Sad thing is we don't have a guard on Lin's level. No way he could maintain the crazy excitement of his Knicks days but he's a legit NBA PG! I wish we had him rather than Felton and Beno. Lin has better court vision than Felton.
Hmm, Morey has started following Milsap on Twitter. No idea if that means he's trading for him, but its just wrong and creepy to have your GM follow you on Twitter or any form of social media!
Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
it's called dealing from a position of strength.. the rockets are good. If asik plays they are good, if he doesn't play, they are still very good.. He is going to get close to what he wants. Believe that.
tkf wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
it's called dealing from a position of strength.. the rockets are good. If asik plays they are good, if he doesn't play, they are still very good.. He is going to get close to what he wants. Believe that.
Problem is they are paying him a lot of money to get no production out of him. If they can't find a deal for him, not sure how that will go over.
Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
djsunyc wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
Agreed, his contract really lowers his value.
Knixkik wrote:djsunyc wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
Agreed, his contract really lowers his value.
Good point, I forgot about the "poison pill" thing. I still consider him a good GM he is just now getting Karma for trying to steal players with a contract loophole.
Clean wrote:Knixkik wrote:djsunyc wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
Agreed, his contract really lowers his value.
Good point, I forgot about the "poison pill" thing. I still consider him a good GM he is just now getting Karma for trying to steal players with a contract loophole.
Yes he is a very good GM. But now he wants out of the 2 contracts that he did that with. He won't find great value for Lin either for the same reason.
djsunyc wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
A long standing criticism of Morey is that he wants to outright win every trade he makes, you could say that's not a bad thing, but it does mean he often doesn't make a trade when really he should. Asik's value isn't going to increase between now and the trade deadline- if anything it's going to decline.
smackeddog wrote:djsunyc wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
A long standing criticism of Morey is that he wants to outright win every trade he makes, you could say that's not a bad thing, but it does mean he often doesn't make a trade when really he should. Asik's value isn't going to increase between now and the trade deadline- if anything it's going to decline.
and asik's contract next year will still be $15 mil. he's hoping some team's big man gets hurt and they get desperate. he has no leverage here.
tkf wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
it's called dealing from a position of strength.. the rockets are good. If asik plays they are good, if he doesn't play, they are still very good.. He is going to get close to what he wants. Believe that.
It's called generating interest by creating buzz in the media. Teams are aware of how Morey operates and know what kind of player Asik is. Now, you say he has all the strength but I am sure other teams think the opposite. Houston has a disgruntle player on the bench who will make 8 million to do nothing and they want/need a real 4 to make them a complete super power. Maybe Morey wins in the end but what team really needs Asik?
yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
it's called dealing from a position of strength.. the rockets are good. If asik plays they are good, if he doesn't play, they are still very good.. He is going to get close to what he wants. Believe that.
It's called generating interest by creating buzz in the media. Teams are aware of how Morey operates and know what kind of player Asik is. Now, you say he has all the strength but I am sure other teams think the opposite. Houston has a disgruntle player on the bench who will make 8 million to do nothing and they want/need a real 4 to make them a complete super power. Maybe Morey wins in the end but what team really needs Asik?
I'm kinda surprised New Orleans hasn't gotten involved in the bidding. Not that I've heard anyway. They've been down Anthony Davis since we played them.
The Pelicans are a team I'd be interested in dealing with. Nothing big -- nice small trade to help both clubs. Cole Aldrich + cash for the rights to Pierre Jackson. Why pay a big price for Asik when Aldrich would come a lot cheaper? Cheaper salary cap player for next year too for a guy that could probably simulate what Asik does pretty closely if ever given the same amount of PT Asik has gotten when he produced.. Aldrich would be a much better shot-blocker too I feel... Aldrich can play. The kid needs the right situation -- a coach who believes in him and a team with a need for a 5-man (preferably a young team where he'd fit right in). He was a high-minute player in college and produced. And whenever he got a decent run in the pros, he produced as well...All I'd want back is a DL PG. Mills should be all over this right now. We should also offer Morey the same package for the rights to Isaiah Canaan. If Houston deals away Asik and doesn't bring back a center in return, Aldrich could be a nice low salary player to slot in there. He'd be a nice backup behind D-12..
