Knicks · Things we could do to turn this thing around (page 1)

Finestrg @ 11/20/2013 11:24 AM
(1) Play Cole Aldrich and Toure Murry already, for Christ's sake!!! We need to see what these guys can do. With Chandler out in the middle and now Felton hurting, it's a no-brainer to give these guys some time. We need help in both areas -- up front & in the backcourt...Aldrich was a lottery pick and Murry has clear potential on both sides of the ball. I think they can help us. I'd like to see a 10 game sample MINIMUM, starting tonight. I mean I can't believe Aldrich didn't get any time last night in Detriot against their big frontline. Crazy.

(2) After 10 or so games, we reassess. If Aldrich and Murry aren't the answer -- cut them both along with Chris Smith (who will still get all his money guaranteed btw -- we owe JR Smith NADA. Chris got his money--why does he still need a roster spot?????). That would open up 3 roster spots. Target the following frontcourt & PG upgrades on minimum deals:

Big man options
• Marcus Cousin - skilled 7' C that could immediately help out in the scoring and rebounding departments.
• Hassan Whiteside - best rim protector out there we could possibly get for the league min. His shot-blocking is legit and could be a game changer, esp. with all of our guards getting beat off the dribble seemingly at will. The rest of his game needs work but could be an asset as well in time.
• Kevin Jones - 6'8" 250-ish PF that's really a solid player. I know the Cavs really like him, he's just fallen victim to the numbers game there the past couple of seasons, going up and down from the DL to the big club. Right now he's not part of their 15-man team. Dude's a competitor, an excellent rebounder and he'd provide some nice inside/outside scoring. Instead of Martin and/or Stoudemire playing inconsistent mins and not looking all that effective, this young dude could just jump right in and go, play big mins if necessary with no restrictions. Played well for the Cavs when he was up. We really need to come to a conclusion with Martin and STAT -- if they're true cogs to this team anymore or just 2 guys barely holding on. We could still add Jones now while continuing to evaluate these guys too. We're talking about trading one of our better young players for a guy like Ken Faried -- Kevin Jones might be just as good a player here for us that we could get for peanuts w/o giving up a thing.

PG options
• Jeremy Pargo - Strong, quick PG that's athletic as hell - could help and give us a vastly different look from Beno & Pablo. Has really excelled playing in Europe. Looked good playing for the Cavs during his brief stint in the NBA. For Memphis too.
• Curtis Jerrells - Another quick PG that could help pick up the pace, increase penetration and provide additional scoring. Like Pargo, he really excelled playing in Europe the last few seasons and dominated the NBDL at one point. A left-hander like Udrih -- a little smaller but much quicker, faster.

(3) Provided we executed steps 1 & 2 and nothing's changed, fire Woody. Not ready to do it right now -- still willing to give him a chance if he showed some open mindedness and a willingness to shake things up and try something different (steps 1 & 2). If he refused to try other things or he did and it didn't work, he's gone. Outta here...The team is not responding to him at all. This whole 'play defense and you can do whatever you want on offense' thing is a joke and I don't like how he's handled Shumpert at all since he's taken over (the organization as a whole--Woody included--needs to sit down with this young man and reaffirm that he's not going anywhere and that he's the starting 2G). Shump needs to be built back up mentally. And Dolan needs to let this whole summer league thing with Shump where he sat out the last few SL games go too. I have a funny feeling Dolan is still harboring resentment toward the young man for this and it's ridiculous....Let's be honest though -- these 2 issues alone (along with how the team's looked in general) are enough to shit can Woody right now! Not sure who we could get. Jimmy Todd has prior experience and would take over in the interim...I don't like pairing up Melo with George Karl again. That won't work...I'd actually beg Jeff Van Gundy to come back myself. Never happen though...Have to give this more though, but in the meantime, if Woody keeps failing the way he has, he's gotta go. Period.

(4) Hire Tom Penn to be the full-time GM. I don't think he'd ever come here to work for a boob like Dolan but you never know. Money talks and this guy would be worth every penny I'm thinking...This is a bright young man that knows his stuff. I think we could use someone like this -- I think he might be the best guy available right now...I don't have much confidence in Steve Mills moving forward and H2O, who knows man -- I know he's being groomed for it but has he really learned from the right people up to this point? This organization is a complete mess.

franco12 @ 11/20/2013 12:48 PM
fire Woodson should be at the top of any list of turning this putrid season around.
y2zipper @ 11/20/2013 12:55 PM
Firing Woodson right now isn't the solution. You can't replace him with anybody significantly better that can do anything at this point.
TeamBall @ 11/20/2013 12:58 PM
y2zipper wrote:Firing Woodson right now isn't the solution. You can't replace him with anybody significantly better that can do anything at this point.

