…I know we're not crazy about Marbury around here but lets not put him on the same level as N.Robinson.
I believe because of all the crap that went on while Marbury was here, people forgot how great of a player he was and thats a shame.
A lot of it he brought on himself and I'm not disputing that…all I'm saying that, as a Coach, MDA should have tried his HARDEST to make that relationship work and I don't believe he did.
As much as I didn't like the drafting of Gallo, he and Marbury would have been amazing together.
you win