Was thinking about how we could possibly retool around Melo WITHOUT affecting our 2015 cap space and came up with these two moves:
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecke...
This program doesn't take into account trade exemptions that teams' have but I did the math and it should theoretically work. They deal is designed to free up roster spots and get a crappy 2014 2nd round pick from Golden State.
The Spurs have much more use for Pablo than we do, and I think there'd be legitimate interest there because of the Argentine connection with Manu, as well as the need for depth behind Tony Parker. They have similar depth issues at the 5, so I don't believe they'd have any qualms taking Cole Aldrich's contract. Meanwhile, Golden State needs a veteran at PG, which makes Beno worth the gamble.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecke...
The 2nd trade is designed to grab multiple expiring contracts (Andrew Bynum and Kris Humphries) to potentially swing more tangible deals for a disgruntled star, or better role players from a rebuilding team e.g. Aaron Afflalo, Jameer Nelson and Glen Davis (to be swapped for Brandon Bass) for our expirers and Iman. Presuming this happens, I hire Phil Jackson to coach home games (and mentor Woodson), while also giving him some front office job. I don't care for Jackson's antics but the fact that he gets ball hogs to trust their teammates (e.g. Kobe and MJ), could do a world of good for Melo and the team. With the shooters we'd have from ORL, I think that system would work exceptionally well here, even though we'd have to give it about a year.
STARTERS
Jameer Nelson...PG
Aaron Afflalo...SG
Marvin Williams...SF
Carmelo Anthony...PF
Tyson Chandler...C
ROTATION
Raymond Felton...PG
Tim Hardaway JR. ...SG
JR Smith...G/F
Brandon Bass...PF
Andrew Bynum...C
BENCH
Chris Smith...G (supressing gag reflex)
Toure Murry...G
Metta World Peace...F
Kenyon Martin...F/C
Jeremy Tyler...F/C
Coach: Phil Jackson (home), Mike Woodson (away)
This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I volunteer at a local facility for the mentally handicap and just built this team on 2K8, using a PS2 here. I dropped 102 points in 20 minutes against the championship Celtics; beat them by 53. Clearly, I'm onto something with this team, lol.....
I feel like I should volunteer somewhere, maybe with abandoned pets
IronWillGiroud wrote:I feel like I should volunteer somewhere, maybe with abandoned pets
LOL, that's my Saturdays. It's a Catch-22 though. Most of the dogs are cool but there are a few batshit crazy one's. If it wasn't for them and the fact that a good number of the dogs are euthanized, it'd be a great experience.
Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
We have no assets to trade and melo can walk end of year for nothing
BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
We have no assets to trade and melo can walk end of year for nothing
Obviously we would have to maximize our one trade asset that is shumpert. As for Melo, on the small chance he does leave we have our own 2015 draft choice and full space that summer. It could be a very fast rebuild. If he does stay, we have the same opportunity to put the right team around him using the remaining space. I am clearly in the minority, but after this season I really like where this team is at outside of having Dolan as owner which won't change. Only downfall is having no protection on this summers pick, but I think we will improve enough this season so that is a moot point. As long as the pick isn't a high lottery pick, I am not too concerned with it to be honest.
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Again we don't have the assets to materially change this team unless we trade Carmelo and chandler. There is a chance a few teams will see reasonable value in bargs but his contract is 12 mm per. My guess is shumperts value stands at a 2rd draft pick. After that it drops off the table
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Why aren't they realistic? They all involve people that are reportedly on the trading block and generally fulfill the documented needs of each team.
BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Again we don't have the assets to materially change this team unless we trade Carmelo and chandler. There is a chance a few teams will see reasonable value in bargs but his contract is 12 mm per. My guess is shumperts value stands at a 2rd draft pick. After that it drops off the table
The trade I purposed involved Bargnani and Jarrett Jack going to Houston, Asik and Lin going to Cleveland and Andrew Bynum going to NY. I don't buy Barg's hype but I think he is basically the same caliber of player as Asik, just in reverse (solid offense instead of defense, etc.).
NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I feel like I should volunteer somewhere, maybe with abandoned pets
LOL, that's my Saturdays. It's a Catch-22 though. Most of the dogs are cool but there are a few batshit crazy one's. If it wasn't for them and the fact that a good number of the dogs are euthanized, it'd be a great experience.
I think I'm really good with animals.
The trick is to treat them as animals!
How many hours do you spend at the animal place? I'm thinking something like dropping an hour or two every weekend.
IronWillGiroud wrote:NardDogNation wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:I feel like I should volunteer somewhere, maybe with abandoned pets
LOL, that's my Saturdays. It's a Catch-22 though. Most of the dogs are cool but there are a few batshit crazy one's. If it wasn't for them and the fact that a good number of the dogs are euthanized, it'd be a great experience.
I think I'm really good with animals.
The trick is to treat them as animals!
How many hours do you spend at the animal place? I'm thinking something like dropping an hour or two every weekend.
Usually 3-5 hours depending on what my week is looking like. I don't live in New York anymore but I'm pretty sure that the hours are as flexible as you want them to be.
NardDogNation wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Why aren't they realistic? They all involve people that are reportedly on the trading block and generally fulfill the documented needs of each team.
I say unrealistic not based on value, but the likelihood of made up complicated trades like that actually being executed.
BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Again we don't have the assets to materially change this team unless we trade Carmelo and chandler. There is a chance a few teams will see reasonable value in bargs but his contract is 12 mm per. My guess is shumperts value stands at a 2rd draft pick. After that it drops off the table
It's been reported that shump is well liked around the league. I'm sure we will get more than a 2nd rounder.
Knixkik wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Why aren't they realistic? They all involve people that are reportedly on the trading block and generally fulfill the documented needs of each team.
I say unrealistic not based on value, but the likelihood of made up complicated trades like that actually being executed.
It's big but it'd have to be considering how massive the contracts are. There are 3 actual trades that happened that are bigger than this one though, so it is possible.
NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Again we don't have the assets to materially change this team unless we trade Carmelo and chandler. There is a chance a few teams will see reasonable value in bargs but his contract is 12 mm per. My guess is shumperts value stands at a 2rd draft pick. After that it drops off the table
The trade I purposed involved Bargnani and Jarrett Jack going to Houston, Asik and Lin going to Cleveland and Andrew Bynum going to NY. I don't buy Barg's hype but I think he is basically the same caliber of player as Asik, just in reverse (solid offense instead of defense, etc.).
Bargs for broken down Bynum??
BRIGGS wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is the right idea. We need to get back to what worked last year and add shooters to compliment Melo without sacrificing cap space. Get him the right supporting cast because we know he's not getting traded. A player of his status has not been traded in a long time without forcing his way out.
I can't see what is being traded here but we are not getting affalo for an ending contract. Not even close
I agree, these specific trades aren't very realistic, I am just referring to the overall concept. A backcourt of guys like Nelson, afflalo, and a combo forward like Marvin Williams is the type of supporting cast that maximizes Melos effectiveness outside of adding another major star. Another guy I like is Isaiah Thomas from sac.
Again we don't have the assets to materially change this team unless we trade Carmelo and chandler. There is a chance a few teams will see reasonable value in bargs but his contract is 12 mm per. My guess is shumperts value stands at a 2rd draft pick. After that it drops off the table
The trade I purposed involved Bargnani and Jarrett Jack going to Houston, Asik and Lin going to Cleveland and Andrew Bynum going to NY. I don't buy Barg's hype but I think he is basically the same caliber of player as Asik, just in reverse (solid offense instead of defense, etc.).
Bargs for broken down Bynum??
Bynum's contract is only partially guaranteed and we could waive his $12 million/yr contract. The incentive for getting him would be to create more cap flexibility. Then again, I think Bynum could be a perfect backup in his limited minutes and actually fits a need for us (post scorer, rebounder, big post defender).
