Knicks · Like Melo, Harden needs to learn how to play off the ball at times, despite his score ability (page 2)

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think our record would improve with Lin over Melo this year. Better ball movement, collapsing defenses, wide open threes for set shooters, players feeling involved on offense performing better on defense.

We already have wide open shooters. Problem is brick city from all of them! The defense doesn't challenge any of our shooters so it's impossible to get higher percentage looks near the basket. Our biggest defensive problem is at the point. Lin is a very weak defender. Not sure he'd help us there either.

Melo is averaging 6.8 assist opportunities per game. His teammates are shooting 42.6 % when he sets them up.

http://pic.twitter.com/StHWa0j1fW

CrushAlot wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think our record would improve with Lin over Melo this year. Better ball movement, collapsing defenses, wide open threes for set shooters, players feeling involved on offense performing better on defense.

We already have wide open shooters. Problem is brick city from all of them! The defense doesn't challenge any of our shooters so it's impossible to get higher percentage looks near the basket. Our biggest defensive problem is at the point. Lin is a very weak defender. Not sure he'd help us there either.

Melo is averaging 6.8 assist opportunities per game. His teammates are shooting 42.6 % when he sets them up.

http://pic.twitter.com/StHWa0j1fW

That means nothing. If you look at the bigger picture... Actually that may or may not be that good without any comparison to go on. I bet other top guys have a higher assist opp. I do wonder the fg% of their teammates though. Also, does assist opp. include hockey ast. because I imagine JR and other assist are high sometimes because of them making a simple swing pass?

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How much do getting calls aide in keeping your FG% high? I reposted someone else's post where last year Melo attack the rim more than couple top players but had a lower FT rate and that was not accounting for all the fast break points the others had.

Harden has a gift at being able to draw fouls when he flails his arms and Melo has a gift for his headband being knocked sideways or completely off and still not get a call.

Sidenote: I ball up my fist every time I see JR do his Harden impersonation. He doesn't get that call and it leads to stupid turnovers.

Anyway: Melo's # this month.

December 39.5 9.4-19.5(FGA) .479(FG%) 1.8-4.3 .426 (3FG%) 6.0-6.7 .892 (FT%) 7.7 (REBS) 3.3 (AST) 1.0 (BLK)

1.1 (STL) 2.5 (PF) 1.8 (TO) 26.5 (PTS)

If Woodson doesn't run him into the ground and he keeps that up I do not think people will have as much of a problem with him. The guy is passing out of
doubles for the most part and swing the ball. The only one who really posts up Amar'e and even gave it to Tyson in the post. LOL. I don not like the late game play at times and the second half versus Milwaukee though.

How do you factor in all the non-call offensive fouls by Melo?
The bottom line is you can't analyze a player's performance by looking at anything other than what is called.

How do you factor in the non calls on O-Fouls for Harden? He generates contact. I am not really mad at that either. He and Duran have a gift. I don't know what else to call it. I just wonder what would happen if after a few more years some of those whistles don't ring. Maybe they always come but if they stop what will happen? One thing I would like to see from Harden is those 3pt attempts go down while he is slumping.

Harden doesn't have any patented offensive foul no-call moves like Melo does though. He doesn't commit overlooked offensive fouls tons of times like Melo does.

I disagree. He gets his shoulder into the defender then flails his arms. Look more closely. Someone who is really good at initiating contact is Lance Stevenson. He is starting to climb that list of favorable officiating.

You know i actually think he needs to play more with the ball but the minutes he is getting that would be cruel. He still needs to up opportunities as a PNR ball handler.

yellowboy90 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think our record would improve with Lin over Melo this year. Better ball movement, collapsing defenses, wide open threes for set shooters, players feeling involved on offense performing better on defense.

We already have wide open shooters. Problem is brick city from all of them! The defense doesn't challenge any of our shooters so it's impossible to get higher percentage looks near the basket. Our biggest defensive problem is at the point. Lin is a very weak defender. Not sure he'd help us there either.

Melo is averaging 6.8 assist opportunities per game. His teammates are shooting 42.6 % when he sets them up.

http://pic.twitter.com/StHWa0j1fW

That means nothing. If you look at the bigger picture... Actually that may or may not be that good without any comparison to go on. I bet other top guys have a higher assist opp. I do wonder the fg% of their teammates though. Also, does assist opp. include hockey ast. because I imagine JR and other assist are high sometimes because of them making a simple swing pass?

Actually, the 42.6 does mean very little if my understanding is correct. The league average is in the .440s. So that means Melo's teammates are missing about 1 more shot per 50 attempts than the rest of the league is missing. According to these stats, it would take Melo about seven games to tally 50 assist opportunities. So Melo is probably missing out on 1 assist every 7 games, or a little over 0.1 assists per game.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think our record would improve with Lin over Melo this year. Better ball movement, collapsing defenses, wide open threes for set shooters, players feeling involved on offense performing better on defense.

We already have wide open shooters. Problem is brick city from all of them! The defense doesn't challenge any of our shooters so it's impossible to get higher percentage looks near the basket. Our biggest defensive problem is at the point. Lin is a very weak defender. Not sure he'd help us there either.

Melo is averaging 6.8 assist opportunities per game. His teammates are shooting 42.6 % when he sets them up.

http://pic.twitter.com/StHWa0j1fW

That means nothing. If you look at the bigger picture... Actually that may or may not be that good without any comparison to go on. I bet other top guys have a higher assist opp. I do wonder the fg% of their teammates though. Also, does assist opp. include hockey ast. because I imagine JR and other assist are high sometimes because of them making a simple swing pass?

Actually, the 42.6 does mean very little if my understanding is correct. The league average is in the .440s. So that means Melo's teammates are missing about 1 more shot per 50 attempts than the rest of the league is missing. According to these stats, it would take Melo about seven games to tally 50 assist opportunities. So Melo is probably missing out on 1 assist every 7 games, or a little over 0.1 assists per game.

League avg is 45% I believe.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think our record would improve with Lin over Melo this year. Better ball movement, collapsing defenses, wide open threes for set shooters, players feeling involved on offense performing better on defense.

We already have wide open shooters. Problem is brick city from all of them! The defense doesn't challenge any of our shooters so it's impossible to get higher percentage looks near the basket. Our biggest defensive problem is at the point. Lin is a very weak defender. Not sure he'd help us there either.

Melo is averaging 6.8 assist opportunities per game. His teammates are shooting 42.6 % when he sets them up.

http://pic.twitter.com/StHWa0j1fW

That means nothing. If you look at the bigger picture... Actually that may or may not be that good without any comparison to go on. I bet other top guys have a higher assist opp. I do wonder the fg% of their teammates though. Also, does assist opp. include hockey ast. because I imagine JR and other assist are high sometimes because of them making a simple swing pass?

Actually, the 42.6 does mean very little if my understanding is correct. The league average is in the .440s. So that means Melo's teammates are missing about 1 more shot per 50 attempts than the rest of the league is missing. According to these stats, it would take Melo about seven games to tally 50 assist opportunities. So Melo is probably missing out on 1 assist every 7 games, or a little over 0.1 assists per game.

League avg is 45% I believe.

Yeah, so it's probably going to make a difference of around 0.1 assists a game - maybe 0.2 at most.