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gunsnewing wrote:Melo had 7 turnovers and 1 assist last night

That's coaching though.... Woodson has to coach. Call a time out and demand the ball move. No the dude wants to give the ball to Melo and watch him burn himself out.

Its absolutely fair to say Melo is selfish because that's his nature. He's a pure scorer..... at the Same time what sets are we running? We have no philosophy on offense.

It's cool to say pay harder..... but the players have no idea what the plan is. So far its give the ball to Melo and take pictures. Can't pay hard if you don't know what to do.

EnySpree wrote:Melo is argued to be the best pure scorer.

Lebron is the best at everything. He's not a pure anything.

Durant is the best pure shooter probably. Dude is a pretty good slasher too, but he can get that jumpshot off at anytime and you can't stop him. He can't post up so he can't be called a pure scorer.

Melo is so good in the post he can school any power fwd and some centers in the league. Dude can get his jumpshot of at any time. He can drive on anyone and can finish anyway he wants and he is great at rebounding his own missed shot and putting it back. He's good in transition too. That's pretty much his whole game because like everyone says he doesn't make anyone better..... why? Because he is the best pure scorer in the league.

Tada!

melo being good in the post is a myth... what post moves does he have? he post up and then turns around.. he only post to get the ball, he doesn't have a jump hook or any bask to the basket moves... for that fact, durant post up, wade, lebron, all of them "post" up to get the ball..

why would you not call durant the best pure scorer.. He is a better shooter than carmelo. Better getting to the hoop and scoring, he doesn't have to get his shot blocked to get it back and score. Durant can score every way imaginable and do so more efficiently..

harden can score in a number of ways as well...

gunsnewing wrote:The only time I see Melo score in transition is when he basket hangs and doesn't get back on D. Also he is not a great finisher around the basket

He didn't get back on defense 4 times last night and he called out teammates for lack of effort

If you saw Amare in the post game he kept talking about not sharing the ball. I can only wonder who he was talking about

Melo has no help yet Amare and Bargnani were beasting

the melo has no help argument is so worn out.... I pay no attention to it....

EnySpree wrote:

Dagger wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The only time I see Melo score in transition is when he basket hangs and doesn't get back on D. Also he is not a great finisher around the basket

He didn't get back on defense 4 times last night and he called out teammates for lack of effort

If you saw Amare in the post game he kept talking about not sharing the ball. I can only wonder who he was talking about

Melo has no help yet Amare and Bargnani were beasting

That's not true, he loves to shoot the trailer 3 on a fast break, and he normally shoots it a pretty good percentage. Although I'm not a fan of it myself.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

The Detroit game he sucked cuz he was complaining too much. He took himself out the game and missed free throws and everything. Still cant lie and say he's not the best scorer. Is he selfish? Yes but you can't be the best scorer and not be selfish.

We mess up when we ask the best Option not to shoot it when the coach had no offense and nobody else is scoring.

The Knicks need a real point guard and that will put everyone in line. The point guards job is to make everyone better.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

MKG does not approve of your comment..

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Dagger wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The only time I see Melo score in transition is when he basket hangs and doesn't also happenedget back on D. Also he is not a great finisher around the basket

He didn't get back on defense 4 times last night and he called out teammates for lack of effort

If you saw Amare in the post game he kept talking about not sharing the ball. I can only wonder who he was talking about

Melo has no help yet Amare and Bargnani were beasting

That's not true, he loves to shoot the trailer 3 on a fast break, and he normally shoots it a pretty good percentage. Although I'm not a fan of it myself.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

The Detroit game he sucked cuz he was complaining too much. He took himself out the game and missed free throws and everything. Still cant lie and say he's not the best scorer. Is he selfish? Yes but you can't be the best scorer and not be selfish.

We mess up when we ask the best Option not to shoot it when the coach had no offense and nobody else is scoring.

The Knicks need a real point guard and that will put everyone in line. The point guards job is to make everyone better.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

MKG does not approve of your comment..

I could almost predict what you are going to post. Mkg handles Melo very well on defense. That's not a coincidence. That kid is a great defender. we also played them twice this year so the plays are fresh and easily referenced. I wish MKD played against Melo every night, then you would be correct more often

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Dagger wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The only time I see Melo score in transition is when he basket hangs and doesn't also happenedget back on D. Also he is not a great finisher around the basket

He didn't get back on defense 4 times last night and he called out teammates for lack of effort

If you saw Amare in the post game he kept talking about not sharing the ball. I can only wonder who he was talking about

Melo has no help yet Amare and Bargnani were beasting

That's not true, he loves to shoot the trailer 3 on a fast break, and he normally shoots it a pretty good percentage. Although I'm not a fan of it myself.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

The Detroit game he sucked cuz he was complaining too much. He took himself out the game and missed free throws and everything. Still cant lie and say he's not the best scorer. Is he selfish? Yes but you can't be the best scorer and not be selfish.

We mess up when we ask the best Option not to shoot it when the coach had no offense and nobody else is scoring.

The Knicks need a real point guard and that will put everyone in line. The point guards job is to make everyone better.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

MKG does not approve of your comment..

I could almost predict what you are going to post. Mkg handles Melo very well on defense. That's not a coincidence. That kid is a great defender. we also played them twice this year so the plays are fresh and easily referenced. I wish MKD played against Melo every night, then you would be correct more often

you had no clue this was coming or you would not have made that comment you made.. LOL.. please..