Not a huge Woodson fan but I 100% agree with this. I think the roster is a little too flawed for any coach.
Vmart @ 11/20/2013 1:07 PM
As soon as December 15th comes contact Cleveland and trade Melo to them for Bynum, Bennett and picks.
misterearl @ 11/20/2013 1:07 PM
1. Welcome back Tyson Chandler

2. Unfire Glen Grunwald.

3. Suspend JR Smith for conduct detrimental to building a team

4. Get Cole Aldrich in the rotation

5. Start Beno Udrih every night

6. Fine Carmelo $5000. For every turnover or missed open man. Give the money to Emoty Stocking Fund in time for Christmas.

Dagger @ 11/20/2013 1:10 PM
Vmart wrote:As soon as December 15th comes contact Cleveland and trade Melo to them for Bynum, Bennett and picks.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen regarding Melo

Vmart @ 11/20/2013 1:19 PM
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:As soon as December 15th comes contact Cleveland and trade Melo to them for Bynum, Bennett and picks.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen regarding Melo

It's only bad because you don't know what you are getting. They are trading last years number one pick, Bynum as fillers and a couple of number one picks in return. You don't know what Bennett will pan out to be. He might be as good or a little off what Melo is.

Rookie @ 11/20/2013 1:22 PM
does it really matter who brings the ball up in a ISO heavy offense? Between the Iso O and all the switching on D, I don't think I can watch much more. This team is so one dimensional on both ends of the court every team in the league has our number. One or two passes and they have a miss match or missed assignment.
Vmart @ 11/20/2013 1:24 PM
Rookie wrote:does it really matter who brings the ball up in a ISO heavy offense? Between the Iso O and all the switching on D, I don't think I can watch much more. This team is so one dimensional on both ends of the court every team in the league has our number. One or two passes and they have a miss match or missed assignment.

Last night I didn't even care if the won or lost, I sense an indifference creeping in myself and the fans.

Dagger @ 11/20/2013 1:33 PM
Vmart wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:As soon as December 15th comes contact Cleveland and trade Melo to them for Bynum, Bennett and picks.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen regarding Melo

It's only bad because you don't know what you are getting. They are trading last years number one pick, Bynum as fillers and a couple of number one picks in return. You don't know what Bennett will pan out to be. He might be as good or a little off what Melo is.

You don't trade a star player for uncertainty, and it's pretty clear Bynum is done. His knees are shot, it would be the equivalent of having amare for more years, he is the laughingstock of the league. Bennett has been awful, sure he can turn it around but he was a questionable number one pick to begin with in a very weak draft. There's nothing in his play that tells me he will be anywhere near melo in the nba. He's shooting 14%...If we're trading melo we need good players and draft picks not the clowns of the league.

Vmart @ 11/20/2013 1:41 PM
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:As soon as December 15th comes contact Cleveland and trade Melo to them for Bynum, Bennett and picks.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen regarding Melo

It's only bad because you don't know what you are getting. They are trading last years number one pick, Bynum as fillers and a couple of number one picks in return. You don't know what Bennett will pan out to be. He might be as good or a little off what Melo is.

You don't trade a star player for uncertainty, and it's pretty clear Bynum is done. His knees are shot, it would be the equivalent of having amare for more years, he is the laughingstock of the league. Bennett has been awful, sure he can turn it around but he was a questionable number one pick to begin with in a very weak draft. There's nothing in his play that tells me he will be anywhere near melo in the nba. He's shooting 14%...If we're trading melo we need good players and draft picks not the clowns of the league.

You throw that star word around to loosely. Let's leave it at a good player. I believe Bynum has a team option in his contract. Think about this Cavs would actually be doing the Knicks a huge favor and Knicks would be doing the same for them.

Dagger @ 11/20/2013 1:55 PM
Vmart wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:As soon as December 15th comes contact Cleveland and trade Melo to them for Bynum, Bennett and picks.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen regarding Melo

It's only bad because you don't know what you are getting. They are trading last years number one pick, Bynum as fillers and a couple of number one picks in return. You don't know what Bennett will pan out to be. He might be as good or a little off what Melo is.

You don't trade a star player for uncertainty, and it's pretty clear Bynum is done. His knees are shot, it would be the equivalent of having amare for more years, he is the laughingstock of the league. Bennett has been awful, sure he can turn it around but he was a questionable number one pick to begin with in a very weak draft. There's nothing in his play that tells me he will be anywhere near melo in the nba. He's shooting 14%...If we're trading melo we need good players and draft picks not the clowns of the league.

You throw that star word around to loosely. Let's leave it at a good player. I believe Bynum has a team option in his contract. Think about this Cavs would actually be doing the Knicks a huge favor and Knicks would be doing the same for them.

