Knicks · Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pacers (page 21)

Travla wrote:Refs did make some bad calls but the Knicks lost because of these facts....Melo 10-28, Bargs 4-16, J.R. 8-19.....8 for 30 from 3 pt line....Shump with a bad foul at the end of regulation.

IMO the shooting was off due to fatigue. You don't realize how playing the Pacers on a 2nd night of Bac2bac is tough. The Knicks gave it their all but you could see they were gassed at the end. All that hand to hand combat is really tough.

markvmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If the Knicks played like this every game they would not be 3-8

We'll see how they play next time they face a poor team, but it's the mark of a bad team to only get up for big teams.

Looking at the next 5 games they will beat the Wiz then lose the next 4. Should be 4-12

gunsnewing wrote:

markvmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If the Knicks played like this every game they would not be 3-8

We'll see how they play next time they face a poor team, but it's the mark of a bad team to only get up for big teams.

Looking at the next 5 games they will beat the Wiz then lose the next 4. Should be 4-12

Probably still only be about 2 games behind in the Atlantic so.

On the bright side, if we can get performances like this from Udrih and Martin on a regular basis, we might just turn things around.

Clean wrote:The whole point of Bargs was to bring Hibbert out but in the OT he used KMart so the Pacers were able to hide Hibbert on KMart. That move made ISO melo even harder with Hibbert now patrolling the paint.

Good point

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I would trade all these ex Nuggets for Paul George! He's better than everyone on our team.....smh!

Paul George is an example of a super star who deserves what Melo will be asking for next season. Solid two way player, who's unselfish, great team mate, and plays within the flow of the game. Oh did I also say he plays defense....1 on 1 against Melo all game? Wow, I almost forgot what a star player suppose to look like with all this Melo bully ball stuff. Melo knows he's too slow against these younger budding stars, so he plays bully ball. Which puts his entire team on ice, and creates a culture of more iso plays for JR Smith and others. If we are trying to win a championship, this is not the team to do it, and several trades must happen. If we are trying to get a draft pick, sell your talent for picks.....IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

Vs

Allowing any team to just walk all over you all season....

At this rate, Melo will be damaged goods and not even worth any trades....He's a great player, solid scorer....But not the superstar you build around....He's just a great complimentary player, next to your star player.

Vmart wrote:

Clean wrote:The whole point of Bargs was to bring Hibbert out but in the OT he used KMart so the Pacers were able to hide Hibbert on KMart. That move made ISO melo even harder with Hibbert now patrolling the paint.

Good point

I guarantee you that Woody doesn't even realize that. The weakness of Woody is his X's and O's, Hejust isn't an elite BB mind and this team really NEEDS a coach that can give them an edge. WAY too much ISO and a few actual BB plays isn't gonna cut it.

gunsnewing wrote:If the Knicks played like this every game they would not be 3-8

Bad teams play to the level of their competition....So don't worry, we will play like crap against the next bad team. Then play like a playoff team against a good team. And lose them both.

I'm sorry, but I have zero confidence in this team now....Regardless if they start winning or not. We are far from playoff material. I say cut your loses now, while Shump and other still have value. Otherwise, Shumps value is slowly dropping....our only trade asset.

markvmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If the Knicks played like this every game they would not be 3-8

We'll see how they play next time they face a poor team, but it's the mark of a bad team to only get up for big teams.

next bad team is the next game. i hope they dont get run outta the phone booth.

nixluva wrote:It's not all doom and gloom. They know they can play better as they saw it tonight. The chemistry is slowly getting better. We'll be getting Tyson and Felton back and maybe even Tyler to help off the bench at some point. This team will eventually start winning games.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not all doom and gloom. They know they can play better as they saw it tonight. The chemistry is slowly getting better. We'll be getting Tyson and Felton back and maybe even Tyler to help off the bench at some point. This team will eventually start winning games.

Saw something on Tyler today. He is still working out at the Knicks training facility. Also, Beno and Pablo both played well. Felton has been dragging a leg and trying to play through stuff and the backups are too good to allow him to be at less then 100%

I hate using Phils famous words, but the knicks have a sloppy roster, coach, GM and owner....

blkexec wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not all doom and gloom. They know they can play better as they saw it tonight. The chemistry is slowly getting better. We'll be getting Tyson and Felton back and maybe even Tyler to help off the bench at some point. This team will eventually start winning games.

Saw something on Tyler today. He is still working out at the Knicks training facility. Also, Beno and Pablo both played well. Felton has been dragging a leg and trying to play through stuff and the backups are too good to allow him to be at less then 100%

I hate using Phils famous words, but the knicks have a sloppy roster, coach, GM and owner....

CrushAlot wrote:
Horrible call

He hit the elbow that is almost always called.

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Horrible call

He hit the elbow that is almost always called.

Yup it was a good call.

CrushAlot wrote:
Where is the homecourt advantage?

Thats only for good teams...