It's a debate between like 5 players when it comes to best scorer in the nba....it can go any way. But if you say pre I go with Melo. That's not saying he's better. Just the best pure scorer. Sounds funny but not really especially if you Happen to agree. It's just a debate though you can make a case for probably 5 players in the league.

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Dagger wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The only time I see Melo score in transition is when he basket hangs and doesn't also happenedget back on D. Also he is not a great finisher around the basket

He didn't get back on defense 4 times last night and he called out teammates for lack of effort

If you saw Amare in the post game he kept talking about not sharing the ball. I can only wonder who he was talking about

Melo has no help yet Amare and Bargnani were beasting

That's not true, he loves to shoot the trailer 3 on a fast break, and he normally shoots it a pretty good percentage. Although I'm not a fan of it myself.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

The Detroit game he sucked cuz he was complaining too much. He took himself out the game and missed free throws and everything. Still cant lie and say he's not the best scorer. Is he selfish? Yes but you can't be the best scorer and not be selfish.

We mess up when we ask the best Option not to shoot it when the coach had no offense and nobody else is scoring.

The Knicks need a real point guard and that will put everyone in line. The point guards job is to make everyone better.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

MKG does not approve of your comment..

I could almost predict what you are going to post. Mkg handles Melo very well on defense. That's not a coincidence. That kid is a great defender. we also played them twice this year so the plays are fresh and easily referenced. I wish MKD played against Melo every night, then you would be correct more often

you had no clue this was coming or you would not have made that comment you made.. LOL.. please..

If my aunt have balls she would be my uncle..... Don't know why I said that....I think it's Cuz we have hit a dead end on this debate.

What was Rick Barry saying again?

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Dagger wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The only time I see Melo score in transition is when he basket hangs and doesn't also happenedget back on D. Also he is not a great finisher around the basket

He didn't get back on defense 4 times last night and he called out teammates for lack of effort

If you saw Amare in the post game he kept talking about not sharing the ball. I can only wonder who he was talking about

Melo has no help yet Amare and Bargnani were beasting

That's not true, he loves to shoot the trailer 3 on a fast break, and he normally shoots it a pretty good percentage. Although I'm not a fan of it myself.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

The Detroit game he sucked cuz he was complaining too much. He took himself out the game and missed free throws and everything. Still cant lie and say he's not the best scorer. Is he selfish? Yes but you can't be the best scorer and not be selfish.

We mess up when we ask the best Option not to shoot it when the coach had no offense and nobody else is scoring.

The Knicks need a real point guard and that will put everyone in line. The point guards job is to make everyone better.

If Melo is one on one in front of the rim is a basket unless you flagrant foul him.

MKG does not approve of your comment..

I could almost predict what you are going to post. Mkg handles Melo very well on defense. That's not a coincidence. That kid is a great defender. we also played them twice this year so the plays are fresh and easily referenced. I wish MKD played against Melo every night, then you would be correct more often

you had no clue this was coming or you would not have made that comment you made.. LOL.. please..

If my aunt have balls she would be my uncle..... Don't know why I said that....I think it's Cuz we have hit a dead end on this debate.

What was Rick Barry saying again?

rick was saying what most knicks fans don't want to hear...

The truth...

LOL

EnySpree wrote:It's a debate between like 5 players when it comes to best scorer in the nba....it can go any way. But if you say pre I go with Melo. That's not saying he's better. Just the best pure scorer. Sounds funny but not really especially if you Happen to agree. It's just a debate though you can make a case for probably 5 players in the league.

that is cool and that is your opinion..

for me

Durant (clearly)
Kobe
Lebron
harden
Carmelo

when healthy, wade would be after lebron... And when healthy you have to figure in rose somewhere..

that is just my list...

EnySpree wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melo had 7 turnovers and 1 assist last night

That's coaching though.... Woodson has to coach. Call a time out and demand the ball move. No the dude wants to give the ball to Melo and watch him burn himself out.

Its absolutely fair to say Melo is selfish because that's his nature. He's a pure scorer..... at the Same time what sets are we running? We have no philosophy on offense.

It's cool to say pay harder..... but the players have no idea what the plan is. So far its give the ball to Melo and take pictures. Can't pay hard if you don't know what to do.

Bingo

tkf wrote:

EnySpree wrote:It's a debate between like 5 players when it comes to best scorer in the nba....it can go any way. But if you say pre I go with Melo. That's not saying he's better. Just the best pure scorer. Sounds funny but not really especially if you Happen to agree. It's just a debate though you can make a case for probably 5 players in the league.

that is cool and that is your opinion..

for me

Durant (clearly)
Kobe
Lebron
harden
Carmelo

when healthy, wade would be after lebron... And when healthy you have to figure in rose somewhere..

that is just my list...

I like that list, except I would replace Harden with Wade and bump Kobe to 5th behind Melo.

not sold Harden...Believe he is extremely overrated.

gunsnewing wrote:The only time I see Melo score in transition is when he basket hangs and doesn't get back on D. Also he is not a great finisher around the basket

He didn't get back on defense 4 times last night and he called out teammates for lack of effort

If you saw Amare in the post game he kept talking about not sharing the ball. I can only wonder who he was talking about

Melo has no help yet Amare and Bargnani were beasting

Last time you said that he had three fast breaks that he scored on in the next game and he wasn't basket hanging. Hopefully this is a good omen for tonight.