Finestrg wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
it's called dealing from a position of strength.. the rockets are good. If asik plays they are good, if he doesn't play, they are still very good.. He is going to get close to what he wants. Believe that.
It's called generating interest by creating buzz in the media. Teams are aware of how Morey operates and know what kind of player Asik is. Now, you say he has all the strength but I am sure other teams think the opposite. Houston has a disgruntle player on the bench who will make 8 million to do nothing and they want/need a real 4 to make them a complete super power. Maybe Morey wins in the end but what team really needs Asik?
I'm kinda surprised New Orleans hasn't gotten involved in the bidding. Not that I've heard anyway. They've been down Anthony Davis since we played them.
The Pelicans are a team I'd be interested in dealing with. Nothing big -- nice small trade to help both clubs. Cole Aldrich + cash for the rights to Pierre Jackson. Why pay a big price for Asik when Aldrich would come a lot cheaper? Cheaper salary cap player for next year too for a guy that could probably simulate what Asik does pretty closely if ever given the same amount of PT Asik has gotten when he produced.. Aldrich would be a much better shot-blocker too I feel... Aldrich can play. The kid needs the right situation -- a coach who believes in him and a team with a need for a 5-man (preferably a young team where he'd fit right in). He was a high-minute player in college and produced. And whenever he got a decent run in the pros, he produced as well...All I'd want back is a DL PG. Mills should be all over this right now. We should also offer Morey the same package for the rights to Isaiah Canaan. If Houston deals away Asik and doesn't bring back a center in return, Aldrich could be a nice low salary player to slot in there. He'd be a nice backup behind D-12..
They already had Aldrich and traded him to Sac. I think you are undervaluing how good a defender Asik is. He a great help defender, man defender, and rim protector. The problem is most teams do not need him and young teams don't want to pay him money while they are rebuilding.
Teams are going to play chicken with Morey and see if he will budge in Feb when the real deadline ends.
Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
it's called dealing from a position of strength.. the rockets are good. If asik plays they are good, if he doesn't play, they are still very good.. He is going to get close to what he wants. Believe that.
Problem is they are paying him a lot of money to get no production out of him. If they can't find a deal for him, not sure how that will go over.
Are the Rockets over the cap?
smackeddog wrote:djsunyc wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
A long standing criticism of Morey is that he wants to outright win every trade he makes, you could say that's not a bad thing, but it does mean he often doesn't make a trade when really he should. Asik's value isn't going to increase between now and the trade deadline- if anything it's going to decline.
Yes he should be more like Dolan and try to lose every trade he makes 
djsunyc wrote:smackeddog wrote:djsunyc wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
not when it comes to asik.
he was wrong on his value, wrong on his contract value for next year and wrong on putting in some self imposed deadline to move him.
A long standing criticism of Morey is that he wants to outright win every trade he makes, you could say that's not a bad thing, but it does mean he often doesn't make a trade when really he should. Asik's value isn't going to increase between now and the trade deadline- if anything it's going to decline.
and asik's contract next year will still be $15 mil. he's hoping some team's big man gets hurt and they get desperate. he has no leverage here.
I keep repeating this but yes, a team (Rockets or otherwise) will have to pay him $15 mil however the cap hit is only $8 mil(due to the poison pill). So I can see a team desperate for inside help using that tidbit of info to rationalize a deal.
Finestrg wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:tkf wrote:Clean wrote:Looks like the Rockets stopped the trade talks because the offers were not good enough. Morey is a very smart GM. The Celtics deal was not very good for the Rockets.
it's called dealing from a position of strength.. the rockets are good. If asik plays they are good, if he doesn't play, they are still very good.. He is going to get close to what he wants. Believe that.
It's called generating interest by creating buzz in the media. Teams are aware of how Morey operates and know what kind of player Asik is. Now, you say he has all the strength but I am sure other teams think the opposite. Houston has a disgruntle player on the bench who will make 8 million to do nothing and they want/need a real 4 to make them a complete super power. Maybe Morey wins in the end but what team really needs Asik?
I'm kinda surprised New Orleans hasn't gotten involved in the bidding. Not that I've heard anyway. They've been down Anthony Davis since we played them.
