Knicks · Prediction: Rondo in, Shumpert out (page 2)

Teams want Rondo because he is young and proven. It's not like Rondo relies on leaping ability to be an effective PG.

gunsnewing wrote:Maybe I just brought it up cos it's being discussed by the media and it makes sense that Melo is giving the Knicks an ultimatum

No issues with the prediction. I just dont think its going to happen.

I can see Shumpert being traded though. Our front court looks loaded.

We have the size to give Miami problem and the match ups to give Indiana problems.

Lets see Hibbert guard Bargnani on the perimeter.

gunsnewing wrote:Once Shumpert chewed out Melo the. Next day it came out that Melo won't stay for this. I think the Knicks had a talk with Shumpert to get him to play better and raise his trade value. It is Melos people putting pressure on the Knicks to do something now not in 2015

Shumpert is gone in 8 days

gunsnewing wrote:Stephen a smith reported that people in Mills Circle are saying that Melo is not staying for this as and not staying with the Knicks and will leave

That's what Hahn thinks at least

gunsnewing wrote:Oh you are right it might not happen til feb 28 trade deadline

Papabears Says

If Shump plays like an allstar it may not happen at all.

CrushAlot wrote:Shump/Amare for Rondo/Wallace works on the trade machine. If that deal is there the Knicks need to do it.

Sure, but there's more to a trade than just matching salaries. Unless Ainge suffered a brain injury recently he won't be making that trade.

Papabear wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Oh you are right it might not happen til feb 28 trade deadline

Papabears Says

If Shump plays like an allstar it may not happen at all.

There is a reason why Shump was dogging it. I believe he learned from Melo that's the only way to get the coaches attention.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Shump/Amare for Rondo/Wallace works on the trade machine. If that deal is there the Knicks need to do it.

Sure, but there's more to a trade than just matching salaries. Unless Ainge suffered a brain injury recently he won't be making that trade.

Not saying Jordan Crawford is better than Rondo, but look at what Crawford's doing with the young guys playing as the starting pg.Crawford is shooting 63.0 percent and averaging 23.5 points in the Celtics' consecutive wins.

Boston has committed to going with new blood for a new young coach.

playa2 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Shump/Amare for Rondo/Wallace works on the trade machine. If that deal is there the Knicks need to do it.

Sure, but there's more to a trade than just matching salaries. Unless Ainge suffered a brain injury recently he won't be making that trade.

Not saying Jordan Crawford is better than Rondo, but look at what Crawford's doing with the young guys playing as the starting pg.Crawford is shooting 63.0 percent and averaging 23.5 points in the Celtics' consecutive wins.

Boston has committed to going with new blood for a new young coach.

Even if Boston was in love with Jordan Crawford and were dead set on getting rid of Rondo they still wouldn't just give him away for practically nothing. They'd do what smart, well-run organisations do and gauge his value around the league and trade him for the best possible value. There are plenty of teams that would love to have Rondo and could put together a much better offer than Shump/Amare for Rondo/Gerald Wallace.

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Shump/Amare for Rondo/Wallace works on the trade machine. If that deal is there the Knicks need to do it.

Sure, but there's more to a trade than just matching salaries. Unless Ainge suffered a brain injury recently he won't be making that trade.

Not saying Jordan Crawford is better than Rondo, but look at what Crawford's doing with the young guys playing as the starting pg.Crawford is shooting 63.0 percent and averaging 23.5 points in the Celtics' consecutive wins.

Boston has committed to going with new blood for a new young coach.

Even if Boston was in love with Jordan Crawford and were dead set on getting rid of Rondo they still wouldn't just give him away for practically nothing. They'd do what smart, well-run organisations do and gauge his value around the league and trade him for the best possible value. There are plenty of teams that would love to have Rondo and could put together a much better offer than Shump/Amare for Rondo/Gerald Wallace.

Tell me what teams NEED Rondo, mind you I didn't say WANT Rondo. Most teams already have a good pg in the starting position. The Knicks are the ones who really need one.

First of all, we don't have the pieces. We have no picks to trade (you can't trade away back to back picks) and Shumpert is our only piece. Shumpert isn't even closing to being worth what Rondo is worth.

Almost anything else you throw in is a negative. For them to take Amar'e or Bargnani, you'd have to give up more. Felton wouldn't be a negative, but he's useless to a team that's rebuilding. Same with Chandler, although you wouldn't want to give up him in any trade.

It's not happening people. Especially when you consider that the last thing the C's want to do is help us. Move on. There's probably a good 20-25 teams with more to offer than Shumpert.

gunsnewing wrote:It's been weeks since I had a thought and posted it. Knicks are becoming relevant again. Soo the wheels start turning

Are you serious with this comment? They beat the Nets and Magic. Calm down.

Melonoma wrote:There is a ZERO chance we get Rondo. ZERO. Please let's stop talking about this. You'll be less disappointed in the end if you don't buy into unrealistic bs like this.

