Knicks · Game Thread: 11/16 Hawks @ Knicks 7:30 PM MSG - First of 2 Wins in a Row (page 12)

nixluva wrote:This could be the end of Woodson. 1-5 at home is just not acceptable.

I don't know, what is another coach going to do?

JR is rusty as hell and recovering from knee surgery
Amar'e is rusty as hell and recovering from knee surgery and is on a minutes restriction
K-Mart is on a minutes restriction
Melo is rusty and spent the summer rehabbing his shoulder instead of playing basketball
Tyson has a broken leg
Tyler has a broken foot
Felton has a bum hamstring and is playing like trash
Shump has been mind f***ed and is playing like trash

That leaves: Bargs, Hardaway Jr, Cole, Murray, MWP, Beno and Chris Smith

Our team defense if beyond pitiful- one pass and it completely breaks down- teams can get an open 3 or a free drive to the basket WHENEVER THEY WANT!

Our team chemistry is non existent (last year it was a strength)- Amar'e is unhappy with his mins, K-Mart is unhappy with his mins, Shump is unhappy with the trade talk, Beno is unhappy as he has no playing time.

Prigs isn't the player he was last year either.

We are what our record says we are- at the moment we are an awful, awful team.

nixluva wrote:Looking at the team all I keep thinking is WHAT WAS WOODY DOING WITH THIS TEAM IN TRAINING CAMP?

Wasting it trying to decide which of the six scrubs we should sign.

Knicksfan wrote:I have rooted for teams with less talent and more heart. This group is disgusting.

The end of Woodson is coming pretty soon. Same with any hope of competing this season.

Right now the best that could happen is for Melo to leave along with all the expiring contracts and rebuild.

But Dolan is too stupid to allow that.

Being a NY teams fan has sucked so much this year.

I find it tough to watch this team- like you said, there's no heart at all- watching them is like staring into a void.

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

Bargs is doing a pretty solid job doing whatever Cope would be doing IMO

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, the contract never came, he was waiting to sign one and wanted to come back. He didn't care about the money.

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

I know the salaries look the same, but we signed Cope with a min salary exception, and two years max on those.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

Well they looked like the team to beat prior to the trade and were moving some of their younger players out so that they could keep/afford Gay. They were handled pretty easily by the spurs in the conference finals.

But in their case, they missed no beat by trading Rudy. and they still dont miss him imo.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks could use Copeland's scoring abilities

We could, but he chose the money and went to the team we just fought against in the playoffs- don't begrudge him, but his agent did a fantastic job of spinning it so it looked like we made him do it!

We didn't offer him a contract.

Yeah, he could have helped us more than Pablo.
We also should have had team options on years 2 and 3 of the contract we offered him anyway.

Not really sure why Pablo had to have part of the mle, but then again MWP wanted to be a Knick his whole life and got the other part.

I dont think the team can offer a three year deal in this cba to undrafted guys, but that second year should have been automatic.

I don't know. Somehow Patrick Beverly had a team option on the 2nd and 3rd years. Maybe it's because Houston was under the cap?

Bonn, what do your stats tell us we need to do to fix this mess?!

Hire a good metrics analyst and give him the power to make all final decisions.

That's working out well for Memphis..Didn't they hire the god of metrics??

they traded their leading scorer and still went to the wcf....seems like metrics paid well.

With Gay they might of been in the Finals...Went to the ECF and lose 4-0 isn't anything to be proud of...

Since when is making the Conference finals nothing to be proud of? Thats the furthest that team has been.