Whatever you want to call him the trade stinks for us. It's not one team helping out the other, it's the Knicks helping out the cavs twice by handing them melo to pair with Kyrie and taking Bynum's contract off their hands. Bynum is not an asset, he's a liability that was a good player but has a very little value around the league. Bennett's value is very low as well. If we are rebuilding why on earth would we want Bynum the cripple weighing us down, that's practically masochistic. The only thing we'd be getting back of any true value are first round picks in this deal, and they had better be high. This trade would be perfect for the Knicks in that it shows very little foresight and fails to use leverage, dolan's favorite type of trade.

Cartman718 @ 11/20/2013 2:01 PM
TeamBall wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Firing Woodson right now isn't the solution. You can't replace him with anybody significantly better that can do anything at this point.

Not a huge Woodson fan but I 100% agree with this. I think the roster is a little too flawed for any coach.

disagree completely. fire woodson and sit melo for a week to "rest" his shoulder and look at the results.

Vmart @ 11/20/2013 2:03 PM
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Dagger wrote:
Vmart wrote:As soon as December 15th comes contact Cleveland and trade Melo to them for Bynum, Bennett and picks.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen regarding Melo

It's only bad because you don't know what you are getting. They are trading last years number one pick, Bynum as fillers and a couple of number one picks in return. You don't know what Bennett will pan out to be. He might be as good or a little off what Melo is.

You don't trade a star player for uncertainty, and it's pretty clear Bynum is done. His knees are shot, it would be the equivalent of having amare for more years, he is the laughingstock of the league. Bennett has been awful, sure he can turn it around but he was a questionable number one pick to begin with in a very weak draft. There's nothing in his play that tells me he will be anywhere near melo in the nba. He's shooting 14%...If we're trading melo we need good players and draft picks not the clowns of the league.

You throw that star word around to loosely. Let's leave it at a good player. I believe Bynum has a team option in his contract. Think about this Cavs would actually be doing the Knicks a huge favor and Knicks would be doing the same for them.

Whatever you want to call him the trade stinks for us. It's not one team helping out the other, it's the Knicks helping out the cavs twice by handing them melo to pair with Kyrie and taking Bynum's contract off their hands. Bynum is not an asset, he's a liability that was a good player but has a very little value around the league. Bennett's value is very low as well. If we are rebuilding why on earth would we want Bynum the cripple weighing us down, that's practically masochistic. The only thing we'd be getting back of any true value are first round picks in this deal, and they had better be high. This trade would be perfect for the Knicks in that it shows very little foresight and fails to use leverage, dolan's favorite type of trade.

Your fixating on Bynum to much. Look at it this way you would be getting three first round picks including Bennett. A team option on Bynum who you can release. That creates more cap space to go with Amare, Chandler and Bargs coming off the books. You have created cap space with which to build. You get draft picks and free agents to build the Knicks back to glory.

NYKBocker @ 11/20/2013 2:13 PM
Blow it the fuck up!

Knicks trade Carmelo Anthony to Houston for Asik, Lin, TJones, C Parsons, G Smith

Houston gets their bonafide big 3 and we get a boatload of talent.

Knicks trade Bargs to Charlotte for Ben Gordon and 1st Rd Pick

Knicks trade Felton to Kings for Jimmer Fredette

misterearl @ 11/20/2013 2:17 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Blow it the fuck up!

Knicks trade Carmelo Anthony to Houston for Asik, Lin, TJones, C Parsons, G Smith

Houston gets their bonafide big 3 and we get a boatload of talent.

Knicks trade Bargs to Charlotte for Ben Gordon and 1st Rd Pick

Knicks trade Felton to Kings for Jimmer Fredette

How are the Knicks making trades with an owner who thinks this roster is good enough to win a title?

The GM who told Dolan the truth was fired.

Cartman718 @ 11/20/2013 2:29 PM
misterearl wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Blow it the fuck up!

Knicks trade Carmelo Anthony to Houston for Asik, Lin, TJones, C Parsons, G Smith

Houston gets their bonafide big 3 and we get a boatload of talent.

Knicks trade Bargs to Charlotte for Ben Gordon and 1st Rd Pick

Knicks trade Felton to Kings for Jimmer Fredette

How are the Knicks making trades with an owner who thinks this roster is good enough to win a title?

The GM who told Dolan the truth was fired.

are you being a realist now?...

djsunyc @ 11/20/2013 2:34 PM
at this point in the time, the only thing they can do is fire woodson and hope it works...
Rookie @ 11/20/2013 3:01 PM
djsunyc wrote:at this point in the time, the only thing they can do is fire woodson and hope it works...

Let the Herb Williams era officialy begin! Doubtful walker or Todd stay if Woodson is fired or *cough* retires

gunsnewing @ 11/20/2013 3:12 PM
One of Playas conspiracy theories that actually might be true is that Herb is a spy for Dolan. This explains why he survived every coaching change for over a decade
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