First of all, we don't have the pieces. We have no picks to trade (you can't trade away back to back picks) and Shumpert is our only piece. Shumpert isn't even closing to being worth what Rondo is worth.

Almost anything else you throw in is a negative. For them to take Amar'e or Bargnani, you'd have to give up more. Felton wouldn't be a negative, but he's useless to a team that's rebuilding. Same with Chandler, although you wouldn't want to give up him in any trade.

It's not happening people. Especially when you consider that the last thing the C's want to do is help us. Move on. There's probably a good 20-25 teams with more to offer than Shumpert.

Not me. I will only be happy if Shumpert is NOT traded. I'm hoping he rides out the storm while certain teammates around him exit

gunsnewing wrote:Once Shumpert chewed out Melo the. Next day it came out that Melo won't stay for this. I think the Knicks had a talk with Shumpert to get him to play better and raise his trade value. It is Melos people putting pressure on the Knicks to do something now not in 2015

Shumpert is gone in 8 days

if you think shumpert is gone because he chewed out a lazy carmelo, then wait till he gets a load of rondo....

Not sure how any of you expect rondo to get here...I don't care how much shumpert raises his value.

Melonoma wrote:There is a ZERO chance we get Rondo. ZERO. Please let's stop talking about this. You'll be less disappointed in the end if you don't buy into unrealistic bs like this.

First of all, we don't have the pieces. We have no picks to trade (you can't trade away back to back picks) and Shumpert is our only piece. Shumpert isn't even closing to being worth what Rondo is worth.

Almost anything else you throw in is a negative. For them to take Amar'e or Bargnani, you'd have to give up more. Felton wouldn't be a negative, but he's useless to a team that's rebuilding. Same with Chandler, although you wouldn't want to give up him in any trade.

It's not happening people. Especially when you consider that the last thing the C's want to do is help us. Move on. There's probably a good 20-25 teams with more to offer than Shumpert.

this is all loud but nonetheless weak hyperbole, no offense man.

shumpert, felton, thard jr, murry, 2018 1st, 2nd rounders, and a crapload of cap space CAN get it done.

the issue isn't really do we have enough. no one thought we "had enough" to get melo, until he made it clear he "wanted" NY.

if rondo publicly says he wants to play for the knicks and isn't going to resign in 2015, ainge has no choice but to take what he can get and say thanks for it as well.

we can absorb what few teams will be willing to. and stop with this "ainge won't help us" nonsense. he clearly had no problem "helping" the nets, who are another divisional rival.

if we take back bogans, Wallace, and lee, that saves them a BOATLOAD in salary, and avoids them losing rondo for nothing should he say he'll only sign an extension with Team A or Team B.

not to mention, rondo's not the guy whose going to sign on for tankin for 2 straight years. he'll become a malcontent.

so yea, I could see it being possible yea. my question is - IS HE EVEN HEALTHY?

hungerstrike wrote:

Melonoma wrote:There is a ZERO chance we get Rondo. ZERO. Please let's stop talking about this. You'll be less disappointed in the end if you don't buy into unrealistic bs like this.

First of all, we don't have the pieces. We have no picks to trade (you can't trade away back to back picks) and Shumpert is our only piece. Shumpert isn't even closing to being worth what Rondo is worth.

Almost anything else you throw in is a negative. For them to take Amar'e or Bargnani, you'd have to give up more. Felton wouldn't be a negative, but he's useless to a team that's rebuilding. Same with Chandler, although you wouldn't want to give up him in any trade.

It's not happening people. Especially when you consider that the last thing the C's want to do is help us. Move on. There's probably a good 20-25 teams with more to offer than Shumpert.

this is all hyperbole, no offense man.

shumpert, thard jr, murry, 2018 1st, 2nd rounders, and a crapload of cap space CAN get it done.

the issue isn't really do we have enough. no one thought we "had enough" to get melo, until he made it clear he "wanted" NY.

if rondo publicly says he wants to play for the knicks and isn't going to resign in 2015, ainge has no choice but to take what he can get and say thanks for it as well.

we can absorb what few teams will be willing to. and stop with this "ainge won't help us" nonsense. he clearly had no problem "helping" the nets, who are another divisional rival.

if we take back bogans, Wallace, and lee, that saves them a BOATLOAD in salary, and avoids them losing rondo for nothing should he say he'll only sign an extension with Team A or Team B.

not to mention, rondo's not the guy whose going to sign on for losing for 2 straight years. he'll become a malcontent.

so yea, I could see it being possible yea. my question is - IS HE EVEN HEALTHY?

There's no pressure for either team to make this deal, and I dont see Boston taking our offer even if rondo pulled a "melo".

They are rebuilding got a few piece there and a ton of draft picks coming up...they dont need our offer.

Ainge raped the Nets...those dudes are all done....he didnt help them at all.