The Pelicans are a team I'd be interested in dealing with. Nothing big -- nice small trade to help both clubs. Cole Aldrich + cash for the rights to Pierre Jackson. Why pay a big price for Asik when Aldrich would come a lot cheaper? Cheaper salary cap player for next year too for a guy that could probably simulate what Asik does pretty closely if ever given the same amount of PT Asik has gotten when he produced.. Aldrich would be a much better shot-blocker too I feel... Aldrich can play. The kid needs the right situation -- a coach who believes in him and a team with a need for a 5-man (preferably a young team where he'd fit right in). He was a high-minute player in college and produced. And whenever he got a decent run in the pros, he produced as well...All I'd want back is a DL PG. Mills should be all over this right now. We should also offer Morey the same package for the rights to Isaiah Canaan. If Houston deals away Asik and doesn't bring back a center in return, Aldrich could be a nice low salary player to slot in there. He'd be a nice backup behind D-12..
I think you're seriously overvaluing Aldrich. This is a guy who was a FA camp invite that any other of the teams could have scooped up for nothing this summer and passed. Now, I know the deals you are proposing are for d league type prospects but the key word is "prospect". Both P Jackson and Canaan have some upside. It may be modest or questionable, but there is upside. Aldrich at this point I don't believe has any upside at all. What you see is what you get and I'm not convinced he'd produce if given more minutes. He's played on a lot of teams for a not insignificant amount of years in the league and hasn't stuck for a reason. 7 footers with even just one very good skill always stick in he NBA. Aldrich has never proven to be anything more than a 14th man. It's just the reality. No team will trade for him for any other reason than making salaries match as a throw in in a deal.
I think several folks here are overvaluing Aldrich - no one wanted him. He hasn't really done anything in this league. With Chandler down, he had 6 weeks opportunity to secure big minutes and didn't. He hasn't looked all that impressive to me at any point in a Knicks uniform. If both were available, I'd have taken Josh Harrelson over him (JH wasn't). This guy is a stiff. If he were more competent he should have been in the game as a defense replacement for Bargnani in Washington.
Chris Dudley would run circles around him.
Asik is a pretty good player - he looked competent on the floor last season over extended run. His numbers were perhaps worth of top-5 status at the center position! I was going to say I remember watching him in the playoffs and wondering why Houston would seek out Howard - but Jerome James kicked some Duncan butt in a playoff series and look what it got him.)
technomaster wrote:I think several folks here are overvaluing Aldrich - no one wanted him. He hasn't really done anything in this league. With Chandler down, he had 6 weeks opportunity to secure big minutes and didn't. He hasn't looked all that impressive to me at any point in a Knicks uniform. If both were available, I'd have taken Josh Harrelson over him (JH wasn't). This guy is a stiff. If he were more competent he should have been in the game as a defense replacement for Bargnani in Washington.Chris Dudley would run circles around him.
Asik is a pretty good player - he looked competent on the floor last season over extended run. His numbers were perhaps worth of top-5 status at the center position! I was going to say I remember watching him in the playoffs and wondering why Houston would seek out Howard - but Jerome James kicked some Duncan butt in a playoff series and look what it got him.)
Most guys that are the 12th through 15th man are overvalued on the Knicks. Unfortunately with the Knicks health, cap and age issues every year guys at the end of the bench have to play. It is a credit to the previous gm that the guys at the end of the bench proved talented enough to be rotation players on some teams. That doesn't translate to every guy. It might not translate to Murry and it might not translate to Aldrich. The guys that are the last guys to make it on a team generally aren't being played because the coach is a hard @ss. Usually it is because they aren't that good.
"Sad thing is we don't have a guard on Lin's level."
I tend to think that McHale will end up regretting letting go of Lin. Yup, I understand he's a little overpaid. And, I also see that he's not the best backcourt mate for Harden. However, he's shown that he's a solid all-round PG, even if he's not quite right for McHale's various schemes. From what I've seen, he deserves to start but even given that he's not a perfect fit in Houston, I fail to see why they wouldn't want him on the bench. I'm not sure GS has the assets to pick him up but he would be a serious improvement over Douglas and Bazemore. He might fit on the SA bench. And so on. He's not a top PG but he's a good PG and on the right team, starting or bench, he should contribute.
As for Asik . . . I guess I hope for Asik's sake that he doesn't end up on the Knicks. He did seem to be coming along last year but his lack of an offensive game means he needs to be on a team with a front court that complements his skills. I can't see Woodson making good use of him.
